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Should India be balkanized? Could that fix it?

>As of 2025, 22 languages have been classified as scheduled languages under the Eighth Schedule to the Constitution of India.[1] There is no national language of India.

India is an illegitimate Hindu Supremacist state

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>>2592586
Yes Comrade, in the future Global USSR that will be created after either the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism (which completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System and allows for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR) or the Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism (which will have a Social Democratic Imperial Core where UBI allows for Income to be divorced from employment after the 4th Industrial Revolution Automates most of the workforce combined with the Hyper-Rationalization of the Superstructure through the legalization of all Victimless Crimes like Abortion, Birth Control, Pornography, Sex Work/Prostitution, LGBTQIA+, Drug use, Gun ownership, etc. and a Non-Interventionist Foreign Policy that accepts Multipolarity, unites with a Maoist Periphery/Semi-Periphery, where Maoist PPWs swept away all Bourgeois Comprador and Imperialist governments after the 4th Industrial Revolution Automated Global Supply Chains and Reshored them back to the Imperial Core and the Green Energy Revolution shut down all Oil/Gas production worldwide, thus collapsing the economies of all Sweatshop countries and Petrostates, to create a Global USSR), with both Shining Paths to Communism (the Global Nuclear War Shining Path to Communism will happen if Trump uses the Insurrection act to declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and inevitably launch World War III against China, while the Social Democratic/UBI/4th Industrial Revolution/AI/Multipolar Shining Path to Communism will occur if Trump dose not permanently suspend Liberal Bourgeois Democracy and a Left-Liberal Democrat like Newsom/AOC wins the 2028 U$ Presidential Election) resulting in the Naxalites winning their Maoist PPW to overthrow the Hindutva Fascist Indian State, and create a Socialist Federation in South Asia (which will eventually join the future Global USSR) that will Balkanize the fake country of India (an artificial creation of the British Empire that is essentially a Hindutva Fascist Prison House of Nations with no Ethnic/National/Linguistic basis, and thus completely fails to meet Stalin’s definition of the Nation as “a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture”) on Ethno-Linguistic lines, by giving every major Ethnic group/Nation their own SSR according to the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , which will result in the creation of a Hindi SFSR, Kashmiri SSR, Punjabi SSR, Pashtun SSR, Baloch SSR, Sindhi SSR, Gujarati SSR, Marathi SSR, Konkani SSR, Kannada SSR, Malayalam SSR, Tamil SSR, Telegu SSR, Odia SSR, Bengali SSR, Nepali SSR, Assamese SSR, Nissi SSR, Ao SSR, Manipuri SSR, Khasi SSR, and Mizo SSR of the Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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Wouldn’t that make it a balkanization of another balkanization?

>>2592586
World needs less tiny countries waging war against each other over land and resources.

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>>2592692
It's India tho, they'd still be very big countries.

If they went completely secular and communist like China, I can see it working like China makes all their diverse ethnic groups and cultures work for the most part, but I don't know with India. TBF I'm not really an expert on their political system and how the states and groups interact there except for all the scandals that get into the news like India assassinating the Sikh leaders in Canada and etc.

Make Kerala annex the rest of India

Leftypollers talk about abolishing borders and all humans being brothers while wishing for balkanisation of every large countries into a gazilllion ethno states

>>2592713
Smaller countries tend to have better standards of living and GDP per capita.

https://valdaiclub.com/a/highlights/the-success-of-small-countries-or-what-is-wrong/

>>2592713
>people have opinions that i don't like
>on the internet!
Hope you're enjoying the stay newfriend!

>>2592696
But like I said, maybe if it is a country like China or maybe the USSR that will pump development into the backwaters, I don't really know if it's beneficial. As an American, or federal government is shit. Everyone hates it. All they do is make us pay for invading the whole world. DC is it's own entity, and they don't even reflect the country but they control us.

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>>2592718
And the Euros are still officially different countries, but I hear non-stop complaining about "Brussels."

>>2592713
that's just a couple vocal retards on here. Most socialists aren't that stupid, especially in actual socialist countries where people are normal like China and Vietnam.

>>2592723
Why shouldn't Vietnam and China be in the same country?

>>2592713
uhhh that's out of nowhere lmao. But I'll bite.
The whole point of communism is the eventual abolition of these explicit distinctions between nations etc. It's a universalist and humanist viewpoint. But we're at point A and Communism (as a goal or however you want to think of it) is at point Z so we have to traverse that path step by step.

It's very uncommon to actually see any leftists arguing about "abolishing borders" it's almost always seen as a strawman on fox news or whatever. Different places with different governmental systems that have been historically inherited have, for the time being, borders that are necessary to enforce sovereignty and the laws that are required to run a society that keeps people alive.

There are super "radical" (stupid) "leftists" that want to abolish every hierarchical construct immediately but they're just angry anarchist idealists who don't understand how historical progression actually works.

>>2592724
>>2592729

Also, to deconstruct the concept of China and Vietnam being "different" and not the "same", understand that they still have many things in common, including requirements to follow international law etc. Just because they're different "countries" doesn't mean they don't ebb and flow into each other, that they don't depend on each other, nor that they can do whatever they want.

There are degrees of freedom bestowed by the level of sovereignty we understand a place to have when it is internationally recognized as a "country". But even then, that freedom is limited. There are, in actual material reality, no true perfectly delineated nations, ethnicities, races, etc etc.

