Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Again I don’t think most people make this distinction intentionally or out of active racism, it’s just a bias that many groups, including white people and Arabs across the political spectrum, end up participating in without realizing it.
this is true. especially on here, where you just know a certain percentage of the anons are /pol/ "converts" who still retain many of their beliefs in secret
Plus news reporting, journalists making that very bias will write about one more than the other. So it compounds multiplicatively.
Most of Africa is largely ignored by the western world. You don't hear good, bad or even neutral things about anything African.
>>2582435>You don't hear good, bad or even neutral things about anything African.You hear a lot of bad things about the "dictators" there which half the time are US-backed, US-installed in the first place, and the other half of the time are being targeted for a coup because they tried to nationalize something.
>>2582435Adding to this, I'm not sure if it has to do with "Caucasian or white-adjacent" perception, since we do hear quite a bit about Asia for example. I guess the main issue is that Africa is seen as extremely underdeveloped, leading to a lot of people genuinely believing most of them live in huts and shit.
In Asia this perception simply can't happen because there are a ton of highly developed and industrialized countries, like China.
>>2582443Atrocities and genocides happening in the rest of Asia get little attention as well. Even when Western media made a fuss about Uyghurs it was for the same reason as talking about African dictators, which was to manufacture consent. So, no, it is the same.
>>2582443Like
>>2582445 said, the Myanmar civil-war is largely ignored. There might be some sympathy for East Asians, mainly from weebs and koreaboos, but other Asians might as well not exist. Even when the Naxals were fighting the Indian state they were still largely ignored compared to Palestine.
I think this is kind of an online thing to say. The Palestine movement where I live is always highlighting Sudan and has a lot of Sudanese people part of it. Same with Kashmere. This thread is kind of a non-issue at best or a Mossad propaganda at worst.
Thinly-veiled Zionist propaganda thread that weaponizes identity politics. The reason why Palestine features so much in Western alt news is because Western governments are directly involved in the Palestine genocide, lmao
>>2582414Na, I think it’s because our government actively demands loyalty to Israel and there’s endless terrible propaganda pushed on the population to promote said loyalty to Israel. If our politicians treated Israel like Saudi Arabia, you know never really talk about or acknowledge them. And you didn’t have all these Zionist getting on the internet, putting on their biggest yamakas and telling Americans they should be grateful to send them another 30 billion dollars. Sadly I think the genocide would have gone unnoticed.
No retard it's because Israel survives off western backing and by fighting backing it we can end the terror in Palestine.
What the fuck am I meant to do in Sudan or Myanmar?
>>2582414No it's because it's one of the longest ongoing conflicts in modern history, one of the few apartheid states and the only one that still exists and most importantly it is centrally located in what has been the primary battleground of imperialism for the last few decades. Where the maintenance of the situation in Palestine, currently manifesting itself as one of the more advanced militaries in the world bombing tens of thousands of innocent unarmed people to death, is done at the behest of said imperialism. These other countries in Africa do not have the same relevance to imperialism, are usually antiimperialist or sectarian conflict and are thus seen differently. Also Israel is a "liberal democracy" and western ally and the standards should be higher than for failed states and dictatorships, or so we are told by our lib overlords to justify their imperialism in the third world. The refusal to acknowledge the double standard the west has towards Israel exposes their hypocrisy and complicity in what they claim to be against.
