So, in addition to the contingent of people who think that Native Americans don’t exist anymore and were all genocided (which ironically is US government propaganda to justify its continued settler-colonial occupation of indigenous land), there also seems to be a contingent of people who thinks that all people in the US regardless of race, *even Native Americans*, are irredeemable and unrevolutionary and should even be killed, such as the posts I’ve circled in the two screenshots I attached. While I could completely get behind white people in the US either leaving to Europe or being killed or should just be killed in general when revolution comes, (and I say this as a white settler myself), and that even manyBlack people in the US still contribute to US imperialism, how on earth could you have this little intellectual curiosity and empathy for the plight of indigenous peoples in the so-called US. I mean come on, thousands of completely unique languages foodways, ways of music and art, and beautiful people were and are continuing to be destroyed for the sake of building the most horrible and destructive empire on the history of earth, and instead of having empathy for those whose lands it is built on, you say you want to continue said evil empire’s genocide all while claiming to oppose said evil empire, just because a small comprador class of Native Americans aligns with US imperialism. I mean even if you don’t care about the people themselves, which you should, shouldn’t you care for the sake of intellectualism about thousands of distinct languages and cultures?
Also, something weird I’ve been noticing is that people say that Hawaii, Guam, and Puerto Rico should be freed from the US, but they never say that native peoples with in the lower 48 states and Alaska should be freed, which just naturalizes the US empire’s occupation of indigenous land.
Idk, it just seems like from online discourse both on and off of /leftypol/, that 95+ percent of leftists outside of the US think that all Native Americans are extinct, or think that they’re horrible and unrevolutionary. NonAmericanBros, especially GlobalSouthBros, please tell me you don’t think this. Please tell me you have love and solidarity for your fellow oppressed people, while also being able to criticize them while they are reactionary in a healthy way without writing them off as a whole. I’m not trying to smear every Non-USian leftist, and I know it’s probably just me being emotionally disreputable and that it isn’t actually true, but I still want some reassurance anyway.
Signed, an anon who just wants a better tomorrow
Also, I’m posting from my phone because my computer is broken
Also, I meant to type “emotionally disregulated” at the end, not “emotionally disreputable”
>>2562173There are varying levels of ThirdWorldists but this specific breed is like 1 poster on this board I think
>>2562173It's literally just one asshole on /USA/pol
>>2562176>>2562177Ok sure, maybe, but the amount of people who either think Native Americans are entirely extinct, or claim that Hawaii, Puerto Rico, etc. should be freed while implicitly implying that the US’s occupation of indigenous land in the lower 48 states and Alaska, are both way, way, way higher and more ubiquitous. The second position (about Hawaii and dependent territories vs the other 49 states) seems like it’s almost become the default on the left lately
>>2562180Oh never mind I’m dumb, I realize that the person in the screenshot was actually saying that the US empire will only extend to Los Angeles, which does imply that they think it is occupied land too. However, many other people seem to the think of the US as being a legitimate state that is illegitimately occupying Hawaii and its dependent territories, rather than being illegitimate entirely, just like “Israel” is. It’s ironic to me how many of these so-called revolutionaries will take the same position with regards to the US that liberal zionists take with regards to Israel, in that “Oh Israel has the right to exist in general, it just doesn’t have the right to occupy the West Bank”, as if it isn’t all stolen land.
>>2562173Any anti Amerikkkan who is trying to lump in indigenous with the rest are just false flaggers. Either they are triggerd pro-genocide supporters like Moffin or CPUSA anon or they are dumb grifters like Haz with his goons trying to spread ACP messaging by manufacturing a villain to exaggerate. Discount anyone who includes indigenous people with the USA as a false flagger and ignore them.
>>2562179Hawaii along with all the territories and reservations should just have an independence referendum on full independence or full statehood simple as
>>256217399.999% of Americans will require generations of re-rehabilitation before being allowed to intellectually contribute to the world socialist project.
This OP is a perfect example. You can't accept that American's might not be the world historical subject that brings socialism. Nearly every single American leftist, Marxist, anarchist etc of whatever ethnicity that I have interacted with is the same.
>>2562204What specifically are they infected with? Also, I specifically am saying that I as a white American am NOT the world historical subject, and that the Black and Indigenous people whose oppression I benefit from are one of the many revolutionary subjects. Also, there’s a massive difference between rehabilitating people for generations and killing them like the poster in the screenshot I attached said. Also, you don’t have to answer this if you don’t want, but just out of curiosity, are you from a global south country and would you apply your characterization of Americans to people of other global north countries?
>>2562204t.american who thinks there special
>>2562206>What specifically are they infected with?Call it "American exceptionalism". The belief that America must always be the guiding light. And that is the best of them. The majority can barely see people in the global south as actual humans. Or try to stuff the guilt of exploiting them deep down.
