Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation work. Marxist humanists can't admit that because they keep putting "the human" at the center of everything instead of looking at the material setup that creates it.
>>2561611>Marxist humanists*garbage truck noises*
>>2561617I think OP is pointing out the contradiction of that combination, not advocating for it.
It goes deeper than just wage labor and capitalism, it's just pure mathematics, the numeric cost of huge monolithic social structures.
When you're in a city with millions of people all packed together on buses and subways and elevators and huge noisy crowds of strangers everywhere you look, you feel just as alienated and alone as if you were just sitting in a room by yourself, because there's no connection between you and all these random strangers, you don't know them and you could never know them, there's just too many of them. They're not even really people to you, they're just noise.
Likewise, your own existence and identity also seem to fade away from existence as you live and work in this environment where you just sort of get lost in the shuffle and become part of a giant machine. Your life becomes less valuable, less important, less meaningful. You become less human, it's sort of like monetary inflation when there's so many dollars being printed that they're not even worth a shit anymore.
>>2561705>reducing communism to interclassist sociologyyoure doing the same dumb shit OP is critiquing and even worse lol
>>2561718Words have context. "Alienation" has several meanings and I for one think
>>2561705 articulated one of them splendidly.
>>2561621Yes, my post is supportive.
>>2561611>Alienation is not some fucking moral crisis of humanity it's literally just how wage labor and capital accumulation workhave you seen Bresson's tragic donkey movie?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Au_hasard_Balthazarliberals have nothing but contempt for people who care about the exploitation of their slave laborers whose moral crisis makes them scoff and sneer:
<Ingmar Bergman said, "this Balthazar, I didn't understand a word of it, it was so completely boring … A donkey, to me, is completely uninteresting, but a human being is always interesting.""I am only interested in stories by my fellow naval-gazing petite bourgeois degenerates like Kevin Spacey in American Beauty" (an Epstein type guy btw)
>>2561780>do you think aliens gets humanation? is there dialectical materialism on other planets?how about aliens on your own?
>"The film's religious imagery, spiritual allegories and naturalistic, minimalist aesthetic style have since been widely praised by reviewers. In 2005, James Quandt referred to it as a "brief, elliptical tale about the life and death of a donkey" that has "exquisite renderings of pain and abasement" and "compendiums of cruelty" that tell a powerful spiritual message. In 2003, J. Hoberman stated, "Robert Bresson's heart-breaking and magnificent Au Hasard Balthazar (1966) – the story of a donkey's life and death in rural France – is the supreme masterpiece by one of the greatest of 20th-century filmmakers." Manohla Dargis views Au hasard Balthazar as "one of the greatest films in history", writing that it "stirs the heart and soul as much as the mind." Roger Ebert argued, "The genius of Bresson's approach is that he never gives us a single moment that could be described as one of Balthazar's 'reaction shots.' Other movie animals may roll their eyes or stomp their hooves, but Balthazar simply walks or waits, regarding everything with the clarity of a donkey who knows he is a beast of burden, and that his life consists of either bearing or not bearing […] This is the cinema of empathy.">"Ignatiy Vishnevetsky similarly commented, "Bresson never attempts to humanize Balthazar. […] What Balthazar experiences of human nature is both pure and limited: the embrace of a lonely young woman, the unprovoked attack of an angry young man, and the work of the farms whose owners worry over money. He is only a donkey, and therefore something much more." Ebert also credits Bresson's ascetic approach to actors for much of the work's emotional power, writing, "The actors portray lives without informing us how to feel about them; forced to decide for ourselves how to feel, forced to empathize, we often have stronger feelings than if the actors were feeling them for us." >>2561611How will socialism solve alienation? As usually described it sounds like a problem with mass industrial society. You're still gonna work at a factory/mine/office and not control your product. That's up to party apparatchiks. Even they wouldn't really be in control. Like Ellul says, in industrial society no one is really responsible. Everyone just has their own little job to do and beyond that it's a giant machine.