I will agree that africa is generally overlooked by western left as a result of lingering racism, but you have to be blind and deaf to think that arabs are somehow seen as white adjacent when they are some of the most dehumanized and racialized people out there, especially the palestinians
>>2582462>antiimperialistmeant to say inter-imperialist here
Somalia, Myanmar and Sudan are more or less third world clusterfucks that concern mainly third world actors. Multipolaritards will accuse you of diversion because they don't know who to support between the heckin wholesome BRICS Egypt/Saudi vs UAE/Wagner that back each of the Sudanese factions while ignoring that China and Russia love Israel. Which they do because they want to pretend to have this historically leftist position about this clear cut issue and really can't cross that line (yet)
>>2582459>>2582454I'm Pakistani and I'm obviously don't want the Palestinian cause to less president, but it's a social dynamic I've seen, not just with Palestine but with the Kurds as well
>>2582414No, this is so stupid. Palestinians are not perceived as white by anyone just as Indians or other Arabs aren't.The reason why Palestine gets more attention is because it started happening very publicly, in no small part because Israel itself made it very public. Meanwhile ethnic cleansings happen all over Africa and they just do it without getting all the media to feel bad for them first. Because they don't care. They don't care because they don't get all that money from America unlike Israel.
>>2582480Westerners don't consider Palestieans to be white, lmao.
>>2582414why don't people give a shit about libya, yemen, syria or armenia then
the actual reason is that israel exercises a lot of power in the us and the internet and global media in general are all american or downstream from american media
>>2582489>>2582500Obviously, they are not perceived as 'white,' but people don't perceive Indians and Black people the same way they would a Palestiean child and I'm telling you it's not Westerners, I see it in my own country
>>2582414>>2582414>Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Again I don’t think most people make this distinction intentionally or out of active racism, it’s just a bias that many groups, including white people and Arabs across the political spectrum, end up participating in without realizing it.pali here, i mean yeah its just the truth the darker the population being killed is the more likely westoids are to say "thats just the way they are they just arent developed like us" rich arabs also have this line of thinking idk fuck this world honestly its just so fucking cruel like the shit in sudan, somalia or mali or chad or name any other african 3rd world country just immediately gets dismissed as the norm for those "less developed" populations, that aside palestine is percieved as a "holy land" by all 3 abrahamic religions so westoids are gonna care a bit because of that, im sure jesus wouldve loved military assistance being used to bomb kids keep going "christians"!
>>>2582501>why don't people give a shit about libya, yemen, syria or armenia then its the same forces fucking around with palestine that are fucking around in those countries, us, eu and its greatest ally and their little pawns like azerbaijan or uae or groups financed by them like isis or boko haram ("islamic" groups with western weapons that attack every state in the region except the only non muslim one… yeah sure lol) sorry if i write like a retard i need to smoke in order to numb my mind cuh
>>2582414Why make a thread for this?
>Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. It's easier to mobilise around Palestine because we've had a lot of practice, due to having the last 80 years to organise around doing it.
all campists are white supremacists
I remember people realizing the truth about the Obama-era meme about "the neoliberal World Order condemns Somali pirates (who are really just resisting imperialism)"
https://antonyloewenstein.com/what-somali-pirates-explain-about-imperialism/https://www.oceansentry.org/somali-pirates/>>2582424>in secretif that all you gotta do is see if someone uses the term "lumpen" for "thing I dislike"
>>2582424>>2582414retards with 0 knowledge of history just assume random shit on baseless feelz
educate yourselves
>>2582509True. In my country a child from Palestine is considered lesser than a Black person or an Indian, in fact according to my government they are lesser than donkeys.
>>2582514>rich arabs also have this line of thinking idk fuck this worldIronically, most wealthy Arabs, i.e from the Gulf region, are more likely part Indian and or part black
People pay more attention to Palestine because it has been going on for 80 years and police will crack your fucking head open if you speak about it.
>>2582424Yes. This board has a huge antisemitism problem that extends way beyond legitimate criticisms of Israel and the Gaza genocide.
>>2582414Palestine is more western adjacent because Israel is perceived as a western country whereas places like Somalia and Myanmar are "the third world", countries the average American could not find on a map after multiple attempts. There also isn't a massive propaganda apparatus funded by westerners trying to cover up what's happening in those countries. Israel is its own worst enemy in that respect, their hasbara campaign is so bad that most people can see through it and thus cause them to make the opposite intended conclusion.
