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The more you read into the history of Stalin and Trotsky and their respective followers, the more you will realize that Stalin was right and Trotsky was at best an idealistic retard and at worst a literal fascist collaborator that literally wanted Nazi Germany to destroy the USSR.

Trotsky was basically an Osama Bin Laden type figure that railed against Stalin because Stalin didn't immediately abolish the state, abolish the family, pursue muh "permanent revolution" aka embroil the USSR into ill-fated wars and other idealist bullshit that had no basis in the actual material conditions of the time. How dare that Stalin works worth the material conditions and historical context and develop the state to advance proletarian interests – it's all "bureaucracy" and Trotsky is out of power so therefore Stalin must go and he must literally be assassinated (This Trotsky advocated for).

After all this it becomes clear the justification for Stalin's "purges" of these terrorist assholes trying to destroy the USSR. It's amazing that the USSR survived WW2 and constant subversion from these pseudo-fascist retards. It's a testament to Stalin's strength and competence that this is so.

>railed against Stalin because Stalin didn't immediately abolish the state, abolish the family,
Did he? That's the first im hearing about it. Granted I'm no expert on the guy. What did he say about it?

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>>2600680
Read Losurdo comrade

also pic related is from socialism ai which is from trotskyist (barf) wsws

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>>2600685
Wait, I'm still confused. Trotsky wanted to immediately abolish the state??? The commander of the Red Army during the Russian revolution? I'm baffled and I might have to reappraise some things if that's true.

That's what Trotsky looks like? That's clearly Stalin in a wig and glue on beard doing a cartoony angry face.

Stalin was the first samefag.

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>>2600673
hahahhahhahahaha

>shitalin was right
We know, he was a right wing deviation.

>>2600707
Anyone who have read theory will reach this conclusion

>>2600697
>>2600707
Counter theory: Stalin was the alter-ego of Trotsky, not the other way around. Wouldn't even need a wig, just slick his hair back as stalin, fluff it back up when Trotsky.,

>>2600673
Both were just symptoms of a larger problem that was Lenin.

>>2600673
How do people unironically like Trotsky so much? His influence on much of the left since the 2000s is remarkable.

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>>2600673
>Trotsky was basically an Osama Bin Laden type figure
Please elaborate this batshit claim
>that railed against Stalin because Stalin didn't immediately abolish the state,
Again, elaborate where exactly Trotsky advocates to immediately abolish the state, because I've read most of his major works and I can't even tell what you're hinting at
> abolish the family,
He protested that banning abortion, hiding info about birth control, and shutting down programs for communal cooking etc. thereby chained Soviet women down with housework and made them unable to participate in a larger socialist society. If you disagree with Trotsky on this point please let everyone here know.
>pursue muh "permanent revolution" aka embroil the USSR into ill-fated wars
Permanent Revolution is misunderstood even by a lot of Trotskyists, but what it ultimately boils down to is that a socialist party should never water down their political program and goals in order to form a coalition with pro-capitalist parties. This is basic bitch Marxist political strategy that goes back all the way to 1848 and Louis Blanc, when Marx (not Trotsky) originally formulated the concept. Compare this to Stalin's political strategy in the "popular front" period, wherein the Communist Parties moved to the right of socdems in order to cuck themselves out to liberals, even reaching the new low of supporting "no strike pledges" during WWII - basically a repeat of the SPD revisionists' support for "civil peace" (burgfrieden) during WWI. Again, if you support this latter policy, please let everyone know.
>How dare that Stalin works worth the material conditions and historical context
I think the bald fact that the Stalin regime's economic policy made such drastic zigzags (fighting against Trotsky et al's calls for gradual socialization of the economy before 1929, then abruptly trying and failing to force collectivization over the course of four years) puts his understanding of "material conditions" into question
>and develop the state to advance proletarian interests – it's all "bureaucracy"
What interest does a worker have in accelerating wage inequality? What interest does he have in tyrannical management in industry and censorship and repression in political affairs? Trotsky's critique of bureaucracy is valid because to him bureaucracy is the antithesis of democracy. Nobody on the left seems to understand this because of the burger-brained assumption of bureaucracy being a problem of "too much procedure", an argument which is typically aimed against democratic control.
>After all this it becomes clear the justification for Stalin's "purges" of these terrorist assholes trying to destroy the USSR.
The only evidence for Trotskyist "terrorism", "fascist collaboration" etc. comes from the coerced confessions made during the Moscow trials. No direct evidence has ever surfaced in any archive for anything like the vast conspiracy the Soviet state alleged (and later themselves admitted was bullshit).

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>>2600756
Pretty much what this anon said… It's MLs picrel

>>2600752
oh that ? that's just because trostky became the acceptable communist figure after not being in charge of the URSS and targeted by red scare propaganda in the 70s-80s,calling yourself a stalinist was basically saying "yes I love genocides and killing a bajillion people" so people called themselves trostkyite

>>2600784
One of the things I had to learn is that people channel a shit ton of their character flaws and mental illnesses into their politics, including narcissism and the desire to look good.
>I'm a communist….but not the BAD kind

>>2600784
I don't think those people likely ever read him, either. What'd he envision in terms of economic theory? Stalin's state worked, but Trotsky's has never been implemented on any scale. It's a pipe dream, looks to me as virtue signaling.


didn't stalin essentially adopt trotsky's position and policies after purging him?


I'm not disparaging the improvements Stalin made to technological advancement or industrialization, nor his victory over the Nazis. Those are all clearly positives.
But I mean clearly, 1. SOIC has failed to produce any communist societies (while internationalist communism remains untested). 2. Decades in power and no serious attempt to transition towards ending commodity production and wage labour. 3. The purges of the Old Bolsheviks.
And while I'm not a Trot and I don't really care personally for 4. the muh democracy / authoritarianism arguement, - although I'll mention it because they often do.
Trotskyists and their student groups annoy me to no end just as online MLs do, but given the nature of this thread, can any MLs here actually explain their justification of those policies against the accusations of the broader Communist left?

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>>2600673
They were both fucking wrong.
Bukharin should have won and kept a moderate path going in the USSR.
Then maybe the international communist movement wouldn't have splintered apart after WW2 and the revelation that Stalinism had been a total shitshow.

Gary Kasparov or Anatoly Karpov?

>>2601275
Kasparov was always cooler

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like luxemburg he was the better kind of martyr figure

>>2601405
trvke alert : Luxembourg is massively overrated just because she had a cool name.

Socialism in one country also means nationalism is okay which is inherently reactionary.

A Eurasia Federation State with relative regional autonomy was what is needed. In the end progressive partnerships across the socialist block in the 20th century were minuscule and you had to look for them (like the Vietnam and East Germany Coffee Deal). Instead each country practiced autarky.

This is thread is worth less than garbage.

Anyone who is generally supportive of the period of socialist construction under Stalin should cease commenting here.

>>2601573
He was right and his reconstruction worked.

>>2601573
Seething Greek or coping Bulgarian?

>>2601681
>bulge aryan

>>2600756
>>2600752
>>2600673
NEW BOOK "Trotsky & The Neoconservatives: The Whole Story”
Order your copy: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FNP71NN5

Join the Center for Political Innovation: https://cpiusa.org/

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Koba was right

>>2617087
>man evolves his thinking and strategy in light of new experiences and consequences of his past strategy
<this is bad somehow hehe

>>2617094
Stalin was right(wing)


>>2617099
He was an elightened centrist


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