/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

gen ZIGGA , gottem

Also, it has reported that the "Gen Z" protest was possibly astroturfed into hell, sheinbaum possibly told of massive bot influence, and it is nothing but a attempt to weaponize the cartel problem agaisnt the government

>>2563818
fake ass protest

I read it's PANista boomers including former right-wing president (and ex-Coca Cola CEO for Latin American operations) Vicente Fox trying to get Gen Z to do a counter-revolution for them. This seems to have recruited a few thousand low-info rubes from Reddit or Discord or wherever they come from, but also the Mexican equivalent of groypers who have latched onto it. Another name is Lilly Téllez, a militant of PAN who asked Marco Rubio and Trump for intervention in Mexico. Overall looks like a pretty sad attempt at exploiting "Gen Z" branded protests in other countries.

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Man, are we really calling every protest a "Gen Z" protest now? Analytically, I don't like term "color revolution" either, it has been too overused, insofar that I think internal contradictions are "primary." Like there were demonstrations that ousted the president of Madagascar, but to understand anything about that, you have to look at what is happening in Madagascar, which is not Mexico. Like what are the national political conflicts there, which factions are involved and how, which political forces benefit and which ones don't, and what are their demands. But calling things "Gen Z" moves it into this vibe-based cultural realm, so critical thought disappears. "This movement represents Gen Z." That's not a verifiable claim. But the rubes can be like "what? Are you an out-of-touch millennial who doesn't 'get' Gen Z?!?!" They've got Gen Z energy!!! Oh my God, please take me out back and shoot me.

I think this also goes for "color revolution" BTW. That has been so overused. It has been overused to the point that every protest everywhere has been called a color revolution at this point. I think you have to analyze things in their own context and be careful not to over-geopoliticize these things. In both cases these terms erase the specific local, political content of demonstrations. It tells you nothing. Also to the extent that the U.S. (and Trump) is involved in this Mexican rodeo – and some of these people are calling on the U.S. to intervene – it's probably a secondary (external) factor, but not the primary one, becuase as a matter of fact there are right-wing chuds in many countries.

>>2563840
>ex-Coca Cola CEO for Latin American operations
Damn, you know that's one evil motherfucker

the MOST colour revolution ever, in other countries it was a little more organic, specifically in Mexico they found botfarms and traditional right wing politicians stir up the protest which didnt even fill the fucking plaza. i hope they get the usual treatment actual leftists get in other country when they protest like this, but they wont and we all know why.

>>2563840
>Man, are we really calling every protest a "Gen Z" protest now?
It's what the protestors and news outlets have been calling these. In my opinion a huge marker for how these protests were astroturfed/coopted for western interests

>I think this also goes for "color revolution" BTW. That has been so overused
People just mean that these protests are in the interest of western powers and/or don't accomplish or have any real concrete revolutionary goals

I wouldn't get so worked up/autistic about terminology tbh, the meaning people associate to the use of these terms is pretty obvious

>All protests are "Gen Z" now
You people are boring.

Fuck One Piece tbqh

I stand by my defense of the protests against the Indonesian government but this shit in Mexico is the most farcical astroturfed shit I've ever seen.

>>2563884
The Indonesian chimpout was just as astroturfed as this, funded by the same groups even

Funded by the CIA’s NGOs. Every Gen Z that attended was 50+. If this wasn’t an attempted color revolution I don’t know what is. Luffy would have beat the shit out of the Coca-Cola guy. A downright shameful showing of the flag.

>>2563883
I’m sorry your life lacks joy.

>>2563881
>Muh terminology
Still seething about being wrong about Nepal huh?

>>2563901
Hey that’s not fair, they were also wrong in Indonesia, Madagascar, and Serbia too!

>>2563840
>Fox
>Sheinbaum
What the fuck are with these names of Mexican presidents?

>>2563883
>>2563898
It's fucking ugly and not in an aesthetic way, like ONE's art style.

>>2563916
Because Mexico is an immigrant nation? Fox is of german decent (ironically he was Fuchs before) and Sheinbaum is Jewish. Mexico was long a haven for political refugees, including from the spanish civil war.

>>2563919
>Like ONE's artsyle
How dare you anon?! ONE's artstyle is much superior to Onepiece's

>>2563901
>Nepal
Back then I said (paraphrasing) "in the absence of organized revolutionary leadership liberalism will inevitably take command, this does not invalidate the anger or grievances of the masses against the revisionist government and its liberal policies. The turn of the "communists" to neoliberalism and neo-colonialism is what precipitated this in the first place. As such, the correct communist position is not "law and order" but to move to take command of the left wing of the movement and shift it towards organized warfare."