>>2592732
>>2592729
>>2592724

Also just to really drive home what I said

>borders are historically inherited


I say this because literally everything is historically inherited, with context. The political economies you see today (different borders, different constitutions etc) are the result of emergent phenomena that were hyper-contingent on the material modes of survival that came before.

True marxist thought is not obsessed with the "moral injustice" of these imperfect, inherited processes and mechanism, but is only focused on their improvement over time.

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>>2592737
And at one pooint countries like Vietnam and China were one country. The current map is completely arbitrary.

>>2592742
Cultures and languages evolve and split up with the times so naturally also borders change.

>>2592747
But the fact is that many countries which arecseperate are more linguistically and culturally similar than whatever region conquered or added by colonialists.

>>2592742
>>2592737
I mean I wouldn't say completely arbitrary but I agree that there are aspects of borders and such that happen just because

>>2592748
Like China and Vietnam are more similar than many regions in India and even regions in China.

>>2592748
In the age of nuclear wespons this nationalism problem is a serious issue. Some kind of universal monoculture is needed in order for humanity to survive.

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>>2592685
“India” is a Fake country created by the British Empire with absolutely Zero Ethnic/National/Linguistic basis that completely fails to meet Stalin’s definition of the Nation as “a historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture”, due to the fact that for the vast majority of its history, the territory that is today called “India” was made up of dozens of Feudal Kingdoms due to the massive Ethno-Linguistic and Genetic/Racial diversity of South Asia, which is largely a mixture of mostly Caucasoid Indo-Aryans in the North and partially Australoid Dravidians in the South, with the former being descended from Indo-European migrations to the subcontinent 3500 years ago, and latter being the remnants of the Indus Valley Civilization that mixed with indigenous Veddid Australoid Hunter-Gatherers (This is seen in the Second and Third of the 4 In-depth Charts of Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with various Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions (ie. Germanic, Slavic, Italic/Romance, Celtic, Baltic, Graeco-Albanian/Balkanic, Armenian, Iranian, Indo-Aryan, etc.) across various Indo-European and Non-Indo-European speaking populations in Europe, West Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Siberia, South Africa, and the Americas, in comparison to various Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components associated with Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions, along with a Chart of the Autosomal DNA Ancestry Makeup of each of the Indo-European and Non-Indo-European Ethno-Linguistic groups/subdivisions shown in the first 4 Charts, based on the proportion of Indo-European Steppe and Non-Steppe Autosomal DNA Ancestry Components, with all of these charts coming from the same video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FJaTRFojJg of “The History of Indo-European Peoples, Languages and Ancestry from 5000 BC to 2025 AD” that cites 33 Academic articles published on Population Genetics, ✊😜🧬!), with the Vedic Hindu religion built on a Racist Caste system that put Caucaosid Indo-Aryans on top (ie. The priestly Brahmins) and partially Australoid Dravidians on the bottom (ie. The “Untouchables”/Dalits), that was very similar to what the Spanish Conquistadors did in Latin America to the Native Americans or what the U$ Southern Crackers did to Blacks/New Afrikans during Slavery/Jim Crow, and these massive Ethnic/Linguistic/Racial divides combined with the vast land area and inefficient technology from a Feudal Mode of production are the material reasons why none of the so-called “Indian” Empires like the Mauryans, Guptas, and even the Mughals were ever able to unify the entire territory that is now called “India” (This is the complete opposite of China which is a Nation-State that is extremely Ethnically/Linguistically/Racially Homogeneous due to it being 91% Han Chinese, and has been unified in all of the Han Chinese majority regions of China proper for over 2200 years since the Qin Shi Haung became the first Emperor in 221 BC, with this extreme unity being proven by the fact that whenever a Chinese dynasty fell, the core of China proper would always be rapidly reunified within a century or two at most, while India was never fully unified at any point before the British Raj due to its inherent lack of a cohesive Ethnic/Linguistic/National basis), with this feat not being accomplished until the British Empire came and violently subjugated the entire region with the weapons of Industrial warfare in order to extract their natural resources and cheap labor and integrate them into the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, with the current Comprador Bourgeois Hindutva Fascist Indian State currently serving the same role of exploiting the natural resources and cheap labor of “India” for the benefit of Western Multinational Corporations in the Imperial despite the purported independence of “India”, 😂🤣🤢🤮!

By the way, what do my fellow Comrades think of my In-depth Dialectical Materialist Effort Post at >>2592640 on why “India” will be Balkanized on Ethno-Linguistic lines once the Naxalites win their Maoist PPW against the Comprador Bourgeois Hindutva Fascist Indian State in accordance with the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️🤔?

>>2592751
Interesting point, and I actually agree somewhat. Each individual human can operate within multiple cultures and modes of customs so it's not that this "mono-culture" would erase all local subcultures or even nationalities.

And honestly I already sort of see that happening with the internet. Even the UN is playing a role in promoting universalist ethics and a shared global sense of community.

>>2592755
>This is the complete opposite of China which is a Nation-State that is extremely Ethnically/Linguistically/Racially Homogeneous due to it being 91% Han Chinese

I think they're lying on the census dawg. Maybe the genetic studies would prove me wrong but I highly doubt china is as "homogenous" as you say

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>>2592758
It's probably true, but what is the explanation why land that has no Han there should be part of the same Han-ethno-state. Almost like they got conquered or something and not even settled.


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