Basically, the more I speak to burgers on sites like threads, average burgers, I start to realize pretty much all American culture is anti-communist pro-capitalist, pro-empire propaganda. Like, all of it, every single bit of it. I realized at least all social media has to be abolished, like obviously, but then you look at all american songs, stories, films, games; every single one of them are either overt propaganda for capitalism, against communism, and for empire; or they reproduce ways of thinking beneficial to the empire, even love songs encourage a bourgeois outlook on relationships and love, most kids shows prime children in chauvinistic and bourgeois modes of thought, even most of American english consists of just repeating capitalist propaganda back and forth between individuals
>american culture
what culture
If you think Burgerland is bad you should just look at most of yurop.
>>2596256Evropa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Burgerstan
>>2596223Yes
Communism is America's greatest enemy and is completely incompatible with the American way of life.
America is the only country that actually needs a cultural revolution.
american culture is already on life support. the vast majority of americans see it as something that has been continually mocked, picked apart, forced to confront its own hypocrisies. the right wing contingent in this country is made up of the (shrinking) bourgeoisie and the few lumpenproles who only subscribe to that ideology because greek statues and "evropa" is their cargo cult. trump has seen the disillusionment of pretty much all right wingers, as most of them are uneducated dolts who actually thought a fellow wealthy capitalist totally wouldn't throw them under the bus for his own gain, even though that kinda thing is practically it's own religion for them. what's left for the right in this country? they got pretty much exactly what they wanted and we still can't afford anything, or even find a job. we're at a perfect moment to educate people on marx and the solution to these problems.
>>2596223something something world literature etc.
my advice:
+ marx
- vibes
>>2596225The fact your country's culture is completely mogged by American culture due to our soft power doesn't mean we don't have any culture.
>>2596223>I start to realize pretty much all American culture is anti-communist pro-capitalist, pro-empire propagandaCulture isn't anything by itself
>even most of American english consists of just repeating capitalist propaganda back and forth between individuals
what
Yes. American "KKKultur" is rotten beyond saving and must be destroyed alongside America itself.
always hilarious when "communists" obsess over culture, think any of them will still exist under communism, or that you can just will "a culture" to disappear or preserve lol
>>2596521Oh the Anglos willed the Native culture out of existence alright. The same can be done to Americans.
>worldview-marxists are one bad day away from becoming fascists, part 36777642356446
>songs, stories, films, games; every single one of them are either overt propaganda for capitalism, against communism, and for empire
So union songs from the 1900s about striking coal miners is overt propaganda for capitalism?
>>2596522lol you think "native culture" (native from where?) was going to persist either way in a fully bourgeois nation state
communism, a universal way of life, is possible only on the basis of the world intercourse brought about by capitalism, a world intercourse that increasingly dissolves the narrow national cultures into one vast world intercourse
capitalism destroying culture is the one good aspect of it
>>2596539Yes, the settler trade unions entire struggle, as is the struggle of all trade unions, was to force the bourgeoisie to better integrate the proletariat into the capital system, Lenin himself understood and argued that without communist leadership unions are inherently reformist and usually national chauvinist as well
The songs are literally about a fair day’s work for a fair day’s wage, being like your idiot settler ancestors who were a different class from yourself and had an largely bourgeois consciousness, or promoting le heckin beloved american national fatherland even while said beloved nation cracks down on your fucking strikes lmao
>>2596566>The songs are literally about a fair day’s work for a fair day’s wageNo they aren't, they're about how capitalists are parasites and the working class is bound to inherit the Earth. Example:
"They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn
But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn
We can break their haughty power and gain our freedom when we learn
That the union makes us strong
All the world that's owned by idle drones is ours and ours alone
We have laid the wide foundation built them skyward stone by stone
It is ours not to slave in but to master and to own
For the union makes us strong"
>>2596267Nah, not really. Sure we have better social systems in place but most yurop are going into trump territory, the far-right party in my country is leading in the polls, they might reach around 35%. We also dont have any "leftwing" party only anti-communist socdems.
>>2596600Everything you just listed is tens times worse in burgerland Euro. Our "extremist" left wing is your anti-communist socdems. That is how bad we are.
>>2596573"Solidarity Forever" is the song's name, quite perfect as the song it's tune is from was about abolition.
>>2596223You don't understand superstructure. The KKK is an actual fucking organization not just an idea in a head. The same goes with the rest of the anti-Communist cults. You can't be anti-white if you're not anti-CIA.