I still stand by this. The inevitable fascist turn of the new government will further intensify the contradictions already reconstituting the Revolutionary Communist Party.

>>2563945
Actually I was trying to imply exactly that.

>>2563928
They are such a small minority of people in Mexico that it reeks of white supremacy.

>>2563955
calm down. the previous president's last name is Lopez Obrador. and everyone with a family history in Mexico is a mutt anyway. everyone hear has indigenous admixture to some degree. which makes our Mexican nazis extra funny and embarrassing

>>2563851
>but they wont and we all know why.
why?

>>2563966
>Lopez Obrador.
descendant of spanish civil war refugees btw

one piece is cancer

>>2563954
I see, sorry for misunderstanding you anon. You have impeccable taste

>>2563950
That's fine but I remember you being quite excited for the maoist parties to take that command, which they of course didn't do at all, they barely made any statement whatsoever. While you don't have to dismiss or invalidate the anger or grievances of the masses it should have been quite easy to see that the whole thing was compromised from the start. Which is the exact reason that no party actually pushed for organized warfare as it was happening because that would have ended extremely bad for them

>>2563818
>>2563840
>>2563883
>>2563897
You can tell this is an astroturfed campaign because Mexico is a proud DBZ nation.

>>2563992
Shenbaun should call counter protests using z warrior drip.

>>2563985
>I remember you being quite excited for the maoist parties to take that command, which they of course didn't do at all, they barely made any statement whatsoever.
I was excited to see their thoughts on the matter, but I had no big expectations for the RCPN or others to take absolute command. The movement in Nepal is still in a state of recovery. This does present an opportunity for the Maoists to build their forces, and this is what these forces are doing. That few public statements were made isn't particularly meaningful to what is actually happening on the ground. The relevant forces stated their stance on what was happening, and that's all that's necessary. Not everyone is a clown like PSL and publicly announces their every move. I'm happy to wait patiently for what happens next. Success isn't guaranteed, but the millions who fought in the people's war didn't just evaporate or simply capitulate.
>it should have been quite easy to see that the whole thing was compromised from the start.
This is a fundamentally incorrect way to look at social movements.
>Which is the exact reason that no party actually pushed for organized warfare as it was happening
The RCPN is presently involved in above-ground work and isn't presently at a stage where they would or should be openly stating their intentions to reignite the people's war beyond stating their commitment to it as a necessity, which they have. The immature practice of ICL-aligned "Maoist" parties that openly announce their intent to start revolutionary warfare while maintaining an above-ground presence is not the practice of any party that has actually begun a people's war.

>>2563992
According to that map Pokemon is most popular in Mexico.

>>2564302
How does that happen? I thought Mexico was the center of Dragon Ball in Latin America? Did Pokemon recently overtake it?

>>2564300
You were the one who said we should be on the lookout for their response, I have nothing against maoism so it seemed alright to me, but if anything it showed to me that the real revolutionary movement in Nepal is marginal at best and their stances were rather uninspired. I'll still trust/support the RCPN and others to take what opportunities they can from these events
>Success isn't guaranteed, but the millions who fought in the people's war didn't just evaporate or simply capitulate
Success was never on the table, not in these protests at least
>This is a fundamentally incorrect way to look at social movements.
But it's true? The whole movement was a vague "anti-corruption" campaign that started out due to a ban on western social media platforms and ended in an army managed discord vote to install some other lib to lead the country. Nothing about it was communist or revolutionary. Sometimes you seem a bit too optimistic and naïve to me maoanon

>>2564307

the TCG and the zoomers mostly

Sheinbaum is revisionist, she should have done the Tiananmen Square solution.

I called this One Piece shit being imperialist-backed so hard during the Indonesia protest and Anons got so fucking mad. Now that I've been vindicated people pretend that they've never liked One Piece anyway.

>>2564600
it was pretty obvious too, protest with empty and vague demands to pull at the heartstrings, rightoid politicians and media defending it to justify chimp outs + cooptation of popular symbols.
only by using DBZ conter protests and beating every monkey protesting this shit will go away.

>>2563992
What anime does North Korea like to watch?

This is obviously the CIA. Claudia Sheinbaum Has an 82% percent approval rating and America just wants to escalate some Nazi kids disconnect so they can install another Pinochet.

>>2563851
>actual leftists get in other country when they protest like this, but they wont and we all know why.
Cracking down hard might make them martyrs. Letting them fizzle out is the best policy. Along with surveillance of the "protest" organizers.

