Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Again I don’t think most people make this distinction intentionally or out of active racism, it’s just a bias that many groups, including white people and Arabs across the political spectrum, end up participating in without realizing it.
this is true. especially on here, where you just know a certain percentage of the anons are /pol/ "converts" who still retain many of their beliefs in secret
Plus news reporting, journalists making that very bias will write about one more than the other. So it compounds multiplicatively.
Most of Africa is largely ignored by the western world. You don't hear good, bad or even neutral things about anything African.
>>2582435>You don't hear good, bad or even neutral things about anything African.You hear a lot of bad things about the "dictators" there which half the time are US-backed, US-installed in the first place, and the other half of the time are being targeted for a coup because they tried to nationalize something.
>>2582435Adding to this, I'm not sure if it has to do with "Caucasian or white-adjacent" perception, since we do hear quite a bit about Asia for example. I guess the main issue is that Africa is seen as extremely underdeveloped, leading to a lot of people genuinely believing most of them live in huts and shit.
In Asia this perception simply can't happen because there are a ton of highly developed and industrialized countries, like China.
>>2582443Atrocities and genocides happening in the rest of Asia get little attention as well. Even when Western media made a fuss about Uyghurs it was for the same reason as talking about African dictators, which was to manufacture consent. So, no, it is the same.
>>2582443Like
>>2582445 said, the Myanmar civil-war is largely ignored. There might be some sympathy for East Asians, mainly from weebs and koreaboos, but other Asians might as well not exist. Even when the Naxals were fighting the Indian state they were still largely ignored compared to Palestine.
I think this is kind of an online thing to say. The Palestine movement where I live is always highlighting Sudan and has a lot of Sudanese people part of it. Same with Kashmere. This thread is kind of a non-issue at best or a Mossad propaganda at worst.
Thinly-veiled Zionist propaganda thread that weaponizes identity politics. The reason why Palestine features so much in Western alt news is because Western governments are directly involved in the Palestine genocide, lmao
>>2582414Na, I think it’s because our government actively demands loyalty to Israel and there’s endless terrible propaganda pushed on the population to promote said loyalty to Israel. If our politicians treated Israel like Saudi Arabia, you know never really talk about or acknowledge them. And you didn’t have all these Zionist getting on the internet, putting on their biggest yamakas and telling Americans they should be grateful to send them another 30 billion dollars. Sadly I think the genocide would have gone unnoticed.
No retard it's because Israel survives off western backing and by fighting backing it we can end the terror in Palestine.
What the fuck am I meant to do in Sudan or Myanmar?
>>2582414No it's because it's one of the longest ongoing conflicts in modern history, one of the few apartheid states and the only one that still exists and most importantly it is centrally located in what has been the primary battleground of imperialism for the last few decades. Where the maintenance of the situation in Palestine, currently manifesting itself as one of the more advanced militaries in the world bombing tens of thousands of innocent unarmed people to death, is done at the behest of said imperialism. These other countries in Africa do not have the same relevance to imperialism, are usually antiimperialist or sectarian conflict and are thus seen differently. Also Israel is a "liberal democracy" and western ally and the standards should be higher than for failed states and dictatorships, or so we are told by our lib overlords to justify their imperialism in the third world. The refusal to acknowledge the double standard the west has towards Israel exposes their hypocrisy and complicity in what they claim to be against.
I will agree that africa is generally overlooked by western left as a result of lingering racism, but you have to be blind and deaf to think that arabs are somehow seen as white adjacent when they are some of the most dehumanized and racialized people out there, especially the palestinians
>>2582462>antiimperialistmeant to say inter-imperialist here
Somalia, Myanmar and Sudan are more or less third world clusterfucks that concern mainly third world actors. Multipolaritards will accuse you of diversion because they don't know who to support between the heckin wholesome BRICS Egypt/Saudi vs UAE/Wagner that back each of the Sudanese factions while ignoring that China and Russia love Israel. Which they do because they want to pretend to have this historically leftist position about this clear cut issue and really can't cross that line (yet)
>>2582459>>2582454I'm Pakistani and I'm obviously don't want the Palestinian cause to less president, but it's a social dynamic I've seen, not just with Palestine but with the Kurds as well
>>2582414No, this is so stupid. Palestinians are not perceived as white by anyone just as Indians or other Arabs aren't.The reason why Palestine gets more attention is because it started happening very publicly, in no small part because Israel itself made it very public. Meanwhile ethnic cleansings happen all over Africa and they just do it without getting all the media to feel bad for them first. Because they don't care. They don't care because they don't get all that money from America unlike Israel.
