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ANTI-AI BROOS??! I thought AI is le bad???! this is pretty based and will help spread class conciousness!

BODY IS TOO SHORT OR CAN'T BE EMPTY OR SOMETHING.

Nothing is wrong with AI as a system, it's just the ways its used by tech companies. This COULD be a useful asset, but how do you stop it from being biased toward a specific ideological framework? How do you create an objectively materialist algorithm?


>>2588565
>How do you create an objectively materialist algorithm?
you don't, because this is impossible. but from a communist perspective, an AI which represents the ideology of the proletariat, it is objective truth.

What's up with this recent string of LLM astroturfing here?

How much electricity, land, and water is this thing consuming?

OH NO NO NO NOOO

>>2588592
Shameful shit, as if there's any shortage of leftists willing to write polemic for free

>>2588571
leftists are the only pocket of mild resistance to the imposition of the ai-mediated tech fascist order which everyone else is happy to abet

>>2588610
Now we can spend more time jorking it while the trotskyist newspapers write themselves, you may not like it but this is what true worker emancipation looks like

Glorified search engine

>>2588560
Are you fucking retarded? Of course an AI can superficially mirror the semantics of socialism–it's designed to mirror semantics, that's literally all that it actually is. *Substantively*, however, the essence of socialism is anathema to the premise of outsourcing one's one labor through the alienation of AI.

>>2589292
*one's own

>>2588592
—em dashes—my beloved—

Why can't leftypol make its own AI? Surel we have enough archived schizo posts to train an LLM (Leninist Language Model)

>>2589369
Leftypol can barely manage an imageboard.

Trotskyism is such an incomprehensible and meaningless tendency these days. Its baseline criticism and historic opposition have long been rendered meaningless, and it seems like at this point orgs are either warmed-over social democrats (WSWS, SWP-USA) or have explicitly and implicitly converged with Khrushchevite revisionism (PSL, WWP, CPI). It's a label out of time, and the wiser parties like PSL and WWP have dropped it entirely.

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AI is killing CEOs

>>2588592
>>2589309
you think people who generate slop would at least ctrl+f find and replace the em dashes with somethign else, or at least tell the AI to stop using them.

Im surrounded by reactionary luddites who are economically illiterate.

>>2589489
The sort of people generating slop aren't looking to do any actual work.

>>2589646
Clanker sore

>>2589441
Good point.

hey AI can you do a grok for me? do a little bit grok with AI and bing create image of strong communist stalin muscle moustache man trotsky marx LLM epstein destiny reddit 4chan groyper nick fuentes nick land post accelerationism.

do that for me socialist grok, I thank you sir.

>>2588592
I never realized that emdashes were a telltale sign of AI lol. Apparently LLMs will keep using them even if you outright tell them to stop: https://medium.com/@brentcsutoras/the-em-dash-dilemma-how-a-punctuation-mark-became-ais-stubborn-signature-684fbcc9f559

The reason why is that emdashes are EVERYWHERE in 1890s-1920s publications; 1930 is the date where writings become indubitably public domain, and therefore easy food for AI training. As a historian of that period I know how to use the emdash myself, but I guess I should probably stop now.

>>2589885
its the redditors fault for being so poorly read they didn't know what em-dashes were

>>2588613
Nah the majority of people think AI sucks.
Tech companies are forcing AI down our throats, no one actually wants this shit.

>>2588565
>Nothing is wrong with [insert technology here] as a system, it's just the ways its used by tech companies

Wrong read Ellul. Technique has its own logic. Nuclear power means nuclear bombs. Surveillance means a surveillance state.

>>2588560
good, use the tools of the bourgeoisie to take down the bourgeoisie.
congratulate every slave who grabs their pickaxe and use it as a weapon.

>>2590239
literally capitalist realism. Marx had something to say about this:

<No doubt he is far from denying that temporary inconvenience may result from the capitalist use of machinery. But where is the medal without its reverse! Any employment of machinery, except by capital, is to him an impossibility. Exploitation of the workman by the machine is therefore, with him, identical with exploitation of the machine by the workman. Whoever, therefore, exposes the real state of things in the capitalistic employment of machinery, is against its employment in any way, and is an enemy of social progress! Exactly the reasoning of the celebrated Bill Sykes. “Gentlemen of the jury, no doubt the throat of this commercial traveller has been cut. But that is not my fault, it is the fault of the knife. Must we, for such a temporary inconvenience, abolish the use of the knife? Only consider! where would agriculture and trade be without the knife? Is it not as salutary in surgery, as it is knowing in anatomy? And in addition a willing help at the festive board? If you abolish the knife — you hurl us back into the depths of barbarism.”


