Are there any reactionary or non communist figures that you kinda support respect or like? And not the I like them because they are a meme or because they sabotaged themselves and their movement. Im talking more so about genuine respect towards them but still disagreeing with most of their policies. It doesnt have to be full like either just some degree of respect.
Hmm. Mannerheim probably.
Kim Yo Jong
She might be reactionary but she hot
>ataturk and yat-sen
they are objectively progressive
>fdr
he is objectively a hilterite
>>2595755I want to change my answer to the revolutionary Haitian republicans, the coolest thing liberalism produced.
1980s german greens
Today's greens p trash tho
>>2595755>he is objectively a hilterite<helping defeat Hitler is "objectively hitlerite"People just say whatever don't they?
>>2595733>Are there any reactionary or non communist figures that you kinda support respect or like?No
>>2595754Wtf is wrong with you
>>2595775Leftcoms are allergice to fun
I unironically think Lee Kuan Yew was impressive statesman and he mogs Park Chung Hee
>>2595847>HE MOGS PARK CHUNG HEEPROOF, ARGUMENT, SAUCE
>>2595894
idgi
>>2596288Refer to
>>2595877 >>2595755>Kim Yo Jong>She might be reactionary but she hotShe isn't a reactionary and is a communist
>>2596549>>2595845Also even leaving America's role in WW2 aside, FDR was a left leaning liberal who personally like Stalin, oversaw the warmest period of American-Soviet relations in the history of the two countries (which began well before the war), and worked cooperatively with American communists. If you can call this "Hitlerite" then the term loses basically all meaning. The most basic feature of fascism is terroristic repression of the socialist movement at home and (if possible) abroad.
>>2595733These guys I have a lot of respect for while acknowledging their flaws.
Simon Bolívar existed pre-Marx but fought against Spanish colonialists and there is a good reason Hugo Chavez liked him. Friedrich Hecker led a rebellion in Baden to overthrow the monarchy, he was unsuccessful so he fled to America and fought the confederates. With Sitting Bull I don’t know what his ideology was but he fought bravely and led his people against American colonialist aggression. Lincoln was probably the worst out of all of these guys but he was on the right side of the civil war and he is a respectable figure even though he did a lot of bad things, but it is no coincidence that Karl Marx wrote to him even if he left him unread. The last one is John Brown who was a Chad, I have no idea if he was a Marxist because nobody knows his political beliefs other than his abolitionist views, he killed slavers and died a martyr, it’s no coincidence that the melody of the song “John Brown’s body” was used for “Solidarity forever.”
>>2595853does the park chung hee schizo still post here?
. is there a syngman rhee schizo?
>>2596556Then again I don’t know if all of these people were reactionary
>>2596559>>2596556I would say that they were all progressive non-communist figures that played important roles in pre-proletarian revolutionary struggles.
>>2595760Francia was a lion for mandating race mixing to destroy caste and establishing state run industries from land seized from the church/landlords
>>2595733Banning slavery: Based
Installing himself as a monarch: Not based
Pushing out colonial influence: based
Ordering the mass-killing of all white people in Haiti: Funny (that’s a joke)
Idk what to make of him
>>2596575I believe that he and Toussaint did kind of force people back onto plantations to keep up state funding, exacerbating the liberated slaves' preference for being small-holding peasants. This arguably set the stage for Haiti being in turmoil for decades after and leaving it ripe for the exploitation of international capital.
I don't know if he could have or would have tried emphasizing the creation of agricultural communes though.
>>2596590>I believe that he and Toussaint did kind of force people back onto plantations to keep up state funding, exacerbating the liberated slaves' preference for being small-holding peasants.The classic two steps forward one step back pattern you see in all progressive Caesarist figures.
>>2596558Im still here….I just stopped being a schizo about park.
>>2596549>Stalin gobbled western imperialism dick We are aware
>>2596575revolting is one thing
ruling after the revolt is another
I do not mean this as a shitty4chan troll, but we saw similar things elsewhere (Mugabe in Zim, Idi Amin in Uganda). One must be able to honor and approve of the anti-colonial struggle while disapproving of the the governance post-independence.
I would assume that would be the case for most people. Rarely do you get a man who is equally good at fighting and governing. These are the exceptions.
Shout out to Napoleon, Julius Caesar, and Oliver Cromwell for recognising the historical moment and doing what needed to be done
>>2596555It's easy. Those "american communists" he worked with were soviet aligned socdems. So the socialist movement was surpressed. FDR is a classic fascist.
park chung hee
Off the top of my head in the political realm:
Ying Zheng
Ramesses II
Cao Cao
Ivan Grozny
Grindelwald
Fuck muggles
>>2631585what about lincoln?
Publius Valerius Poplicola
>>2631591I think he was better then Carter by a long shot, especially because America didn't have Hegemony at he time, while not a Socialist he was probably one of if not the furthest left a president has been, and he was also pretty funny in Clone High, although I do criticize him for enabling the westward expansion, not going far enough with abolishing slavery, and leaving Karl Marx unread… At least Charles Darwin wrote back even if he didn't read the fucking book.
>>2631597correct and true opinion
>>2597667Rulers who were never meant to be leaders are always revolting (double entendre intended); since they believe it is their duty and right to dominate the weak (might makes right), they inevitably make up the rules as they go. The rights of a people in such circumstances take a back seat, and their level of liberty depends on their ability to pay.
LKY won. The GOAT of Singapore is an honorary communist for improving material conditions and doing literally nothing wrong.
>>2596288>that imageholy gemerald
Any of the figures associated with the Axis of resistance.
Hamas. Critical but unconditional support.
Lot more respect for Liberal statesmen who actually had real ideological conviction with belief that liberalism will lead to a better world, unlike the modern Liberal movement which is a bad faith oligarchy movement. FDR, Edwin Montagu, Lee Kwan Yew, Malcolm Fraiser etc.
Conservative figures, whatever ones are largely acting in good faith, Thomas Sowell, Peter Hitchens, Peter Oborne etc. I think it's important to have good faith rightoids to give another perspective. As much as the left claims it believes in dialectialism, most Leftists these days shut their ears and eyes the second they hear opinions that don't align with shitlib social media axioms.
Nothing pisses me off in politics more than people being close minded and bad faith, so as long as someone can argue with conviction in good faith, and genuinely listen to new positions and maybe even take them on and adapt their beliefs to new information, I can respect them.
>>2595733Whats a respect?
Yes I respect Deng Xiaoping a non communist and also Xi Xingping also a non communist
I like to watch the plane going in
I like to watch the flames shooting out
also Qin Shi Huang
>>2631874So robespierre was a zealot who got used by the bourgeois?
>>2631878yeah, there's a growing consensus that he got hung out to dry by the rest of the government and part of that was that the other bourgeois thought he was annoying and also couldn't trust him because he actually wasn't corrupt which in that day and age whichever side you were on was outright freakish.
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