>>2582480Westerners don't consider Palestieans to be white, lmao.
>>2582414why don't people give a shit about libya, yemen, syria or armenia then
the actual reason is that israel exercises a lot of power in the us and the internet and global media in general are all american or downstream from american media
>>2582489>>2582500Obviously, they are not perceived as 'white,' but people don't perceive Indians and Black people the same way they would a Palestiean child and I'm telling you it's not Westerners, I see it in my own country
>>2582414>>2582414>Probably my most "Idpol" opinion is that on some subconscious level, people pay more attention to what’s happening in Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. Again I don’t think most people make this distinction intentionally or out of active racism, it’s just a bias that many groups, including white people and Arabs across the political spectrum, end up participating in without realizing it.pali here, i mean yeah its just the truth the darker the population being killed is the more likely westoids are to say "thats just the way they are they just arent developed like us" rich arabs also have this line of thinking idk fuck this world honestly its just so fucking cruel like the shit in sudan, somalia or mali or chad or name any other african 3rd world country just immediately gets dismissed as the norm for those "less developed" populations, that aside palestine is percieved as a "holy land" by all 3 abrahamic religions so westoids are gonna care a bit because of that, im sure jesus wouldve loved military assistance being used to bomb kids keep going "christians"!
>>>2582501>why don't people give a shit about libya, yemen, syria or armenia then its the same forces fucking around with palestine that are fucking around in those countries, us, eu and its greatest ally and their little pawns like azerbaijan or uae or groups financed by them like isis or boko haram ("islamic" groups with western weapons that attack every state in the region except the only non muslim one… yeah sure lol) sorry if i write like a retard i need to smoke in order to numb my mind cuh
>>2582414Why make a thread for this?
>Palestine partly because Palestinians are perceived as more Caucasian or white-adjacent compared with the victims of crises in places like Sudan, Myanmar, or Somalia. It's easier to mobilise around Palestine because we've had a lot of practice, due to having the last 80 years to organise around doing it.
all campists are white supremacists
I remember people realizing the truth about the Obama-era meme about "the neoliberal World Order condemns Somali pirates (who are really just resisting imperialism)"
https://antonyloewenstein.com/what-somali-pirates-explain-about-imperialism/https://www.oceansentry.org/somali-pirates/>>2582424>in secretif that all you gotta do is see if someone uses the term "lumpen" for "thing I dislike"
>>2582424>>2582414retards with 0 knowledge of history just assume random shit on baseless feelz
educate yourselves
>>2582509True. In my country a child from Palestine is considered lesser than a Black person or an Indian, in fact according to my government they are lesser than donkeys.
>>2582514>rich arabs also have this line of thinking idk fuck this worldIronically, most wealthy Arabs, i.e from the Gulf region, are more likely part Indian and or part black
People pay more attention to Palestine because it has been going on for 80 years and police will crack your fucking head open if you speak about it.
>>2582424Yes. This board has a huge antisemitism problem that extends way beyond legitimate criticisms of Israel and the Gaza genocide.
>>2582414Palestine is more western adjacent because Israel is perceived as a western country whereas places like Somalia and Myanmar are "the third world", countries the average American could not find on a map after multiple attempts. There also isn't a massive propaganda apparatus funded by westerners trying to cover up what's happening in those countries. Israel is its own worst enemy in that respect, their hasbara campaign is so bad that most people can see through it and thus cause them to make the opposite intended conclusion.
>>2582759Yeah OP is off base here. Arabs are in the nebulous category of brown to the average American and aside from people who are just open antisemites a lot of the younger pro Palestine crowd are the types who would see proximity to whiteness as a negative. See how many of them insisted that Israel was a white supremacist project because they are too afraid to say the words Jewish supremacist. Its because of the Israel lobby + great power conflict in the Middle East in general getting more coverage because of a combination of 9/11 and it being easy for all parties involved to frame things in religious terms.
