Why is the OG Jason motherfucking Unruhe, a maoist and anti-imperialist, the only one who hasn't fallen into the depths of ""multipolarism"". It's the trick just to read? He still a socdem but I can respect him.
This sort of critique is more common than you think with Maoists. Multipolarity is just a meme for newfags who haven't read Marx or Lenin and people who are desperately looking for a cope to the fact that there's no communist movement.
Because Maoism is an opportunist trend that refuses to analyze the real change in world conditions.
>>2593158
Sex
Maoists spitting on the vanguard of the anti-fascist struggle really doesn't help their defense against the "jungle trot" accusations.
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>>2593158
Damn I hate foot fetishists
who was this elite 1% who were getting 4-6% of the wealth in Soviet Russia? I guess it makes sense if you have a fuck ton of kids and a very prestigious job to get 6x wages. Is there any information about this?
>>2593174Trotskyism is when you know how to read
>>2593185There was wage disparity between professions. Iirc, labourers in hazardous heavy industry such as miners and stevedores would be paid significantly sizeable salaries, far more than say, a shop assistant or school teacher. Ballet performers and other high profile figures within the popular arts would also be paid big salaries.
Economic disparity of the top 1% owning 5% of the wealth can be explained by wage differentials - earning around 5 times the average wage being the extent of those differences.
Authors in the USSR got massive incomes from royalties.
>>2593191>>2593192Yes I know not everyone got paid the same. Hazardous work makes sense to get higher pay but why ballerinas? I suppose it was because of how tough and demanding on the body it was, kinda like hazardous mining lol. Or maybe the apparatchiks just loved ballet and wanted the best lol.
>>2593260My understanding was that this was more of a western SRs thing and not so much Russia.
>>2593152At least he’s principled about anti-imperialism unlike anons here. But this anti-imperialism obsession is bullshit. It's more counterproductive than useful for actually building socialism focusing instead on 3rd world nationalism.
>>2593312Cause they were really popular I suppose? Also an element of disincentivising them for running off to earn far more in New York or Paris
>>25931521. back to isg with you retad
2. nobody here 'worship putin'
3. mulipolarism isnt 'liking putin'
>>2593152>He still a socdemThis means he is pro american imperialism, you answered your own question.
>>2593318>this anti-imperialism obsession is bullshitSame vibe as when zios cry about "Israel obssesed people".
How fucking brave of this dude to join in the chorus of the entire Western media establishment in demonizing Russia whilst Russian soldiers are on the front lines dying for the liberation of their country from fascist occupation.
>>2593411>Russian soldiers are on the front lines dying for the liberation of their countryLmao they seem to lost their way to another country while going there.
Probably my only 'ultraleftist' opinion I actually hold is that the harder your work the more you get paid. Factory workers should be paid more than managers, coal miners paid more than upper level party officials.
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He's studying to be a psychologist or psychiatrist or something.
>jason accusing anyone of not being able to get laid
>still posts a bunch of shit in support of the DPRK
>the DPRK supports Russia
>can't put two and two together
sad
>>2593152Imperialism = First Worldism
Multipolarity = Second Worldism
Maoism = Third Worldism
He shills Iran which actively executes socialists and communists.
>>2594178One can support the internal economic structure of a country without supporting its foreign policy (or its justification of such).
The Russian government is made up of traitors to the USSR, liberals and other scum & degenerates (who will all have to be publically executed by any serious communist movement that takes power). They serve to shore up capitalism in Russia and the (contradictory) interest of its bourgeoisie. This includes includes the imperial ventures in a variety of theatres (not just Ukraine; Consider ths prior intervention in Kazakhstan).
As such I strongly support the DPRK squeezing the Russian government like a sucker for all its worth.
I do not support however the narrative justifying it on the basis of some anti-imperialist nonsense. Its sufficient to see that two enemies are fighting and to take advantage. That's realpolitik.
>>2593411>Russian soldiers are on the front lines dying for the liberation of their country from fascist occupation?????????????????
Unruhe isn't necessarily wrong. Being a communist and treating multipolarity as the end goal rather than a stepping stone means you lack the ambition and imagination to strive for true communist internationalism.
>>2593152Supporting post-USSR Russia as a communist is peak cuck behavior.
>>2594554spoken like a true terminally online polyp
>>2595367>terminally onlineAll it requires is knowing anything about the post-USSR economic shock therapy + Putin's political history.
If anything all the Russia-supporting westerners are terminally online, you don't encounter them IRL.
>>2595784Plenty of posters here go beyond muh realpolitik and you know it. There's plenty of support but it's not "critical".