>>2582759Yeah OP is off base here. Arabs are in the nebulous category of brown to the average American and aside from people who are just open antisemites a lot of the younger pro Palestine crowd are the types who would see proximity to whiteness as a negative. See how many of them insisted that Israel was a white supremacist project because they are too afraid to say the words Jewish supremacist. Its because of the Israel lobby + great power conflict in the Middle East in general getting more coverage because of a combination of 9/11 and it being easy for all parties involved to frame things in religious terms.
As you said events like the Malian army being assraped by jihadists or the killings in Sudan are just business as usual in the American mind.
>>2582414The attention is partly cos of who is doing it, how long it's been going on and who is paying for it, but you do have a point. The Balkan intervention in the '90s while allowing the Rwandan genocide was a notable example of prioritizing the Eurocentric over the Afrocentric.
>>2582414It might have something to do with it but I think its more that there is a direct and overt connection between US imperialism and Israel, where other conflicts are still funded by the CIA they are non-state actors and dont get high-tech infrastructure sharing research and development and air support or a seat at the UN. They also swap and play both sides in other conflicts because the point is chaos to keep resource extraction cheap. If the congo deathsquads were getting F-35 and Patriot missile deals that propped up the economy of half the states in the US you would probably see more about it.
Also Israel has been and still is used to transfer arms to these types of terrorists like ISIS and their equivalents in the sahel to get around congressional bottlenecks and also in training them so the focus on the tip of the spear is kinda justified.
And also the chaos mentioned means there isn't really an alternative to support, but where their is like with AES they have it, and also you hear less about conflict in that region cause they are fixing it.
If you got rid of Israel they would have to find another hub to transfer arms into MENA and it would reduce these conflicts too but you would still have to deal with AfriCom and ECOWAS bs. But the source of the problem is still the US. I hope you are not implying people should focus on the individual groups that are all proxies of American corporations, whether they know it or not.
>>2582804
>Maybe start making some videos about it and maybe I will bother.
>i can't be bothered to inform myself on the world unless you make a tiktok about it
can't believe how shameless you are to just state this openly
>>2582414Most of the english speaking internet is heavily populated by Americans who have much closer ties to Palestine than those other countries. It makes sense to start up a protest to stop your government from sending weapons out of your tax money or get your university to divest from Israel. That's a tangible goal. What are people supposed to do about Sudan? try to get the UAE sanctioned or certain oligarch's assets seized? It's not something that gets people on the streets and drives a lot of reporting sadly.
It's hard coded into your genes. You only give a shit, at a truly emotional level, for people that look like you. When it comes to the suffering of others, you only have a general humanistic "this is a bad thing" reaction.
>>2582985idk man sounds like a skill issue to me
>>2582985This might make sense in a world of orcs and elves. Says more about you.
>>2582985>>2582804kys faggot
>>2582985>It's hard coded into your genes. You only give a shit, at a truly emotional level, for people that look like you. Indeed this is the way Yakub created you; carrying hearts of stone without any shred of human empathy, return to Patmos and cease spreading corruption on the face of the earth oh wretched son of Yakub.
There is no such thing as color blindness. The left puts browns on top of their pyramid and the right puts whites.
Its because organization relating to Palestine has been working for decades, where as Sudan/Myanmar is an issue that only exploded in the past few years.
>>2583069Join the national of islam akhi
>>2583069It's not that the left worships a certain color (or shade for that matter)
Campists are unable to see beyond capitalism, all they're good for is being useful idiots for capitalists. Many leftists are directly backed by said capitalists who cry for 'reform', in this historical epoch the non-western capitalists found their alibi in 'multipolarism' (implying the world hasn't been one for the past century)
I question how any westerner could worship the 'east' when it's a concept invented by orientalists? They don't. Western campists don't see brown workers as humans. Try being brown and criticizing your wholesome dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that slaughters and oppresses you on the daily. The 'color revolution' witch hunt is more evident that westerners don't view us as subjects of history, we are mere conceptions in their grand moral crusade.