>that the Black and Indigenous people whose oppression I benefit from are one of the many revolutionary subjectsExcept they aren't. All the leaders of these communities just want to get onto the capitalist gravy train.
>are you from a global south country and would you apply your characterization of Americans to people of other global north countries?No. And it applies to the global north to a lesser degree. But Europeans are generally just trying to hide their guilt over exploitation. Not filled with a religious belief in the superiority of their nation.
>>2562206Nuyghurs and indigiuyghurs are supersitious religious subhumans who cannot win against the might of China.
The only revolutionary thing about indigenuyghurs is that they consume and produce drugs, which are the driving force of change and progress in world history.
>>2562216Thank you for your nuanced, good-faith response, I appreciate it! At what point in would you say that communities of color in the US became American exceptionalists and wanted to jump on the gravy train?
>>2562216You have to be trolling lmao. Is everyone else here meant to take this seriously? There's no way you actually believe this. This is full mongoloid thought. Like caveman retard thought process.
You clearly don't live in the USA and have never actually interacted with real Americans. The diversity of thought and culture in America is possible the greatest in the world (for better than worse). To paint the American working class as having any single unified sense of "exceptionalism" or patriotism shows you don't fucking live here because we fucking HATE this place lmao. We DON'T have that exceptionalism anymore. This place is losing it's self referencing sense of whiteness day by day (that's a good thing) and more and more we consider ourselves misrepresented by the fascists who run us.
You're fucking wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. You're not "revolutionary". You're a chauvinist. Grow up.
>>2562216Also, do you (and other revolutionary leftists in Europe) generally think that the land that is currently controlled by the US should be returned to being under the sole jurisdiction of the native tribes it originally belonged to, or do you think it needs to be occupied by an international force to eradicate and rehabilitate Americans, including Native Americans?
>>2562223For better and for worse*
>>2562224China needs to occupy this religger uyghur planet and eradicate religgerness feudal superstition cultures once and for all.
RMCM USWCC 360
SINO WORLDWIDE
>>2562221That trend has long been there. It was only the 1960s "Civil Rights" era where more radical leaders arose in those communities. And those leaders were either murdered, imprisoned, co-opted, or turned into gangsters. There are no continuing mass revolutionary organisations in North America like there are in Central and Southern America.
>>2562224I think nationalism is idiotic and dangerous. There is no inherent nobility to native tribes that would prevent them selling out. One socialist world republic.
>>2562223>To paint the American working class as having any single unified sense of "exceptionalism" or patriotism shows you don't fucking live here because we fucking HATE this place lmao. We DON'T have that exceptionalism anymore.Yes, you struggle for a return to the American century. For a return to good jobs and welfare.
>The diversity of thought and culture in America is possible the greatest in the worldI rest my case.
>>2562230Thank you for sharing your perspective!
>>2562173>While I could completely get behind white people in the US either leaving to Europe or being killed or should just be killed in general when revolution comes,You are same shit as the people you complain about.
>empathy for the plight of indigenous peoples in the so-called US.Moralism also fuck your indigenous nationalism that has nothing to do with socialism.
>>2562231>I rest my case *tips fedora*Eat shit, you fucking asshole
We , the VASTLY multiracial, VASTLY multicultural working class of America yearn for food and housing and healthcare. That is all possible, as it is in any other country, WITHOUT imperialism, without colonialism, without oppression.
We will get socialism here in spite of history, in spite of naysayers, and with true universal reconciliation for the attrocities this country has committed under the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie (DOTB. It will take a long time, and it won't be glorious or epic. But thanks to the efforts of our comrades in the imperial periphery as they have (and continue to) gradually cast off and relinquish themselves of the myriad tools of the USA DOTB, it has weakened that common enemy that so happens to reside among us.
Your overly simple-minded claims, showing a vacuum of dialectical, fluid thinking only hinders this necessary movement by belittling the struggles we face here.
So shut the fuck up, faggot.
>>2562242The shitfucker you're arguing with will just engage in more bad faith shitfucking, but I appreciate your raising this question OP.
>>2562245The person who you’re responding to isn’t OP, I am. I’m actually not trying to take sides here, and if you see my other posts I actually thanked the person that the person you’re replying to is arguing with for sharing their perspective. All the posts that have “OP” as their name are me, all the other ones aren’t
>>2562242Kill yourself malaysian anticommunist, fuck all your cultures and your mother.
>>2562250Oh. I do think the "kill everybody in Turtle Island" stance is the stuff of a broken mind.
>>2562261They're an anticommunist for wanting communism?
>>2562265Nah he's just doing a bit. I respect, understand, and find said bit funny.
>>2562266nothing wrong with being gay because I, myself personally, am gay*
>>2562173>muh irredentismThe Party will decide how to use those lands.
