/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2581403
You can find the objective truth about the atomic weight of hydrogen. Political judgments aren't like that. Personally I'm biased in favor of [good things] and biased against [bad things].

>>2581403
Well, as materialists we marxists posit that an absolute truth does exist but that we can't ever really reach it only to get increasingly close to it through repeated verifications and observations through our senses. Ultimately it is the human practical process which leads us closer to the absolute truth.

yes, of course the truth is possible.
>>2583779
>Political judgments aren't like that
why not?

>>2583830
Can’t stay neutral on a moving train

the best way to be unbiased is to have your vibes right to the point you can sus out any media you find as sus

>>2583833
the truth doesnt move, so why should i?
if i am in the wrong place, i will adjust where the truth is.

>>2581403
>Is it to be self-aware and honest about these biases and then to adjust?
Yeah, or honest with yourself anyways, recognize you have them and try to make some effort to not to let them contaminate your own thought processes. A lot of biases can be bound up in really strong loyalties that are beyond good and evil, recognizing no other goal than accumulating more power for whatever you're loyal to, and so the mentality comes to revolve around either boosting one's own group, party, race or nation and denigrating any rivals to it. Now people also have preferences and that's probably necessary in politics, I'm just saying to make the necessary allowance for the bias creeps in so you don't say anything outright barbaric or stupid.

>>2583837
Fine, but you’re obviously not “unbiased”.

>>2583881
obviously not, but i try to overcome my biases, instead of submitting to them.

>>2583889
> obviously not
Then we’re in agreement. You overcome your biases in service of what you consider “true” which many people already do including people who don’t believe it’s possible to completely get rid of all biases.
> submitting to them
OK, but you already established you submit to the idea of an “objective truth” politically.

>>2581403
This is the most thought provoking philosophical post I've seen on any chan in over a decade. I think the answer to this lies in the discernment of every contribution to the question, and I only have a metaphysical one. Each of us has a different starting point, so we are prone to bias. Orientation provides context which aids navigation but its expression is often lost in translation, so objectivity lies in careful evaluation of circumstance, which itself is subject to bias. Objective truth in this case is discernment of lived experience. Some claim to know this from their understanding of God, but from my perspective these don't appear to understand from experience aside from academic endeavors. I say objective truth can always be sought but never fully possessed, and seeking it can help overcome various cognitive biases, but nobody can it hold all within themselves. How's that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBmA705ULjc

>>2581403
IMO objective truth does exist but reality is so insanely complex that humans cannot fully grasp it. We just can't perceive or measure all of it. We can only get closer and closer to the truth. So accounting for biases and shortcomings in perception requires endless iteration and revision.

>>2583922
You must've missed out the time a 420Chan user recorded his own phone with the front camera without using a mirror, the phone saw itself.
https://leftypol.org//siberia/res/627790.html#q692312

>>2584132
Haha. Yeah I missed it,