/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2557753
Because China the richest "AES" isn't funding any counter propaganda in the information war so all you're left with is poor NGOs and disorganized grassroot nobodies that will achieve nothing in their lifetime >>2554839

>>2557756
So your theory is that the reason people tend to fall into right-wing pipelines is due to the lack of propaganda being produced or funded by socialist/actual-leftist movements and countries?

That could make sense, can you explain why right-wing memes and culture tend to spread like wildfire? It seems to me like its because propaganda and skewed public-education make that sort of content more familiar to those susceptible.

>>2557753
>My theory is that right-wing politics provide short, simple answers to complicated issues.
I find it helpful to think about what the right *is*, as a more or less normal or "natural" expression of contradictions in modern societies. Well, I think mainly its essence is to affirm existing conditions (which are currently existing facts that shape our social order) or else a desire to revert to a state which was once an accomplished fact. One of the big advantages for the right is that it has the weight of historical inertia on its side. But they're willing to play with whatever allows them to dominate the immediate situation because that's principally what they're after. The left plays a fundamentally different role in history which, for most of the time, leaves the left to be in a minority position, but which nevertheless is in embryo the TNT that will blow away all of that ossified institutions, doctrines, customs, and habits sooner or later. It's just what it is.

>>2557774
Before I continue I genuinely have to know if your "Gay Nazi" badge is a joke or genuine

>>2557775
He's a real Gay Nazi. I attest to it.

>>2557777
quads of trvth

>>2557756
It's more that right-wing ideology is inherently more attractive than leftism because its foundation is aesthetics and spiritualism and tribalism, of course it's far easier for, say, an unhappy young male teenager to go down a right wing pipeline telling them about the superior race, esotericism, cool edits of Nazis marching and shit than a left-wing materialist pipeline full of dry theory. I mean, we could make edits of Soviets marching, but having a focus on aesthetics and glorifying war is kind of against the ideology.

>>2557775
I think I started using it troll a Duginist guy who used a Eurasian flag and considered himself to be in a global war with fascist homosexuals, but also /pol/yps who'd come in and make racist Nazi threads, and I'd play with that to make them uncomfortable (I don't know if this ever worked) in the hope of running them out of here.

But now I think of it like using contradiction as a tool for revealing underlying ideology, projection, or anxiety. It's your own interpretation and reaction or unconscious allegience and cultural conditioning that I'm after.

>>2557753
it's also that the media is owned by minority rule capitalists that blast these lies out as a survival strategy.

Also "stiob" art:
https://medium.com/the-pitch-of-discontent/would-you-like-to-know-more-satire-american-stiob-and-starship-troopers-746ec0440fa1
Think that ^

BTW the weird role of gays in 21st century right-wing politics is a subject I'm interested in. I don't like the sort of left-liberal politics of celebrating gays in the way that everyone finds annoying. You know what I'm talking about. I'm supposed to be really thrilled by Pete Buttigieg here in the United States. Yeah, right. But there's this reaction to that which is always to double down and support a really creepy group of right-wing gay guys like Peter Thiel. I find that ironic and strange and bizarre. There's actually a bunch of them who work for Trump. Believe me when the Eurasian flag anon and these ACP people all voted for those guys.

>>2557753
It's funded by billionaires and blasted on mainstream media

>>2557762
They flood the airwaves with it, they use bots, and algorithms literally are biased towards showing it. It's not organic so we can't ask as if it's just organically more popular, even if that could also be true in a different world. You can't decouple it from the reality of huge money interests and social media platforms pushing it

>>2557793
hey gay nazi poster whats your take on douglas murray? how would you classify him as a right wing gay in politics?

>>2557753
A lot of right-wing propaganda is demand lead. Stupid, low-openness, low-social-trust people prone to negative sum thinking like to have their stupid, low-openness, low-social-trust, zero-sum prejudices confirmed. It's not just that they're stupid and gullible, it's that you're starting with an inbuilt advantage. If you hate new things, think other people are naturally evil, that the world is naturally hierarchical (even if you find yourself a total loser in that hierarchy), etc, it's very easy for right-wing propaganda to work on you and much harder for left-wing propaganda to work.

The real decisive tiebreaker here is economics. Every economist agrees that, outside a tiny range of circumstances, tariffs are the most retarded thing in the world. Pre-Trump, a good chunk of right-wingers with more of a libertarian influence would agree. It is, quite literally, basic economics.
Well, the most prominent right-wing politician in the world has a tariff fetish, so what do right-wingers do? Defend tariffs. Defend tariffs in actively retarded ways. (Have you ever considered that maybe it's good to make everyone poorer?)
For all the money a chunk of neoliberal inclined people have thrown at economic propaganda, which has been broadly successful when it comes to taxation and nationalisation (which are "pro-social"/high trust ideas), it all went totally down the drain on tariffs. "I don't like foreigners and think we should stick to our own, the world is zero-sum and if they're winning we must be losing" as a stupid, ape-brained prejudice proved more powerful than all the money in the world.

It should, however, be said that "non-left-wing" left wing propaganda has been very successful. The average young person is incredibly socially liberal and the cultural norms of socially liberal communities (say, "the LGBT community") are overtly socialist, often communist sympathetic. The right are a loud minority of young people propped up by middle aged and old people.

From my observations, left wingers just gave up on trying to reach the people.

>>2557753
It's way easier to be right wing than left wing if you're serious about maximalist extremism and the philosophical side of things.
See: The 'best and brightest' far right philosophers are usually total morons relegated to their twitter echo chambers (i.e. people like Psikey or Bronze age pervert, etc.). The only intelligent rightoid thinker who is alive today is probably Nick Land, but even then, he's running off the tailed fumes of his previously better self, prior to the excessive drug consumption.

>>2557856
Rightist thinking essentially boils down to a maximalist, ad-hoc masturbation session bent on justifying the most ape-like modes of thinking, but even that's an insult to apes, as this assumes a kind of naturalistic reductionism down to some kind of array of 'base impulses', which is itself an implicit concession to the eugenicist framework. In actuality, human history shows a different story, but the point is that what is essentially 'base' is extant relative to the superstructure of a given symbolic order, so the logos with which a person is predisposed to identify with is bound to be far lower viscosity insofar as it pertains to and comports with the dominant source of influence which constitutes the popular hegemony, which as it happens is obviously reactionary.

>>2557858
And to give an idea of how predictable and formulaic rightoid minds are, in response to this post their first 'intellectual retort' would probably be something akin to 'well, if these reactionary strains are so dominant and so readily received, then that must reflect naturalistic viability. You're just being a cynical contrarian against an impetus which has already concretely proven itself!' or some shit like that.

Algorithm sites have interests in having a right wing, unthinking userbase that will just get in debates over boilerplate shit forever without coming up with anything semantically novel.

Whereas the only real left-wing pipeline that algorithm sites allow to exist is FOSS stuff because they neutralize it with lolberts. If you make it to open source social media like activitypub then you start going leftward. Otherwise you just have "anti-woke." aka safe edgy, demsoc debate streamers and video essayists to quell people's yearning to move leftward by funneling them into twitter or being fed twitter secondhand by a streamer/video essayist forever.

The #1 most effective way to establish an efficient left wing pipeline is to create a pipeline out of the core web first, then just speak about left wing stuff on the normal web.