As you said events like the Malian army being assraped by jihadists or the killings in Sudan are just business as usual in the American mind.
wtf do I know about Africa to have an opinion and care? The best I can do is not participate and let them figure it out. About Palestine I know because at least a few people told me some things about the situtation. Furthermore, palestine directly affect my rights/liberties etc.
Maybe start making some videos about it and maybe I will bother. Till then, I will keep thinking that its just another neocolonial place that was destroyed by the west and that hopefully China does something in the future to make things better..
>>2582414The attention is partly cos of who is doing it, how long it's been going on and who is paying for it, but you do have a point. The Balkan intervention in the '90s while allowing the Rwandan genocide was a notable example of prioritizing the Eurocentric over the Afrocentric.
>>2582414It might have something to do with it but I think its more that there is a direct and overt connection between US imperialism and Israel, where other conflicts are still funded by the CIA they are non-state actors and dont get high-tech infrastructure sharing research and development and air support or a seat at the UN. They also swap and play both sides in other conflicts because the point is chaos to keep resource extraction cheap. If the congo deathsquads were getting F-35 and Patriot missile deals that propped up the economy of half the states in the US you would probably see more about it.
Also Israel has been and still is used to transfer arms to these types of terrorists like ISIS and their equivalents in the sahel to get around congressional bottlenecks and also in training them so the focus on the tip of the spear is kinda justified.
And also the chaos mentioned means there isn't really an alternative to support, but where their is like with AES they have it, and also you hear less about conflict in that region cause they are fixing it.
If you got rid of Israel they would have to find another hub to transfer arms into MENA and it would reduce these conflicts too but you would still have to deal with AfriCom and ECOWAS bs. But the source of the problem is still the US. I hope you are not implying people should focus on the individual groups that are all proxies of American corporations, whether they know it or not.
>>2582804>Maybe start making some videos about it and maybe I will bother. >i can't be bothered to inform myself on the world unless you make a tiktok about it can't believe how shameless you are to just state this openly
>>2582414Most of the english speaking internet is heavily populated by Americans who have much closer ties to Palestine than those other countries. It makes sense to start up a protest to stop your government from sending weapons out of your tax money or get your university to divest from Israel. That's a tangible goal. What are people supposed to do about Sudan? try to get the UAE sanctioned or certain oligarch's assets seized? It's not something that gets people on the streets and drives a lot of reporting sadly.
It's hard coded into your genes. You only give a shit, at a truly emotional level, for people that look like you. When it comes to the suffering of others, you only have a general humanistic "this is a bad thing" reaction.
>>2582985idk man sounds like a skill issue to me
>>2582985This might make sense in a world of orcs and elves. Says more about you.
>>2582985>It's hard coded into your genes. You only give a shit, at a truly emotional level, for people that look like you. Indeed this is the way Yakub created you; carrying hearts of stone without any shred of human empathy, return to Patmos and cease spreading corruption on the face of the earth oh wretched son of Yakub.
There is no such thing as color blindness. The left puts browns on top of their pyramid and the right puts whites.
>>2583063and I only hate capitalism because it's lame, the actual state of the world is lame and gay, we could be doing a bunch of cool shit under a system not guided by profit but by creativity and instead of that we are stuck watching the line go up on excel sheets.
Its because organization relating to Palestine has been working for decades, where as Sudan/Myanmar is an issue that only exploded in the past few years.
>>2583069Join the national of islam akhi
>>2583069It's not that the left worships a certain color (or shade for that matter)
Campists are unable to see beyond capitalism, all they're good for is being useful idiots for capitalists. Many leftists are directly backed by said capitalists who cry for 'reform', in this historical epoch the non-western capitalists found their alibi in 'multipolarism' (implying the world hasn't been one for the past century)
I question how any westerner could worship the 'east' when it's a concept invented by orientalists? They don't. Western campists don't see brown workers as humans. Try being brown and criticizing your wholesome dictatorship of the bourgeoisie that slaughters and oppresses you on the daily. The 'color revolution' witch hunt is more evident that westerners don't view us as subjects of history, we are mere conceptions in their grand moral crusade.
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