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Do you guys see the left capturing any meaningful gains in the next twenty years? What countries do you guys believe are most primed for revolution? Do you believe communism will die in this century?

Nope

THE MOVEMENT IS NOT A DISCRETE STATE OF IS OR ISN'T
THE LEFT MADE HEADWAY EVERYWHERE IN THE LAST THIRTY YEARS OF CAPITALIST REALISM
IF YOU REFUSE TO SEE YOU ARE A STOOGE FOR IMPERIALISTS SPREADING DEFEATISM

>>2601252
<Optimistic about;
China becoming a superpower, mass unemployment caused by AI useful for leftist politics, planned economy becoming more realistic with AI, american empire weaker than ever
<Pessimistic about;
Threat of nuclear war, weak america starting WW3 in order to save its superpower status, mass migrations caused by global warming, rise of fascism in Europe

>>2601354
I understand that we have the capability for nuclear war, but wouldn't it be too devastating for profits to actually ever happen?

>>2601252
>Do you guys see the left capturing any meaningful gains in the next twenty years?
Doubt so. People’s material condition probably won’t decline much and will continue to stagnate. We might get some left leaning social democrat like Bernie to pass measures to adress some decline in living conditions, but nothing fundamentally radical.
Besides, the illiberal axis (iran, china, and russia) has only seen one of its members make meaningful gains. China’s rise is impressive but it’s fundamentally constrained to their geographical location, and their model hardly seems replicable in other parts of the world. In response, the western world will probably adopt a mercantilist stance.
Lastly, the far right’s rise will push people to cling to moderation as a mean to combat « extremist » ideologies.

>What countries do you guys believe are most primed for revolution?

Iran will probably become liberal. Africa might see a return to socialism through a chinese-like model being exported there (and also seeming quite evident given their developmental position). In Europe, France might have a shot given their current position of the left. The other countries probably won’t have anything radical given their current position current center-left governments.

> Do you believe communism will die in this century?

Yes. The bourgeoisie has been trying very hard to paint libertarianism as the way to go and has been adamant on decribilizing marx. Fundamentally this doesn’t matter much because the people remain the subject of the dialectic. If we get some form of movement that restrains the bourgeoisie, introduces real democracy both in workplace and in government, has some form of planning to adress the woes of capitalism etc, whether or not they call themselves marxist doesn’t matter. What matters is effective change, and it doesn’t really matter in which name it occurs as long as it focused on overcoming capitalism.

>>2601403
War can easily spiral out of control. There is a good reason why nukes havent been used since WW2 not in Korea and not in Ukraine. Leadership fear this phenomena where one nuclear strike can turn into a global nuclear war.

>>2601443
The nuclear war is a paper tiger made up by the bourgeoisie

No.

>>2601252
>Western leftists
Nope lol they will still be begging for treats for greenhairs from pedos
>Eastern Leftists
China will be fully socialist and will be working with other Asian nations in trade and boosting everyone's economy

>>2601514
What about african leftists

>>2601790
will be purged violently once the western fascist liberal puppets begin clashing with the chinese-backed fascist nationalist puppets

>>2601790
Ibraham will create the United States of Africa

>>2601252
Coup belt continues to expand in the Sahel, it'll be a big one like the ivory coast next.
Yemen's government will collapse and Houthis will take over the north, souths breaks away, neither are leftists tho.
in think in 20 years the far right government will start to weaken and collapse and they'll be a rise of far left ideologies because the spectre of the soviet union won't be in people's mind.

>>2601795
Define fascist. You are using it as a buzzword for something I dont like

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>>2601923
something I don't like

>>2601252
No, none, it already did
It's been 50 years and the 'left' still has no response to deindustrialization and the productive forces advancing to such an extent that the eliminate the only leverage workers have over the bourgeoisie. Plus so many still to prefer to live in a fantasy world where nation-states can prevent capitalist crisis and exist in a permanent autarky without massive sacrifices on behalf of their populations.

>>2601910
Will the far left live on for another hundred years? The far right's time in power has been disastrous worldwide.

i give it a 30 percent chance a bernie tier guy runs and wins president of america. zohran could have been that guy but he wasnt born here so he cant. anyways, this guy would go on to of course fail to live up to expectations and would show the failure of social democracy.

>>2601427
>Besides, the illiberal axis (iran, china, and russia) has only seen one of its members make meaningful gains. China’s rise is impressive but it’s fundamentally constrained to their geographical location, and their model hardly seems replicable in other parts of the world. In response, the western world will probably adopt a mercantilist stance.
China's rise is surprising, I remember when anything they spoke of was not to be taken seriously. It used to be a joke of a country.
>Yes. The bourgeoisie has been trying very hard to paint libertarianism as the way to go and has been adamant on decribilizing marx. Fundamentally this doesn’t matter much because the people remain the subject of the dialectic. If we get some form of movement that restrains the bourgeoisie, introduces real democracy both in workplace and in government, has some form of planning to adress the woes of capitalism etc, whether or not they call themselves marxist doesn’t matter. What matters is effective change, and it doesn’t really matter in which name it occurs as long as it focused on overcoming capitalism.
Do you think there'll be a new alternative soon? I'd figured libertarianism was very much a setup too.
>France might have a shot given their current position of the left.
My friends over in France keep believing that there'll be riots and it'll be Macroever but nothing happens

India is most likely to become socialist soon
>is in the process of industiralizing
>communist party already fought a gurellia war previously
>communist party controls one of the provinces (and its one of the mlst developed)

>>2602570
How many years do you give it? They resemble the Philippines in their distaste towards communism.

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Que sera sera
What ever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see

>>2601354
>China becoming a superpower
It already is.
>mass unemployment caused by AI useful for leftist politics
This might actually be a bad thing, believe it or not. The entire basis of Marxism is that the bourgeois need us more than we need them. What happens when this ceases to be true? Historical materialism is not historical destiny.

>planned economy becoming more realistic with AI

Modern-day "AI" is, by and large, a machine that generates expected responses to prompts. In terms of functionality, it's really just Cleverbot with a larger context window and the ability to piece together new sentences rather than just repeating back old ones. It's an impressive piece of technology, to be sure, one that I myself have used a fair bit, but to put it in charge of economic planning is dangerously stupid.

>>2601514
>greenhairs
Why are you people so goddamn obsessed with this 2015 Tumblr SJW stereotype? How many of these people do you actually encounter in your daily lives?

>China will be fully socialist

What does "fully socialist" actually mean in this context?


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