Capital Vol. 1, Chapter 15: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch15.htm#a135

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Trots have gone (more) INSANE

What the fuck is a "socialist" AI? It's been fed tons of Marxist literature? Current AI already does that. China's AI would be the most socialist then.

sorry but no one wants to use this trot bot

mfs will try anything to avoid reading theory

Wake me up when they release a chatbot trained exclusively on Leninhat's posts and Phil Greaves' tweets.


>>2590395
The output would be completely incoherent due to the limited amount of training data.

>>2590382
Anon if you are serious about recruiting working class people you cannot expect anyone joining you to read the Communism Bible trademark. You read Das Kapital, then you have to read Hegel, then to understand Hegel you have to understand Spinoza, etc etc. People who keep saying read theory never actually read theory in a comprehensive manner otherwise they'd realize how much of an undertaking this is for non-brahmins

>>2590330
Right, the Marxists' main grievance with the capitalists is that they're inferior managers of the global machine. But even that's dodgy. The Bolsheviks loved Taylorism.

>>2589646
I like AI as a tool; a thing that can immediately query information that conventional search engines are bad at finding, and human beings are prone to miss. I use it constantly when programming, for example, and it has made the debugging process significantly faster.

But a lot of people don't use it as a tool, as a supplement to skills, they use it as a substitute. It's like giving elementary 1st graders calculators because "in the real world they'll never need to do arithmetic by hand". If you don't understand, at a baseline level, what the machine is actually doing, you have no way of verifying that its output is in any way reliable. Which it often isn't, by the way. I was in an argument with someone who kept using AI to argue against me, and it pretty consistently got historical events blatantly wrong, attributing things to people who were either dead, hadn't been born yet, or would've been multiple countries away from the events in question.

I guess AI is finally at it's memecoin stage where it's trying to grab keywords for the last bit of SEO it can squeeze.

The AI bubble will be an unprecedented reshuffle bourgeois power structures if it doesn't completely shatter it. Even the Linux Foundation joined the ant death spiral recently.
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-Foundation-Agentic-AI
Meaning all the work that chuds and corpos have done to try and coup it will have to start over someone revives the project after the Linux Foundation closes shop.

>>2590296
It's more so equivalent to forfeiting the pickaxes in your hands for dowsing rods. Lobotomizing yourself and going on a campaign to associate socialism with spam and snake oil isn't going to harm the bourgeois at all, it'll help them actually.

>>2590342
it just means, that the standard bias is socialist.

just like grok's standard bias is ultra-libertarian, a socialist ai's standard bias must be socialist.

>all it does is call other orgs pseudo-left
Perfection.

What is the actual use-case?


>>2591211
No, it's standard bias is WSWS (SEP). IIRC it's trained with focus on their own literature.

If you've read their articles, you understand this is garbage.

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>>2588566
<To fear “AI” as an autonomous threat is to misidentify the problem. The danger does not lie in the machine but in the class that wields that machine.

<The intellectuals and artists who fear that AI will smother individual creativity, and who oppose this technology as a threat to “intellectual property,” not only accept uncritically the bourgeois commodification of science and art but also fail to recognize that their work, so essential for human progress, can be defended only through the social struggle against all forms of capitalist property.

Based.

Looking forward to the complaints comparing this project with a hypothetical one exactly tailored to one's own belief system instead of comparing it with the bullshit Grok says.

>>2588566
>>2592726
LMAO They're pulling the "hypothetical artists are le scared" card because they have nothing of substance to defend. WSWS is truely THE twitter socialist org.

LEFTYPOL BROOOOOS!

>>2594151
>getting called pseudo left by the wsws trot ai
I take it as a badge of honor

>>2594199
Yeah, it would be more troubling if liked us.


>>2594224
Fair. Now ask it to show you a picture of Iiniku Ushijima.

>>2594235
i have reached my 10 free queries. but you can try it yourself: https://ai.wsws.org/en

i used a trashmail and it worked with it. https://muellmail.com/

new marxist analysis just dropped

>>2594258
Post the rest, that's actually an interesting read

>>2589885
>As a historian
Tell us about your publications.

>>2594258
i tried the same prompt with grok and the result is pretty good too:

