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Pics are Bambidbar/Numbers 31:13-18. If you are a christcuck or jew, you by definition believe that the Torah or the Torah fanfic that is the bible is the infallible word of God. These books say that when you take a town, you should kill every single person in them besides the young girls which you take as sex slaves. Why do we let these lunatics in left-wing spaces? Sure, you can make a "progressive" interpretation of these books if you erase enough words, but you can do the same with Mein Kampf. There's a reason why Marx and Lenin were so anti-religion, which modern postmodernist "communists" seem to have forgotten.

Not an Abrahamoid nor do I care to defend the faiths as a whole, but a lot of the shit in the OT especially the funkier laws in the first five books were part of an older covenant, meant to apply to God's chosen people during that time period. And in the Bronze and Iron Ages, when Judaism was originally taking shape, genocide was the normal and expected thing to do when you conquer shit. Hell it was a danger NOT to commit genocide on your vanquished foes, since the expectation held by everyone was that any survivors would be compelled to avenge their people a thousand fold. "An eye for an eye" was basically considered radical pacifism in this early area of civilization, and the OT reflects the times. Which of course is why the best use the OT has is as a historical narrative rather than religious dogma

Nazism is derived from abrahamism, so…

>>2576194
You're overthinking ideology. Churches are capitalists and act in accordance with their investments. Nazism is directly a colonial ideology calling for lebensraum.

Semi-relevant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations

Anyhow the major organizations we should car about e in the imperial core are the Catholic Church which has a more decentralized feudal structure and the LDS Church which is much more centralized.

The LDS Church has significant investments in information technology which is ultimately a kind of rent hindering industrialization in the periphery.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-10-holdings-mormon-churchs-214737974.html

The Catholic Church owns large amounts of real estate and other rents but its finances are a decentralized mess. Anyhow I would see the Catholic Church and the LDS Church as dangerous reactionary threats specifically because of the kinds of investments they hold.

I think it's most practical to demand greater financial transparency from these organizations and then possibly make BDS demands.

>>2576207
non-doms, pentecostals, and other protestant denominations are also very involved in fucking over third world countries, a lot of recent very harsh anti-gay laws in African countries were put there by American evangelical churches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%27ent%27ay
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism_in_Latin_America
https://globalaffairs.org/commentary/blogs/unholy-relationship-between-ugandas-anti-lgbtq-law-and-us-evangelicalism

>>2576194
This is old testament bruh

>>2576208
This is very true. However, such religious groups are much more dependent on corporate donors and do not set their own independent agendas as much. This is part of why decentralized religious faiths can be more blatantly hateful. That being said, there are some big ones like "Plymouth Brethren Christian Church" and "Seventh Day Adventist Church".

Also a few of these groups are secular.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/africa-us-christian-right-50m

IMO the spend on queerphobia more reflects fossil fuel industry interests in diverting attention from climate change as part of a broader global campaign.

Semi-relevant

https://atmos.earth/political-landscapes/fossil-fuel-billionaires-are-bankrolling-the-anti-trans-movement/
https://healthliberationnow.com/2024/12/19/terfs-eco-fascists-and-christo-nationalists-from-deep-green-resistance-to-wolf-partnering-with-the-global-christian-right/

A lot of the eco-fascists like Derrick Jensen are fossil fuel agent provocateurs.

>>2576194
>There's a reason why Marx and Lenin were so anti-religion

Here's Marx on Christianity:


<The social principles of Christianity have now had eighteen hundred years to be developed, and need no further development by Prussian Consistorial Counsellors.


<The social principles of Christianity justified the slavery of antiquity, glorifies the serfdom of the Middle Ages and are capable, in case of need, of defending the oppression of the proletariat, with somewhat doleful grimaces.


<The social principles of Christianity preach the necessity of a ruling and an oppressed class, and for the latter all they have to offer is the pious wish that the former may be charitable.


<The social principles of Christianity place the Consistorial Counsellor’s compensation for all infamies in heaven, and thereby justify the continuation of these infamies on earth.