You look at the fringes of the superstructure but you don't look at the core of the superstructure in bourgeois organising. The kulturkampf must be rooted in smashing the state, the business associations, the gangs and the rest of the bourgeois organizations.
>>2596223Brother idk what you want us burgerreichers to do. We keep asking for help on how to get actual leftist movements going but then you just sir on your hands as you complain about the DSA or the Feds for the 500th time. Give us actual ideas on how to fight back.
>>2596611
>Petite-bourgeois Narodnik utopian drivel that has no relevance to the real movement
Workers seizing the means of production and establishing themselves as the ruling class has no relevance to the real movement?
>Even the song lyrics you appeal to harken to petite bourgeois ideals of every man having their own plot of land and small business
They make no such reference whatsoever. They talk explicitly about the working class as a class conquering political power and taking control of the fruits of their labour by expropriating the parasitic capitalists.
yes
>Basically, the more I speak to burgers on sites like threads, average burgers,
Online people are crazy.
There is no avoiding this. The internet overrepresents people who, for some reason or another, are alienated. This could be for many reasons - personal preference to solitude, privacy, being oppressed in public, or just being a piece of shit no-one wants to be around.
Add further that many people online are marketing shills, propagandists and even just bots. The internet is a hyperreality, not average people.
But this doesn't refute the rest of your points about hegemony. Read Gram
>>2596267>Evropalol.
>>2596256>If you think Burgerland is bad you should just look at most of yurop.Yeah it's seriously funny how Euros think they're not part of "the west." They live in the same monoculture except for some particular tisms they have which are not good either.
T. has Yooro relatives.
>>2596725Workers can’t be the ruling class my retarded friend, please read Marx more carefully, the DOTP isn’t workers “becoming the ruling class”, it’s the workers abolishing class entirely; if the working class still exists it is not free, if it is still a working class it is enslaved, it genuinely doesn’t even make sense to call the working class a ruling class in any scenario, this is a petit bourgeois/national chauvinist/vulgar workerist reading of Marx
>>2596944you're a fucking retard holy shit, you actually read the thing and STILL managed to not understand shit
DOTP IS LITERALLY WORKERS BECOMING RULING CLASS HOW THE FUCK CAN SOMEONE BE THAT STUPID
>>2596944>workers abolishing class entirelynah,must increase the productive forces first
>>2596944>Workers can’t be the ruling class my retarded friend<The theory of class struggle, applied by Marx to the question of the state and the socialist revolution, leads as a matter of course to the recognition of the political rule of the proletariat, of its dictatorship, i.e., of undivided power directly backed by the armed force of the people. The overthrow of the bourgeoisie can be achieved only by the proletariat becoming the ruling class, capable of crushing the inevitable and desperate resistance of the bourgeoisie, and of organizing all the working and exploited people for the new economic system.t. Lenin
american culture will change when they really begin to experience poverty, there is nothing else to do now but wait
>>2597139>>2596976Who are the workers “ruling” over other than themselves? At which point one supposes the question becomes “who” is ruling the workers that claims to be a representative? Or what, are the working class to “rule” over the minority of capitalists, state officials, and small business owners? “Rule” them to have them do what exactly? Simply ceasing inhabiting their social positions? Therefore the task isn’t to establish the “rule” of the workers but the abolition of the workers as a class; use your fucking brain.
>>2597155>Who are the workers “ruling” over other than themselves? The bourgeoisie, because here Lenin is referring to a period after the initial conquest of power but before the full expropriation of their property.
>Therefore the task isn’t to establish the “rule” of the workers but the abolition of the workers as a classThat's true, but first they have to seize power and establish a DotP, which is then used to expropriate property and abolish class distinctions. It's just that this doesn't happen all at once.
>>2597179> The bourgeoisie, because here Lenin is referring to a period after the initial conquest of power but before the full expropriation of their property. In which case the proletarian class doesn’t “rule” over the bourgeoisie, it is
at war with the bourgeoisie and its state machinery in the process of abolishing both classes, the bourgeoisie is not being ruled by the proletariat, it is being put at the mercy of the proletariat in the process of its abolition
> That's true, but first they have to seize power and establish a DotP, which is then used to expropriate property and abolish class distinctions. It's just that this doesn't happen all at once.This is the sort of shit Marx was tearing to shreds when he wrote that communism isn’t a state of affairs to be established
>>2597171You say that, but have you ever watched Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo?
