The graph going around showing "men becoming conservative" is hilarious because the female line is the one going nearly exponential whereas the male one just droops a bit.
Not beating the "gets all their opinions from thinktanks and tweet summarizer youtubers" alligations.
bitches be shoppin
>>2602384Remember all those articles talking about how women were taking up guns to fight the Taliban as the US withdrew from Afghanistan? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Radwives will become a meme
>>2602591god I want a radwife to dom me
>>2602384The rise of the current post-racial male centered conservatism feeds this.
Desire for blonde Reactionary Tradwives ended. Now bobcut black haired radical girls are my new best type.
>>2602384Why are the only women I see at organizing events trans then?
>>2602394
>women largely derive their opinions from social cues
<implying men dont
>>2603000yea, i think you made that up.
Has never been true and in the 20 years i've been around leftist events and spaces.
>>2603547Are you on the ground these days?
It's like one cis women (they all have they/them pronounouns) for a dozen t girls.
I have nothing against women trans or not just interesting.
>>2602394>>2603076I think autisms have a tendency to attribute allistic traits to the other sex when they don't have many autisms of the other sex in their friend group(s).
>rar, women just shopping, texting, eat hot chip and lie>ruh, men just yell about sportsball, roman empire and get stuck in caves insead of going therapyLike they're just complaining about allistics but lack the vocabulary so it's easy to manipulate them into being sexist about it.
>>2603552You just live where there's a lot of trans people.
>they all have they/them pronounounsOkay so they're all trans then.
>>2602394
mods, execute this reactionary
>>2602384>The graph going around showing "men becoming conservative" is hilarious because the female line is the one going nearly exponential whereas the male one just droops a bit.HOT TAKE:The gender divide in radicalization is analogous to why socialist revolutionaries tend to be class traitors.
>>2603559I'm not sure I would include theyfabs as being trans. I don't think they have gender dysphoria, they don't transition, they just don't like to be called women.
It is a sort of liberal feminist ideal that if you strip off the label you are no longer the thing despite living in the same relationships to material
>>2603627>I'm not sure I would include theyfabs as being trans.Twitterbabble doesn't matter. They're clearly some type of non-binary. Cut that shit out before you develop black coffee syndrome.
>I don't think they have gender dysphoriaVibes, and that's not what trans means. Transness is literally just not being cis. That's it.
>>2603627Like if you want a narrower category to feel special and legitamized for being a part of, then find a narrower category than 'trans,' because that is in fact a very broad category.
>>2603689>>2603702Ok I'll bite.
What is "being trans" then
>>2602971>bobcutnot short enough
A lot of reactionary thought boils down to "total woman enslavement" and liberalism no longer feels like a safe refuge, in fact liberalism is accelerating its own death by trying to be more like rightoidism. So women turn to the thing that makes them feel like they'll be safer which is to radicalize.
>>2603734Young women call themselves nonbinary to appear edgy and radical, men do it to prey on these women. They are in no way comparable to some 40 year old balding transhumanist, except for maybe that it is all bullshit to begin with.
>>2603746Agreed if a cis dude is they/theming it up they're a chaser
>>2603734Ok pretend I'm an idiot,
What is cis then?
>why do women behave like women
truly a mystery
Why is Leftypol so misogynistic nowadays?
>>2603807Because "leftypol" is a lightly moderated anonymous message board where anyone can just come and say anything with little to no consequences
>>2602384>>2602591>>2602971Once the Global Maoist Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution begins in the future Global USSR, all Women will be given 60 days to get their Hair Cut/Chopped/Shaved off, either at home or at a People’s Barbershop by Female International Red Guards, and once the 60 day window passes, Female (Mostly Lesbian) International Red Guards will patrol the streets looking for Women with Reactionary Bourgeois Patriarchal Hair styles (anything longer then a Pixie Cut), and if/when they find one, they will Shave her head, have her walk through the streets wearing a Dunce Cap, attend a Struggle Session wearing a placard that says Revisionist/Bourgeois/Reactionary/Patriarchal, and send her to a Re-Education Camp to embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, so She can become a Liberated Socialist Woman and begin traveling the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️💇♀️👩🦲!
>>2603746Not a real thing that happens at any significant scale. Get off twitter.
>>2603770Being the gender you were assigned at birth.
What do my fellow Comrades think of my Dialectical Materialist Effort Post at
>>2603819 detailing the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist solution to purge the Superstructural symbols of Patriarchal Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity in order to flatten the Reactionary Gender Binary in the Global Maoist Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, by forcing all Women to have extremely Short Hair (Pixie Cut or shorter, with a Shaved Head being the most Historically Progressive), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️💇♀️👩🦲🤔?
>>2603983Nobody wants to hear your strange fetishes. I, a fellow comrade, think jannies should clean it up quicker.
>>2603962
>Have you tried to organize these days?
Yeah, people there touch grass so they're not playing weird twitterian chess with their gender presentation, and that'd be an unhinged thing to speculate of someone.
>Green hair
>ZOMG scary unconventional accessorization!!!1! (drug store brand hair dye)
This is the black coffee syndrome I was talking about. You see veriety and see that as an infringement on your own personal choice because it means the choices you made cease to be as normal as they were before you noticed the veriety. Knowing that people are having coffee with milk or tea demotes your black coffee to being merely an option rather than the default option, seeing hair dye does the same to your choice of haircut. Seeing ethnic minorities makes your future hyperborean tradwife an unhinged preference rather than the expectation, etc…
There's a kernel of this in most reactionary thought.