Unlike China which is at least claiming to be pursuing a socialist project, Russia is an openly oligarchic capitalist hellhole.
And it exists that way because of western intervention, it is fundamentally a project of western imperialism. That's why supporting it is cuck behavior. Just because it's blowing up in the west's face doesn't make it worthy of support, in the same way you wouldn't support ISIS.
>>2595784You can add as many adjectives and adverbs to your ‘support’, it does not matter. You are no head of state, you are no diplomat. You are neither rich jew, nor influential sheikh. You have no power, no relevance. Your own mother thinks you are deluded and you would be better off making money. Change course (critically) before it is (unconditionally) too late.
>>2595823I want multipolarity so the PRC and EU can join together to destroy the Washington-Moscow-Tel Aviv-New Delhi Axis
>>2595823Correct.
Multipolarism is not communism. It is the nAtural chapter after the chapter of undisputed American Mono-Rule (1990 to 2030-ish). Among the many poles, some will be a bit more imperialist, others a bit more socialist. Some will be quite culturally reactionary, some will be rather progressive.
Interesting times coming…
>>2595850You have zero understanding of anything if you think that can happen. Your teachers are disappointed in you.
>>2594465>I support the one part that appeals to me>not their actions or decisionsWhat a brainless fuckwit take. Don't expect any thanks for your ""support"".
>>2595852Okay fine I want the BRI to prevail over the IMEC, does that sound better to you? Russia is the wildcard here tbh, they're going to get into the IMEC through Israel and the current Trump dealings
>>2595857you talk but you say nothing
>>2595848you have pivoted from calling it "cuck" behavior to calling it "irrelevant" behavior. Nice goalpost shift. I am just vaguely excited to see America's plans in eastern europe fail. Such a shame it had to cost so many lives. Notice how you had no comments on the attached image either.
>>2595851>some will be rather progressive. And some not.
>>2600048yeah that's the whole point of using the word 'some' you imbecile
>>2593192>Ballet performers and other high profile figures within the popular arts would also be paid big salariesLul the only remotely nostalgic for soviet era person I've met in USA was a ballet dancer and this explains it. His family got out after '91
>>2593152Maoist socdem?
Have you been hanging at my DSA meetings?
These liberals in cosplay are the worst.
>>2594178Jason is truly and famously braindead
>>2600271the chris chan of communism
no one gives a fuck about russia or pooptin they care about nato in siberia emboldening the americans to close the strait of malacca
>>2593152Ah I see our resident anti-campists are now dragging out any old lolcow.
A couple of weeks ago Unruhe was having a breakdown and giving up making videos because he realised he was making no difference.
Also believing multi-polarism is a positive world development has nothing to do with liking Putin or Russia. It’s similar to how WW2 was a positive development towards ending the British Empire and freeing its colonies from direct imperial rule. Russia can never hope to replace the US/NATO as even a hemispheric hegemon so the “anti-campist” pearl clutching is quite revealing of their liberal western ideology.
>>2593340>le ziosImagine thirdoids defending their hitlerite faggotry without resorting to moralism every single time
>>2595367>terminally onlineI have never seen a single russia shill that appears to have ever touched a woman
You’re so fucking online you actually think Russia shilling is common irl holy shit 😂😂😂
>reductio ad copulation
>>2600408>cant even recognize whats being criticized is the polyp tier post "muh commie cucks", obsessed with spamming reactionary sexual slurs and completely detached from any actual analysis or the slightest hint of understanding of the criticized positionyup, terminally online shitposter behavior, cant even recognize how this simply isnt discourse but typical nafo twitter signaling and latching on the assumed position of someone daring to critic the signal to defend any pro nato posting
>>2595793>Plenty of posters here go beyond muh realpolitik and you know it. There's plenty of support but it's not "critical".look at that clown who decided as his enemies werent close enough to his strawman, to simply declare them identical to it and simply ignore their actual position.
>Russia is an openly oligarchic capitalist hellholeand then he reiterate his stupid point, as if it was relevant at all to the actual arguments presented by his opponents. Good thing he has redefined his opponent position, or else it would be obvious he is simply a moron missing the point and incapable of analysis and theory discussion.
>That's why supporting it is cuck behaviorthis is the level of discourse of the pro nato people
>you wouldn't support ISIS.<a state fighting the US empire and challenging its hegemony directly is equivalent to a bunch of crazed hyper religious armed militias fucking mostly with the US enemies in a zone they had devastated and maintaining it weak and fractured, directly serving their plansevery time they try an actual argument, here a comparison, its just funny how bad it is and how easy it is to dismantle
>>2593152>homophobic loser who can't get laidi know he said he's been having sexual relations with his male roommate for some years now because no woman would date him, but this is a weird way to project and insult jackson hinkle
>>2595854In context, the words "I support" here means that "I am in agreement with" not "I give material resources to". Hence no reciprocation of any kind is expected.