Just like the colonial orientalist, the western campist cannot perceive class. For him the 'east' is a monolith with no internal contradictions.
To add to this you just have to look at their new found veneration of Burkina Faso's mercenary-backed Junta
Or their spineless defence of the neoliberal imperialist Russian regime
It was never about color
OMG
The zionist-adjacent loops you are drawing to pass for anti-Israel pro-palestine chauvinism for something that can much more easily be explained:
By the simple fact that indeed, Zionism is mostly rooted (other than Israel) in western, specifically NATO and allied places, and therefore the Palestinian question is necessarily more present and, like everything, warped by the liberal spin on it.
>>2582431>Plus news reporting, journalists making that very bias will write about one more than the other. So it compounds multiplicatively.>the actual reason is that israel exercises a lot of power in the us and the internet and global media in general are all american or downstream from american media>>2582780>As you said events like the Malian army being assraped by jihadists or the killings in Sudan are just business as usual in the American mind.The media can shape what's "important" and what isn't, but it also responds to what gets attention as well because different news outlets compete with each other for traffic. I can tell you that anything involving Africa gets a fraction of the traffic compared to other conflicts. People see anything involving Africa in a headline and they keep scrolling. Now the underlying reasons for that might be a racial bias, but you'll hear Israel's internet soldiers say "but what about Africa, doesn't the Western left care about them" and okay sure but it's not like they give a crap about Africans either.
It might also be a bit different in France. Large parts of Africa speak French. The coups in the Sahel, which were also anti-French, got a lot more attention in France, but in the U.S. it's just another group of military officers.
>>2582518>It's easier to mobilise around Palestine because we've had a lot of practice, due to having the last 80 years to organise around doing it.>>2583101>Its because organization relating to Palestine has been working for decades, where as Sudan/Myanmar is an issue that only exploded in the past few years.Yeah, I think this is a big one. There's a whole organization around it that's been around for many years. It has been shaped by the influence of Palestinian diaspora intellectuals going back decades.
>>2583142>Zionism is mostly rooted (other than Israel) in western, specifically NATO and allied placesThe U.S. and Israel are close allies yeah, and there's a whole military-industrial Praetorian complex and relationship there. Also there's a lot of American Jews for whom it's important (and some whom are harsh critics of it).
Its because Jesus comes from Palestine and westerners, even "atheist" ones are still brainwashed by christpoopiany
I'm not a Zionist so PLEASE don't ban me for this.
I've never understood why the western left places so much significance on Israel-Palestine. There are comrades whose ENTIRE "leftist persona" is Palestine and I've never understood it. Geopolitically speaking, the conflict matters very, very little to global capitalism. This idea that the Arab World can only become socialist if Israel becomes Palestine again is absurd. Saudi Arabia vs. Iran is a much bigger conflict in the SWANA than Israel-Palestine.
>>2583293>Geopolitically speaking, the conflict matters very, very little to global capitalismshalom! +7k shekel were sent to your bank account. yeah i do wonder who runs the banks who is in the heavy metals business despite having no mines and in the diamond business despite having no mines and in the surveillance tech industry and who is the most important western base in the middle east securing chaos and cheap oil i do wonder indeed
>>2583355You do realize those corporations will just move somewhere else if Israel dissolves, right?
bvmp
retarded thread by a retarded person
>>2583374
Is it a genocide though? Why do they let Palestinians live in Israel proper?(Rule 12 - low-quality reactionary content)
>>2582414>Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Its pretty simple really, people care more about palestine because its closer to europe and as such more relevant to westerners than sudan or somalia.
Its like wondering why someone in the congo didn't give a shit about the troubles in northern ireland
>>2583293>I've never understood why the western left places so much significance on Israel-Palestine.The Palestine struggle used to be led by the PLO, socdem nationalists funded by the USSR. It's cold war legacy.