Alternatively, New Afrikan culture *is* America’s only actual cultural output that is genuinely unique to the United States national territory 🤔
>>2597193>In which case the proletarian class doesn’t “rule” over the bourgeoisieIdk man, take it up with Marx, Engels, and Lenin I guess since that's the terminology they use. Sounds like you're just engaging in semantics.
>This is the sort of shit Marx was tearing to shreds <The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total of productive forces as rapidly as possible.t. Marx and Engels
>>2597135>increase the productive forcesyou mean develop, and capitalism has been fully developed globally for decades already, retard. are there any feudal states remaining?
>>2597171>African-Americans aren't a valid example of American cultureWoah there chuddie, calm down. Try adding a qualifier, like "White American culture," we're all Americans here. But seriously though.
There is nothing more American than perfomatively hating America tbh
>>2597206Wow Marx and Engels describing exactly what I said, which crucially isn’t the workers mystically becoming the ruling class (ruling over whom?)
Maybe stop simultaneously conflating Marx/Engels with Vladimir Lenin and the historical conditions of the proletariat existing in the minority in Russia to the point of an entire general theory applicable to capitalism; even if the only actual context where this formulation of “DOTP” as “workers becoming the ruling class” only *barely* makes sense in a society where the proletariat are a small amount of the population embedded in a vast peasant hinterlands
You should ask yourself crucially what the fuck could the proletariat “rule” the bourgeoisie to do? Oh yea, nothing, because they aren’t laborers, aren’t most of the population, and only play the rule of coordinating the functions of capital. The problem is that the function of capital itself has to be abolished, transcended, through said revolutionary process. The actual problem with how you envision a “DOTP” is that it implies the reproduction of the proletariat, rather than recognizing that the existence of the proletariat is the most critical factor in reproducing the capital system, not the existence of the bourgeoisie.
Things to consider
>>2597193New Afrikan culture does not exist. Sorry. There is only American culture: an eclectic unicorn-vomit.
>>2597549>New Afrikan culture doesn’t exist!<What is jazzYou sound like a euroshit cousin-fucker
Maybe get some fucking sunlight and a dentist while you’re at it
Euroshits are too arrogant for subhumans that most of humanity rightfully wants to tear limb from limb
>>2596256>>2596267As much as I love visiting Europe and find Euro history more interesting than America (among other things), eurocucks (particularly online) have an unwarranted superiority complex to burgers despite being vassals to the burger empire who do nothing to change that. They'll will posture one moment about burgerland having no healthcare and mass shootings one moment and beg daddy trump for more nato money and arms to send to Ukraine the next. I know American politics affects everyone in the world but for the love of god Euros, please try and do some actual fucking meaningful shit to resist American empire instead of libbing out about your welfare states all the time, or a token recognition of Palestine while not ending arms shipments to Israel ffs
otherwise yeah American culture is pretty cringe
>>2597299>Wow Marx and Engels describing exactly what I said, which crucially isn’t the workers mystically becoming the ruling classThen why do they describe it as the workers becoming the ruling class?
>even if the only actual context where this formulation of “DOTP” as “workers becoming the ruling class” only *barely* makes sense in a society where the proletariat are a small amount of the population embedded in a vast peasant hinterlands The State and Revolution (where that Lenin quote comes from) isn't just about Russia, its a general treatise on how communists should relate to state power and wield it in service of socialist construction. Lenin's description of the DotP as the establishment of the workers as the ruling class is also consistent with how Marx and Engels describe it.
>You should ask yourself crucially what the fuck could the proletariat “rule” the bourgeoisie to doLook man, it's really not that hard to grasp. The proletariat seizes power and establishesna DotP. It then sets about the tasks of socialist constriction such as expansion of the means of production and expropriation of the bourgeoisie. However this doesn't happen instantaneously, but "by degree" as Marx says. You can quibble over precise timeframes, but even in the USSR it didn't really happen until the end of the NEP more than a decade after the October Revolution. During this transitional phase the workers are the ruling class insofar as they establish a class dictatorship rule over a bourgeoisie which has not yet been expropriated. This continues until the expropriation is complete, at which point the workers begin the process of abolishing themselves as a class. Idk why you're taking such issue with this concept when this is exactly the language used by Marx, Engels, and Lenin. Or why you're so determined to prove that an American worker's song about proletarian revolution is somehow reactionary.
>>2597836
🙄 It's a fucking song not a textbook.
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