>the US is closer to the socialist end of the spectrum than it is to having free, competitive markets.
>This really started to accelerate in the early 1900s.
This is true. And almost entire Europe is more socialist than it was 100 years ago.
The federal reserve (central bank) creation in the US has also basically started 2 world wars, the entire state of Israel, the expansionist empire and all it's horrible consequences.
A capitalist libertarian Ron Paul has spent his entire life fighting the most socialist, authoritarian creation in history of mankind (the federal reserve)
>capitalism is when markets
Lol lmao, the natural tendency of capitalism to monopolize has been predicted by communist writers such as Lenin and Marx 100 yeara ago. Maybe open a fucking book?
>>2556929>auth-leftistsOxymoron
>>2556931monopolies form when the state rigs the market for their buddies
that’s not capitalism, that’s corporatism, exactly what Marxist “solutions” make even worse
the Fed literally is your planned economy
>>2556934The private police can arrest me but my taxpayer money can't fund a genocide in Gaza
>>2556933Fed is privately owned by private banks. There is nothing more libertarian than the FED.
>>2556929Argue against incoherent madmen? Honestly I usually just let this sort of person crash out publicly and laugh at them.
>>2556938We would have private armies doing private genocides of people not paying their amazon subscriptions. You may not like it but thats what true freedom looks like.
>>2556936“privately owned” the same way your DMV “customer service” is private
the Fed’s power comes from the state’s monopoly on currency and law, not a free market
libertarianism means competition in money too, not a cartel with legal tender laws and government backing
>>2556939that’s not how free societies work, anon
people in a voluntary system don’t start “private genocides” because there’s no state propaganda machine pumping nationalism and hate into them
the state creates that mindset, flags, armies, “us vs them”
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>>2556933>monopolies form when the state rigs the market for their buddiesYou are confusing state-backed monopolies (which most prominently existed under Dirigisme) with natural monopolies forming under a "free" market with no regulations. The tendency for monopolies to develope has been the main reason why basically any country has introduced regulations to prevent this. Your arguing for a thing that never existed and never will. The closest example for a "free" market would be 90s Russia unironically and maybe Haiti.
>>2556943“natural monopolies” are just what happens when the state picks winners, kills competition with regulation, and calls it the market
90s Russia wasn’t free market, it was a kleptocracy born out of IMF “shock therapy” and state asset grabs, literal cronyism
real capitalism never got a fair shot because governments can’t resist meddling and printing
the Fed, central planning, subsidies, that’s the monopoly engine
>>2556941>statist propagandaBad
>private mcdonalds genocide evil homeless people commercialsYes this is true freedom!
>natural monopolies” are just what happens when the state picks winners, kills competition with regulation, and calls it the market
Why would a state care if there are winners and losers in a market? Literally most states today accept it as a fact, however at the same time they create a framework where lower level competition can exist via either regulations or subsidies. Most businesses wouldnt survive without the state in the first place because they simple have not the scale or resources to compete. Neoliberalism atleast can recognize that fact which is why most Ancaps basically end up as them whenever they might come in power or start thinking about it for more than 2 second.
>90s Russia wasn’t free market, it was a kleptocracy born out of IMF “shock therapy” and state asset grabs, literal cronyism
Aka the free market. Thats how it works, you got the money, you get the goods. You don't like that?
>real capitalism never got a fair shot because governments can’t resist meddling and printing
the Fed, central planning, subsidies, that’s the monopoly engine
<Real capitalism has never been tried
Yeah, I wonder why a system only depending on buyers and sellers without managing to keeping its workers alive hasn't been "tried" (hint: they did and regulations soon followed lol).
This is embarassing.
>>2556951Forgot to mention: Those regulations existed besides the early workers rights movements and philanthropy and then later the welfare state. Not to hard to understand why these came to be in the first place.
Someone go get the bears
>>2556945All porkies are big fans of the free market until they lose. Just look at what happened with Mercado Libre in Argentina with Shein and Temu. Marcos Galperin and Juan Martín de la Serna were staunch defenders of Javier Milei's anarcho-capitalist government and called for the liberalization of trade until they couldn't compete with Chinese companies and cried to the daddy state to regulate (for their benefit, of course). Big and small business owners benefit from state-protected markets, and then they mature, become powerful and rich, and then they call for “free trade” and privatization. It's the same old story. China understands this, and that's why the concept of Birdcage economics exists.
Makes you wonder why ancaps care so much about taxes and big corp regulation. Its the ideology of corporate lobbyists and their useful idiots.
>>2556929>lolbert arguing from a vibes-based definition of capitalism while making the dreamworks facelike clockwork
>>2556933>it’s not capitalism when it does things I don’t like>it’s muh corporatismlolberts invented a whole separate word for when a system of market-dependence they cheerlead politically goes south in the most predictable way possible so they can deny any complicity
>inb4 NOOO CAPITALISM IS WHEN MUH UNREGULATED EXCHANGEThen by definition Chinese feudalism in 1500 is capitalism, unregulated commerce existed in the Yangtze delta. The libertarian definitions of capitalism and socialism are unserious and vibes-based bullshit
Your argument is based on dumb, vibes-based definitions, try again.
Haha, libertarians are so god damn stupid.
Yeah,guys,i felt for it too before
>>2556929Capitalism isn’t synonymous with the petit bourgeois obsession with “free competition” that befits the position of the petit bourgeois but not big capital
Competition is also not somehow gone just because petit bourgeois maggots have lost, competition doesn’t mean the petit bourgeois must win lmao, it just rises to a higher level of competition between capitalist states and blocs of associated capitalist national states
Libertarianism is a failed ideology because it pretends that the petit bourgeois actually matter
>>2556945>The petit bourgeois rodent genuinely believes that big gubmint is why he can’t compete with Shell in oil production What a retarded class so utterly deserving of annihilation
>>2556929Uh… yeah? Countries get rich when the state does things.
https://youtu.be/zL7klttTsnY?si=LpHSmAX4mqT-gWhZ >>2556929Modes of production have a tendency to build up contradictions between the productive forces and the relations of production until they must break.
What you are noticing with imperialism and military Keynesianism is the contradiction between industrial capital and the tendency of finance capital to form monetary hoards and drive up unemployment. Blaming it all on the bankers obscures the issue of the needs of the industrialists to keep pumping out goods. The same contradiction which drove the reaction of Nazi Germany also drove the historically progressive American Civil War. Northern industrialists knew that Southern slave labor would be unable to produce in bulk the raw resources they needed because slave labor is incompatible with advanced machinery as slaves are liable to sabotaging machinery and are not trained as skilled workers.
Honestly, I really recommend Sohn-Rethel's "Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism" and Baran and Sweezy's "Monopoly Capital" for resources on these issues.
>>2556938There are plenty of private corporations giving money to Israel and plenty of private weapons manufacturers
>>2556938Least naive libertarian gold prize winner
>>2556938In a real (thing that isn’t real, never has been, and never will be). touch grass
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