>>2562277Ok this is probably offensive on like five different but made genuinely laugh out loud anyway😂😂😂
Good job dude, thank you for being for being so committed so committed to a bit that’s actually funny and isn’t annoying.
Also, are you the same person that used to do this type of racist pro-China bit in 2021-2022? I haven’t posted here in since then (I came back just to make this thread), and I remember there being someone doing a similar bit.
>>2562284I only embraced Xiism after China showcased its greatness with the IRON robot developed by Guangzhou Xiaopeng Motors Technology Co., Ltd. commonly known as Xpeng.
>>2562287See, I agree with this, at least to some extent, but many people on the left don’t see it this way and instead this that Black and Indigenous people in the US receive the full benefits of being Americans, hence why I made this thread.
>>2562218most subtle mass tor baiter
>You must kill every white person
>You must kill every non-white person
I'm so glad this is what leftist discourse has degraded to.
>>2562302lmfao boo hoo lil nazi
>While I could completely get behind white people in the US either leaving to Europe or being killed or should just be killed in general when revolution comes
leftypol lmao
>>2562173Mods ban this chud for transphobia
>>2562223<Americans are mentally dominated by american exceptionalism>Is everyone else here meant to take this seriously? There's no way you actually believe this. This is full mongoloid thought. Like caveman retard thought process.>The diversity of thought and culture in America is possible the greatest in the worldLmao americans be crazy man, how could we ever trust enough to build a movement with these people? The country which never even had a left wing party of prominence is supposed to have the "greatest diversity of thought and culture in the world"? These people don't see nonUSians as human beings man
>>2562273>irredentismWhenever I see this I just assume I'm dealing with a fed trying to delegitimize whatever space I'm in. If they were to think about this for more than a few minutes the clear problems with such a position should become extremely obvious. If they don't then either the person is acting in bad faith or is… dangerously stupid.
>>2562287What absolutely zero theory does to a motherfucker.
>>2562524You are delusional if you think that mastodon or any such alt-media is even 5% as popular as twitter. Try talking to people in real life. No one knows what that is.
>>2562173It's literally one schizo, obviously it's not a global phenomenon you retard.
>>2562362the american proletarians are traitors to the world proletarians
carpetbomb all treatlerites
simple as
>a small comprador class"Gusanos are mostly anti-fascist" If you run away and hide from militant revolution as Cubans do, people will assume you are an imperialist collaborator.
>culturesno such thing, you use a German word about plant botany science to talk about humanity because you're a nazi podperson lol
https://historiansplaining.com/myth-of-the-month-22-culture/>>2562240>fuck your indigenous nationalism that has nothing to do with socialism<Socialists: "I agree with my fellow Jewish PMC settlers in the Abundance Zionist psyop: we need Elon Musk to save the environment with asteroid mining Star Trek sci-fi. Indigenous degrowth is reactionary and unscientific. Someone would shoot you if you demanded that my international Jewish settler friends be forced to learn the names of their Palestinian slaves in their farms and factories!"Really funny how this class of soy PMC graphic designers who says 'the symbol of communism is outdated, PMC are working class' will immediately reveal themselves to be Zionists who literally fantasize about shooting their child slaves in the head for daring to walk to their Brooklyn border walls and beg for solidarity.
Socialism is nationalist ideology, Bernie said "Trump is right to do ICE raids to deport people who dare to speak Mayan language on settler occupied land". Marx called indigenous folks "nonhistoric people" for very similar reasons as Israel does: they claim their technocratic bourgeois landgrabs "make efficient use of natural resources" that those "unscientific indigenous were failing to utilize". There's a reason why ᴉuᴉlossnW was a syndicalist and Hitler branded himself socialist: the accelerationist ideology of claiming to be building the means of production ASAP like China does. "Zohran will make the trains run on time so wage slaves can get to work faster" Consistent socialist futurist utopianism whether its in Israel or NYC
>>2562223>To paint the American working class as having any single unified sense of "exceptionalism" or patriotism >>2562367>These people don't see nonUSians as human beings man"How Graham Platner Exposes the American Left" - BadEmp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQGraham Platner is not a nazi, he is a Zionist who has never harmed any Jews. He only profited off killing the millions of people who dare to oppose Israel (the World Trade Center is of course a center of NYC's Jeffrey Epstein international Zionism. Socialists think its normal and harmless for globalists to trade guns, drugs, and of course the most valuable of commodity: human beings. Sex work is work, google Bookchin!)
>sense of whiteness"nonwhite ICE agents are anti-racist you mongoloid 🤡"
>>2562524>Chapo Trap House said "Twitter is real life." <"Graham Platner isn't a nazi because I read his reddit posts about trans people, I don't care about the millions of people who Jeffrey Epstein's settler friends killed" he labor aristocracy isn't real and PMC gamerchairs are working class!
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