I will admit though I am a bit surprised that you couldn't figure that out, dear enemy. I guess not everyone here is a worthy enemy like Gaynazi. Some are just plain degenerate.
>>2594240Maoism = bogged-in-a-jungle-for-decades-ism
he was gay, Gary Cooper?!
>>2601889>The Ukrainian people are fighting back against the occupier to defend their national sovereignty — Ukrainians are not passive chess pieces forthe Americans
Modern maoism is my favorite form of comedy, though I think they should stick to reviewing Shrek movies
>>2601893Interesting that you cut out the last part of that sentence in order to frame RK as uncritically supporting Ukraine in this:
>yet the Americans are no doubt exploiting the Ukrainian resistance toadvance their own imperialist interests in Ukraine and weaken their rival Russia.
>… we do not support the game of US imperialism to expand the war into amajor imperialist war against Russia.
RK's point is that the primary responsibility of communists is to turn imperialist war into revolutionary civil war. Maoism is, at present, the only tendency which has taken armed struggle seriously and is making good on that responsibility worldwide. WAP's social fascist reformism has produced nothing but cute photo ops for western "communists" to pretend they're relevant next to an eclectic mix of reformists and opportunists.
>>2601902There is no "Ukrainian resistance". Ukrainians are either fleeing the country by the million or are violently press-ganged into a hopeless struggle on the behest of US-EU-NATO capital even though Ukraine could have accepted quite mild and reasonable Istanbul terms of handing over territories Ukraine had no control over in the first place. There's essentially zero popular resistance including on Russia-occupied territories, the populace is alienated and demoralized.
Just the fact that RK believes in this Marvel bollocks about wholesome ukrainians struggling for sovereignty is enough to discredit the rest of the text.
>>2601919>There is no "Ukrainian resistance">There's essentially zero popular resistanceDo you honestly believe that the war is being purely sustained by forced conscription and foreign weaponry? This is a take on the level of NAFOids who claim popular support of Putin's administration is simply manufactured and that election results in Russia are all made up. This is not to say forced conscription isn't a thing, the Ukrainian regime is at this point in a truly desperate situation with Russia having succeeded in breaking down the political will of western imperialist forces to continue backing Ukraine, but national discontent with the western-aligned regime is not the same as a lack of interest in resisting Russia's invasion, let alone support for it. If you look at what these people are actually saying, it ranges from exhaustion (a broken will to fight) to accusations that the regime has mismanaged the war effort and failed to defend the nation. The Ukrainian nation is one that very much exists for itself, and will fight to ensure its right to self-determination. On that note:
>Ukraine could have accepted quite mild and reasonable Istanbul terms of handing over territories Ukraine had no control over in the first place.This is a patently absurd statement. These regions became part of Ukraine during the Soviet era for a very good reason, despite the claims of Russian imperialists and their apologists. They ensured, in the spirit of the right of secession and self-determination granted by the Soviet constitution, that Ukraine would not end up in a state of economic dependence on Russia if they ever sought independence. This was correct then, and these regions remain critical economic regions that the Ukrainian state and nation have every reason to want to hold on to. Russia taking these regions from them is both robbing them of critical ports and resources, and putting Ukraine in a position of neo-colonial economic dependence. This has been the overall aim of the Russian bourgeoisie from the start, with talk of "anti-fascism" being comically empty rhetoric as United Russia continues rehabilitating Russian fascists and czarists in the same spirit as the Ukrainian fascists.
>Just the fact that RK believes in this Marvel bollocks about wholesome ukrainians struggling for sovereigntyThat's not what they said, though. You are inventing a position to argue against.
He is fake Maoist imperialist closeted treatlerite. He made hour long video a year or so ago crying saying he was giving up politic. He told his whole life story and said he was lumpen, which is consistent with his politic.
>>2602272>Do you honestly believe that the war is being purely sustained by forced conscription and foreign weaponry?If voluntary conscription was happening at a sustainable rate then they wouldn't be resorting to forced conscription, and even with that they're not even breaking even. They also aren't anywhere close to being able to produce weapons in the amounts necessary to sustain the war effort.
So, the long and short of it is "yes."
>>2602272Also
>The Ukrainian nation is one that very much exists for itself, and will fight to ensure its right to self-determination.Lol
Maybe he doesn't use twitter as much as the others?
>>2602272You are very wrong and misguided into supporting fascism and imperialism.