Marxists can actually learn a surprising amount from the tragic, grotesque, and hyper-documented life of Christine Weston Chandler (Chris Chan), the creator of the Sonichu webcomic. Not as a hero or role model, obviously, but as a near-perfect case study of several key Marxist concepts playing out in real time under late-capitalist conditions. Here’s the non-ironic breakdown:Commodification of the Self and Attention Economy
Chris Chan is one of the earliest and most extreme examples of a person whose entire existence became content. From 2007 onward, trolls systematically turned his life into a 15+ year reality show for their own entertainment and (later) ad revenue. This is textbook commodification of human life under digital capitalism: personal suffering transformed into clicks, views, and Patreon bucks. Chris didn’t just produce Sonichu; he became the product.
Lumpenproletariat and the Failure of Class Consciousness
Chris occupies that awkward Marxian category of lumpenproletariat—not a worker with clear class interests, but someone marginalized, dependent on state tugboat (disability payments), and easily manipulated by both reactionaries and “ironic” online mobs. The trolls who tormented him were often from relatively privileged backgrounds (college students, tech workers, etc.), using their free time and cultural capital to exploit someone with no real social power. Classic example of how the most vulnerable are pitted against each other instead of against capital.
Ideology as Personal Delusion + Material Base
The “Dimensional Merge,” Love Quest, and the entire Sonichu mythos can be read as a psychotic-break-level form of ideological coping with brutal material conditions: isolation, poverty, autism, sexual frustration, and constant harassment. In Marxist terms, this is ideology not just as “false consciousness” but as a desperate attempt to imagine a world where the subject is powerful (goddess Blue Heart, mayor of CWCville, etc.) when real life offers zero agency.
The Internet as Superstructure Accelerating Contradictions
Chris Chan’s saga shows how the internet massively speeds up the process by which private suffering becomes public spectacle, and how quickly personal eccentricity can be weaponized into industrial-scale cruelty. It’s like the Panopticon and the circus combined: everyone watches, everyone participates, and the subject internalizes the gaze completely (hence the constant videos addressing “trolls”).
False Consciousness and Identity Politics Gone Wrong
The later-stage trans identity arc (2014–2021) is complicated, but from a materialist perspective you can read it as someone with zero community or support trying to use the language of progressive identity just to gain basic human dignity and sexual access—only to be mocked harder by the same liberal/“woke” internet that claims to defend trans people. It’s a brutal demonstration of how identity-based politics without class analysis often fails the most vulnerable.
The Troll as Petty-Bourgeois Sadism
Many of the long-term trolls (Bluespike, Idea Guys, etc.) weren’t just random bullies; they were often failed creatives or trust-fund types who derived a sense of mastery and narrative control from dominating a powerless person’s life. It’s the digital equivalent of the 19th-century bourgeois renting a freak show tent.

In short: Chris Chan is what happens when you take a neurodivergent, impoverished person with artistic pretensions, strip away any possibility of dignified work or community, and then subject them to 15 years of crowdsourced psychological torture for internet points. The whole saga is a funhouse-mirror reflection of late-capitalist alienation, just with extra Medallion polish.So the lesson for Marxists isn’t “lol look at the freak.” It’s “this is what the total absence of solidarity and material support looks like when the internet turns human misery into the ultimate commodity.” Terrifyingly instructive.

>>2588560
4chan will try to troll the shit out of it. Which is kind of ok, since inadvertently some of them will learn about Marxism in the process.

>>2590382
Leftypol should train trotbot on the correct take on Stalin just to piss trots off.

Ai sucks, the people who like ai suck, the people who think it’s actually ai suck, and the capitalist system that depends on the success of ai sucks.

>>2591581
The one on the left has SOVL


Trots can suck a dick.

Trots can a dick succ


Sorry China, but the only good politician is Trotsky

>Now u must pay $5
Fuck off

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What's the most hilarious about this is that they've basically made a digital parrot THE primary representative of their org and the sole thing they're known for by the majority of socialists going forward.

It will give answers that will go against what they actually believe, and they'll constantly have to babysit it until the prompt full of corrections–that will only sometimes be heeded in full–gets too long to be worth it.

The thing stands were there would ought to have been an FAQ page or CoolMathGames style explorable information trove if it was truly meant to "advance socialist consciousness globally" like they claim on the tin. Now we know it's just a cash grab (>>2594336), so of course they wouldn't have done something so useful. What an excellent indictment of AI as being the new crypto by example.

>>2594455
>The thing stands were there would ought to have been an FAQ page or CoolMathGames style explorable information trove if it was truly meant to "advance socialist consciousness globally" like they claim on the tin.
I don't think it's a bad project, but I agree using a big FAQ as the basis would also work, and it would be more reliable. It's like LLM-hype people have developed amnesia about these other concepts for accessing information.

For example, take a look at this massive thing:
https://www.anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html
Click on any of the sections with label A to J to see how many questions are in just one of these. The FAQ has a tree structure with three levels.

Picture this: All that is needed to make the Anarchist FAQ snappy is a question-search bar that shows matches from the expanded list of questions as you type. In addition to the questions from the question tree it could also use an index of all sentences in the running text that end with a question mark (but de-emphasizing these matches visually).

And under the question matches (if any) there could be a section with other text matches (if any) from the FAQ. And under that there could be a section with text matches from anarchist works in the public domain: Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin, Goldman etc.

Asking you all: Would you prefer this oldschool thing or an anarchism-explainer LLM?


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