>>2564619
cracking down by protest mogging worked on cuba.
pick another team, mobilize and show they are wrong, simple as.

It was a fucking embarrassment and makes me feel ashamed of my fellow countrymen because I thought for all our faults, the AmwriKKKan style culture war bullshit wasn't popular in Mexico safe for small groups of wannabe /pol/tards on disc0rd and Xitter. Sadly, the spectacle has breached into real life here too.

>>2564621
I think Sheinbaum is indeed planning some sort of counter-protest after the November 20th (anniversary of the Mexican Revolution) parade passes.

>>2564616
Squirrel and Hedgehog

>>2564621
>cracking down by protest mogging worked on cuba.
True, by crackdown, I meant using state forces. Protest mogging is an effective solution to the problem.

>>2563916
Mexicans are secret Germans.

Same people, really

>>2564640
wtf this looks so fun.

>>2564664
Its about brave little korean forest critters joining the army and fighting/killing evil american weasel invaders and the comprador critter of the south

>>2564669
>Lastly we have Uncle Gom… Well, he’s a bear. And he promises the keep the people of Flower Hill safe because he’s so big and powerful. Then he gets drunk on what looks suspiciously like vodka…
topkek. i am 200% watching this.

>>2563881
>>All protests are "Gen Z" now
>You people are boring.
Now wait a minute, I thought these Gen-Z "uprisings" were a legitimate worker's movement and permanent revolution was just around the corner.

Fuck! Man… I've already published a gallilion articles about the legitimacy of these grievances what the glowies are exploiting. I know who's responsible for this!

>>2564828
isnt peru a neoliberal hell hole though?

>>2564832
I think they are building a large port meant for trade with China, which is a big no no in the unitedstatian backyard

>>2564835
I don't think the U.S. has a problem with the current government of Peru.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/10/14/jose-jeri-perus-eighth-president-in-a-decade/

there is a difference between the various "gen z revolts", and usually when there are actual gen zers (unlike mexico) the US has been ambivalent, these movements clearly dont have a direct management or ideology but are outburst of violence. when this violence is directed at a government that the US dosent like they fund it, when they dont they ignore it. this is why Nepal had very little media time from right wing grifters, because it was too open for them, Mexico's is clearly on the right wing side against a left wing government, and therefore we see the fucking US government directly tweeting about it. Not only that we see that there are bot farms, very plausibly funded by CIA, directed at it, but this dosent mean that every gen z revolt is CIA, it's just a spontaneous movement that gets directed.

Dont worry about it guys, they will just do another vote on Discord and then kill some commies and ethnic minorities while shills here defend it again

>>2564858
>we see the fucking US government directly tweeting about it.
where?

>>2564640
peak cartoon

>>2564852
i dont know the situation about Peru, but just because a government is pro-west doesn't mean it gets off scott free.
agencies can stir up protests as a means to apply pressure. so if the pro-west government of peru decides all of a sudden they want to hedge their bets, and get a cheaper Chinese railway instead of a US one, then they can whip up already existing discontent.

>>2564640
>>2564669
Is this the cartoon with a smoking goat that the chimney goat phrase comes from? Or is that another dprk cartoon?

>>2563818
About Mexico, this ammount to the ye olden phrase "when you go to a rally where nazis are welcomed, you are in a nazi rally"
>>2564950
About Peru, shit is reaaally bad. The lumpen is going wild on the pettybourg and the workers underneath. This creates social tension (the reputation of the police is on the ground, too many scandals and lumpen running wild).
Now, under Boluarte there were some warnings by the amerikkkan officials about the "chinese threat". But there is no "amerikkkan train" counterpart lmao. And Boluarte already gave them a Space Port near Ecuador

>>2564629
>the AmwriKKKan style culture war bullshit wasn't popular in Mexico
there are tons of mexican groypers lol. tiktok has also been filled with mexican chauvinist crap about comparing the GDP of guadalajara with lima, with like phunk music. i hope openAI goes bankrupt quickly so larry ellison is forced to sell tiktok because it's making some people insanely reactionary