>Russia taking these regions from them is both robbing them of critical ports and resources, and putting Ukraine in a position of neo-colonial economic dependence. The ukro-nazi settlers are the ones who steal land. The ukro-nazi-settlers commit genocide against russian people. The fascist kyiv kleptocratic komprador regime of ukrainek cannot be defended under any pretext.
>>2602272>the war is being purely sustained by forced conscription and foreign weaponryit is
>despite the claims of Russian imperialistsrussia isn't imperialist by any materialist analysis
>and these regions remain critical economic regions that the Ukrainian state and nation have every reason to want to hold on tothen maybe they should have accepted the democratic will of the people living there
>>2602272MaoAnon is an insufferable prick.
>>2593152I only see this brand of "We NEED to support literally every group who is anti-West in the name of multipolarity no matter who, kill every 1st worlder!" type shit from chronically online western individuals. People on twitter, here, reddit, so on.
It almost entirely does not exist in the real world and certainly not in the societies these people claim to be supporting.
That said, I do see it creeping in more and more in non-ironic usage and it is a distortion of Marxism that needs to be addressed and rectified ASAP.
And so, let me reiterate the obvious: The world isn't black and white. You can in fact recognise multiple sides are bad. Wow!
For example:
Opposing the forces of Nazi-esque Bandera worshippers and the forces of NATO doesn't mean you have to by logical conclusion support Russian ethno-nationalist blood and soil imperialism or neo-Nazi Wagner mercenaries who torture animals for fun.
You can both recognise Ukraine bans leftist parties, forces conscription, supports far right groups, and simulatneously recognise Russia literally sells kidnapped Ukrainian children online to become house servants for Russian families. And you can in fact conclude both are bad.
For a more blunt example: Opposing the USA doesn't mean you must therefore give uncritical support to ISIS. Why? Because opposing one bad force doesn't make an opposing bad force flip to being a positive force. Supporting one evil against a different evil doesn't solve anything.
Weaker nations don't get to undertake Hitlerian wars of racial conquest to become bigger and stronger nations as a little treat just because of "muh monopolar world order needs disrupting", nor for any other reason, not ever.
The reverse also therefore must logically follow - the goal of multipolarity doesn't justify giving support for the committing of literally any action.
If you wonder what should be done instead, Lenin and others already wrote about this. Revolutionary defeatism. Total war against all war accept class war. It isn't that fucking hard.
Besides - if you do want multipolarity China is a far better bet than a decaying and increasingly theocratic oligarchic shithole with a GDP less than Italy like Russia, so why is the Russia obsession so prevailent in any case? Russia is not the USSR nor should it be treated as such. All I can say to that is PLEASE grow the fuck up and realise it isn't the 1970s.
Ultra-Campism - which is what the tendency can only be described as - which is found increasingly here on this site and for years on the Ukraine-Russia general, is a cancer that, as this thread shows, sows division, will destroy any hope of left wing unity, destroys willingness for mainstream society to listen to us at all.
There are one or two schizophrenic posters here who just drink the cool aid completely and like
>>2593411 believe Russia is a innocent utopia and that it's actually Ukraine that invaded and occupies Russia. Maybe they are beyond help.
But I think most people here are smart enough to recognise where the line between critical support of vaguely leftist state VS endorsing nationalist wars lies. When you see ultracampists spouting straight up nationalist or imperialist or Islamist points, please call them out. It's the only way we can root out the weeds that would see leftism become replaced with atheir ideologically confused joke.
>>2602603>Russia literally sells kidnapped Ukrainian children online stop swallowing baltoid propaganda pls
>>2601889Maoism as a tendency is pure retardation.
Thanks for the taliban in afghanistan.
>>2602603>>2602603I only see this
ive literally only seen it twice ever, bad empanada as a joke and vidrel
every other time it comes up its just anti-anti-imperialists assuming thats what their opposition thinks
>Russian ethno-nationalist blood and soil imperialismrussia isn't imperialist
>Russia literally sells kidnapped Ukrainian children online to become house servantsfake news
>Opposing the USA doesn't mean you must therefore give uncritical support to ISISisis is a us proxie
>Revolutionary defeatism.which applies to interimperialist wars not every war, and especially not national liberation wars, picrel
>if you do want multipolarity China is a far better bet as previously pointed out the only reason communists "support"(post about) russia is exclusively insofar as it benefits china
>nationalist or imperialist or Islamistdo you support palestinian nationalism? do you condemn hamas for islamism?
>>2602682Oh, are we blaming the C(m)PA for US imperialism's failure to keep their dogs leashed now?
>>2604236Are we pretending that Maoist China's military support for anti-Soviet militias was in to those guys and not in an overwhelming proportion to the Mujahideen?
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