<The social principles of Christianity declare all the vile acts of the oppressors against the oppressed to be either a just punishment for original sin and other sins, or trials which the Lord, in his infinite wisdom, ordains for the redeemed.


<The social principles of Christianity preach cowardice, self-contempt, abasement, submissiveness and humbleness, in short, all the qualities of the rabble, and the proletariat, which will not permit itself to be treated as rabble, needs its courage, its self-confidence, its pride and its sense of independence even more than its bread.


<The social principles of Christianity are sneaking and hypocritical, and the proletariat is revolutionary.


<So much for the social principles of Christianity.


The Communism of the Rheinischer Beobachter
https://marxists.architexturez.net/archive/marx/works/1847/09/12.htm

>>2576194
>muh nazis
>muh religion
Moralism


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>>2576194
>>2576196
> meant to apply to God's chosen people during that time period.
>>2576219
>This is old testament bruh
well G-d's chosen chuddies in israel believe that shit still and act accordingly

Liberation theology is in part born out of abrahamic faith.

Point to me where Nazism offers any alternative outside of genocide, repression, totalitarianism, corporatism, repressive gender/ sexual norms, racism and of course- capitalism.

>>2576194
>If you are a christcuck or jew
You kinda forgot one important abrahamic, no? But yeah this is bait.

>>2576506
I can't believe he'd let those heretical Manicheans get away with it.

islam and judaism have been racialised, so you arent allowed to criticise them (you can even go to jail fir blasphemy laws in the west).

>>2576196
>that's just like how it was back then and stuff, don't overthink it
Have you ever noticed that this argument can be, and will be used in perpetuity, whether talking about something 3500 years ago, or talking about something 50 years ago?

>>2576196
" But what sort of imitation of God is praised among the Hebrews? Anger and wrath and fierce jealousy. For God says : "Phinehas hath turned away my wrath from the children of Israel, in that he was jealous with my jealousy among them." For God, on finding one who shared his resentment and his grief, thereupon, as it appears, laid aside his resentment."

- Julian the Aposthate, 363 "against the Galileans"
Clearly even people back then criticised the abrahamists for this.

>>2576802
>so you arent allowed to criticise them
bruh have you never seen how mainstream media and hollywood in the west talks about them evil muslamics lmao constantly bringing in some "islam experts" who are just yakubian stooges trying to justify why its actually ok to bomb muslims and steal their ressources. if most muslims werent brown i think nobody would actually care about islam and it would just be treated like christianity

>>2576194
Islam and to a lesser extent Christianity evolved greatly from what came before them. They both are ethical systems compatible with the modern world

>>2576872
Considering the track record of both the Roman Empire and the Hellenic Pantheon in general this just feels like the pot calling the kettle black

>>2576985
My point is that Christanity and judaism's moral flaws were pointed out in the 300s, however, I think you assessment of Julian the Apostate to be a bit unfair, sure he prevented christians from becoming teachers and he obviously hated christianity, but he was far from being the anti-christian tyrant he was portrayed as, especially when you compare him to his cousin, Constantius the Second.
Beyond that, Julian's philosophy of Neoplatonism was quite modern in some aspect as he denouced what he called the fables of both greek and jewish mythology. Instead advocating for a more figurative and philosophical religion. He's closer to Enlightened era thinkers then christians were at the time.

>>2576996
I mean that Constatius the second was more anti-pagan then Julian was anti-christian, obviously Constantius wasn't anti-christian as he was one.

>>2576194
Religion is weird and creepy. They also rape children.

>>2576996
Deists are fucking creepy as all hell TBH. I'd trust some illiterate peasant who believes in the big man in the sky over some Newtonian deist.

>>2576873
you're talking to a reactionary who will pretend up is down, left is right, night is day, and then either never respond when you correct him, or simply make the conversation a race to the bottom where he "wins" by being more childish. What's the point?

>>2576873
Saudi islamist cuck lmao

>There's a reason why Marx and Lenin were so anti-religion, which modern postmodernist "communists" seem to have forgotten.
Find me a single modern communist or generally leftist space where people aren't at least mildly suspicious or critical of religion.


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