>>2582414People pay more attention to Gaza because their own governments are actively complicit in backing Israel. Sudan is a murkier case because the Russians, al-Qaeda, and other African states are involved. You can protest Gaza because your government has actual leverage over Israel, which isn't the case with Sudan. There is a lot more exposure to Palestine because of cultural ties with Israel (people are constantly asked to apologize for Israel and condemn Hamas). Kashmiris are even more light skinned and "caucasian white-adjacent" than the average Palestinian but the Western left rarely talks about them. Afghans are very light skinned but you saw more people protest the Iraq war than oppose the Afghan one and even leftists treated Afghans as backward savage pedophiles. So its not a simple skin color thing okay.
Palestine has also become a left wing cause in a way Sudan, Somalia, Kashmir etc. have not. Leftists have become pro-Palestine out of herd mentality and there's a generation of Palestinian activists in the West that pander to the woke center left crowd. The Sudanese diaspora is much smaller and not as well connected. Leftists don't give a shit because its not a hot button issue and they are more fixated on how bad NATO is etc. Since Trump came to office, he's ramped up drone strikes in Africa but whenever you see woke center left progressives talk about the War on Terror they use the past tense, as if its all in the past and doesn't happen anymore. Americans and Europeans are generally extremely egocentric and don't care about issues they can't be connected to. There's no obvious connection with Sudan, so they don't care.
There's a kind of third world phobia too. Sudanese and Kashmiris are overhwelmingly rural, socially conservative, and religious Muslims. All of these are things Western wokies hate in their own society (see classist jokes about how retarded rural Americans are and rednecks etc). Even if they hate Hamas, they generally see Palestinians as people who can be romantic noble savage indigenous people who will one day grow up to be progressive, queer, and urban etc. Few Sudanese or Kashmiris speak English and use social media, most are rural farmers etc. so Westoids never see them and dismiss them as dumb hicks.
>>2584563>Sudan is a murkier case because the Russians, al-Qaeda, and other African states are involved.I sure whished communists in Russia would protests against the genocide in Sudan.
I saw that reddit thread in your picrel OP, the comments made me sad honestly. They're acting like the US didn't invade Somalia.
>>2583293the conflict itself is "small" and less important than it used to be but basically all mena crisis revolve around the existence of israel as a point of power projection for imperialism. this was way more obvious when the suez canal was more important but all the recent wars over pipelines are projected out if israel and intended to circumvent this vulnerability. ukraine, venezuela, iran, iraq, afganistan, somalia, libya, yugoslavia, armenia, pakistan. they are all about oil.
and theres also the fact that israel trains cops and special forces. theres sort of a twin thing going on where the cia and mi5 imported a bunch of nazi war criminals(bloodstone not paperclip), special forces was created based on dirlwinger/werewulf, and then it was outsourced to israel very early. thats basically where all of gladio comes from. israel conducted and oversaw the genocide in guatemala for example, and they have twin contribution to things like the school of americas for training death squads. and also israel is used to launder drugs money and weapons for funding terrorism around the world to give the cia plausible deniability. they were a pretty big deal during the cold war for funding and training contras all over africa and were key to south african apartheid, probably their nukes too.
>>2586723The poster was made before the USSR left the Berlin Axis to join the London Axis :)
>>2582514Another aspect is that Palestine is also perceived as one of the most helpless and pure victim conflicts, therefore relatively safe to support.
If resistance ever lot more intense, nevermind led by even milktoast socdems, the support would begin to evaporate very fast.
>>2585273The US fucked over Somalia during the cold war, but the UN aid mission is not an Invasion
>>2586744Heh, Auschwitz was inter-imperialist war
>>2588034Yeah as in Nazis, Soviets and Westoids decided to collectively genocide proles
>>2582459Western governments are directly involved in the Sudanese genocide too sooooo
>>2582471I mean supporting imperialist mass slaughters of the proletariat is 1000% a leftist position, just not a communist one
Most of this board are basically homicidal socdems with too much autisms to fit in around other socdems
>>2588034What else would you call a global conflict between two imperialist camps that ended with the victory of capitalism?
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