>>2564321
>You were the one who said we should be on the lookout for their response
Yes.
>their stances were rather uninspired
Fair in the case of the RCPN.
>I'll still trust/support the RCPN and others to take what opportunities they can from these events
Good.
>Success was never on the table, not in these protests at least
>The whole movement was a vague "anti-corruption" campaign that started out due to a ban on western social media platforms
>Nothing about it was communist or revolutionary.
You are looking at this one-sidedly and ignoring wider context. Reducing this to simply being incited by an attempted social media ban (as a lot of western media coverage has) is performing the same erasure of struggle as liberals do when they ignore all Palestinian history before Oct. 7th. Not saying you are the same overall as those zionists, but this is the same error in historical analysis. Remember, the masses are who make history. The spoiled brats who held that discord vote with the army were very clearly not the same class and social forces which had just burned government buildings and fought the army. There was a liberal element that was able to use this to defeat other liberals. There was also an eclectic worker element which was much more interested in tearing down the neoliberal apparatus in general and indiscriminately attacked state and corporate infrastructure and buildings. Nobody is claiming that the protests represented a revolutionary or organized communist force, but Lenin offers important words for looking at spontaneous moments like these:

>Strikes occurred in Russia in the seventies and sixties… and they were accompanied by the “spontaneous” destruction of machinery, etc. Compared with these “revolts”, the strikes of the nineties might even be described as “conscious”, to such an extent do they mark the progress which the working-class movement made in that period. This shows that the “spontaneous element”, in essence, represents nothing more nor less than consciousness in an embryonic form. Even the primitive revolts expressed the awakening of consciousness to a certain extent. The workers were losing their age-long faith in the permanence of the system which oppressed them and began… I shall not say to understand, but to sense the necessity for collective resistance, definitely abandoning their slavish submission to the authorities.

The revolts in Russia in this time, when they weren't simply crushed, were also co-opted and used towards liberal ends, namely in liberalism and capitalism's struggle against feudalism. The revolts of the 60s and 70s oftentimes suffered from vague and primitive aims. However they were a crucial part of the historical context that ultimately led to 1905 and 1917. Revolts happened over and over again with increasing organization because liberal elements in command could never genuinely address the class antagonisms at their root, and what was initially useful for liberals against feudalism qualitatively transitioned into its opposite. In this same way, the liberal elements which took advantage of and co-opted the uprising in Nepal represent the same forces that created the situation in the first place. This will happen again, and it will repeat in increasingly organized ways. Unlike Russia, this is a context where a Revolutionary Communist element (if presently marginal) already exists and Communism is at least somewhat known to the people. This is an advantage and indicates to me that the righteous fury that the working masses displayed in Nepal will not go to waste in the long term. It's incorrect to look at these events as simply "good" or "bad" based on whether it presses the revolution button from the start. Remember that "one divides into two" and develop a full analysis of the worker's grievances and involvement in the protest (at times pushing it well beyond what liberalism desired) beyond anti-worker takes like "well they were duped by liberals" alongside an honest assessment of liberalism's role and why it was able to co-opt these grievances this time.

>>2564828
>I thought these Gen-Z "uprisings" were a legitimate worker's movement and permanent revolution was just around the corner.
Boring. Nobody has said this.

we got reports that a lot of the protesters were rallied and brought in packs by criminals linked to merchants who were threatened by local gangs who charge for protection if they didn't go to the protests;

https://x.com/FreddyOliviery/status/1989832913199010313

of the few Gen-z-ers that did go to the protest might be linked to a detained woman from Guadalajara named Daniela Toussaint who used to pimp minors in 2020

https://www.tvazteca.com/aztecauno/venga-la-alegria/notas-vla/notas/mario-bautista-acusado-abuso-sexual-daniela-toussaint-denunciantes

she was detained on the protests and are treating her like a victim now

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1MW3fxQMzm/

>>2565064
Thank you for your thoughtful response maoanon. I generally agree and I also wouldn't want to dismiss the grievances of the Nepalese working people. Of course there's something real, if a bit embryonic in these protests, otherwise they wouldn't happen. And I wouldn't want to be dismissive of any protests in principle, but I think it should be noted when these movements ARE coopted by liberals and that such things can happen extremely fast or in many cases are already predisposed to cooption. Popular resentment is a powerful force, porkies know this and they control the media landscape, thus molding the perceived outlets for that force in advance. I don't think it's a coincidence when we see these things happen in real time (the discord voting, the QR code banners in english, the "Gen Z" label, etc), that there is a certain alignment towards western interests. These factors should raise skepticism, while retaining solidarity with the working people regardless of course

Gen Zion

>>2566558
No

>>2563966
>which makes our Mexican nazis extra funny
I call them naztecs

I get that not turning them into martyrs is probably the smartest thing to do, but man, I really wish Sheinbaum went full Red Terror on these fashoids.
#HangChriscucksFromLampostsAgain

>>2563898
Yamato Damashit stories are garbage idealism.

>>2570436
>genz
>mostly elderly
Huh