>>2603975
>So by your logic a trans person is a person with a different gender then they are born with.
Yeag
>>2602384The generalization and shaming of "radicalization", which is just recognizing that there's systems – is crazy.
That definition would put Nick Fuentes as a radical.
>>2603807Alot of women engage with hyper idpol that rejects class analysis and often rejects other oppressed identities in an effort to get more attention.
Many of which'll argue that women are the empathetic gender, when they deeply struggle to see perspective of other genders, or races, or income brackets (among proles, obviously fuck bourgeois), etc.
Me personally, I got sexist towards women after talking to feminists and women online; just was constantly disappointed with them and saw them as nothing but just scratched liberals.
Because of that I've been taking shrooms and doing self CBT to try and de-spook my brain, (though it's not like they aren't out there and getting x-million likes for political dogshit).
All of which in retrospect that, even if you argue XYZ book that would contextualize how to approach and interpret those people, (which many don't), it's still makes you wonder since at some point you need to listen to the masses, and ask yourself:
> Are they really that just reactionary, and am I just in denial? >>2603746>if a cis dude is they/themingBut are they really cis at that point? Pronouns are a large part of gender.
>>2603950>Being the gender you were assigned at birth.What's it called if society's views of gender change after you were born so you no longer fulfill your assigned gnder? Cis-classic?
>>2604026>What's it called if society's views of gender change after you were born so you no longer fulfill your assigned gnder?It's never even occurred to me that could happen but I bet it has. Banger essay premise.
>>2604019>Alot of women [thing every demographic has examples of under SEO web]waow
>Me personally, I got sexist towards women after talking to feminists and women online;Ah, twitter overdose. Follow
>>>/lgbt/5580 's advice and you may find yourself less mentally ill.
>>2603986Forcing all Women to have extremely Short Hair (Pixie Cut or shorter, with a Shaved Head being the most Historically Progressive) is not a “Strange Fetish”, it is Dialectal Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Praxis that was implemented in the IRL Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in Maoist China and will be implemented in the Global Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in the future Global USSR, whether Revisionists, Liberals, Fascists, and Women brainwashed to accept the Superstructural symbols (ie. Long Hair, Dresses, Makeup, etc.) of Patriarchal Bourgeois Femininity/Domesticity and the Reactionary Gender Binary like it or not, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️💇♀️👩🦲!
>>2604118
>I just see it for what it is mostly alienating for the masses.
AKA projecting yourself onto a strawman of a steel mill worker you have in your head.
>Most of the world still follows the gender binary with a few exceptions.
Pandering to preconceptions never won any concessions before and it's naive to think it'll magically start doing so now. Chuds aren't / shouldn't be joining your org, and the normal but sheltered layman learns quick and doesn't have to grapple with these concepts comprehensively to cooperate. I have no fucking clue what a therian is even after having watched a video about it, but the 3 at my org are all easy to work with.
>We don't see people self identifying as Faye/Fayeself outside of the west.
Vibes. Only twitter users think in this manner. Please actually talk with non-westerners (AKA get off twitter) regularly instead of projecting yourself onto a stawman of them you have in your head.
>>2604118
Also, reality check: people join orgs because they want to build socialism, because they are proletarian and see it as necessary. Not because the atmosphere was nice and everyone there is a hyperborean tradwife. Kill the marketing / PR team in your head and embrace materialism.
>>2603819The oldest and most natural hairstyle for both men and women, long hair, is apparently bourgeois, despite pre-dating the existing of the bourgeoisie as a class by millenia
Ok idiot
>>2604221That's Kind Lear, he's admitted it's a fetish before, don't worry about it.
>>2602394
guy who gets all his opinions from andrew tate:
women get all their opinions from youtubers :((((
>>2602384I am fine with women carrying the entire revolution on their shoulders.
>>2604239
Wow! You really like to opine on women despite not being one yourself.
Also, what's with your capitalization? Are you John Adams?
>>2603746>>2603768Society sees me as a cis man, I consider myself non-binary because I reject all contemporary gender as a broken paradigm, despite me seeming like a normal man in day-to-day life. Not a chaser.
Gendered pronouns are never necessary in language, so I address everyone as they/them.
Because birthstrikes are the only real fight that remains against capital, hence porky is doing everything they can to develop AI and robots
Womwn are the revolutionary subject in the current era.
>>2604239>>2637127I reported Lear's extreme schizo-misogyny when he posted this, BTW. Crazy that the jannies on this site think this is the kind of post leaving up and poster worth having around.
The janny team changes but their politics never do.
>>2637180You are just a cringe idiot. Or trying to appear radical to liberal/radlib women. Gender is not some abstract social category separate from sex, it is just how we refer to sex in language.
Once you acknowledge this, the whole trans debate evaporates like the load of bullshit it is.
For example, men and women sports division into separate competitions was always based on sex not on fucking "social constructs".
>>2637180Thank Marx for making me French so your shite doesn't work here
>>2637180>postand let the seething (you)'s commence.
i agree with you though, anon. <3 >>2602394
Social media is largely reactionary
>>2602384Fuck this lib zionist psychologist for spinning young women being against genocide as a scary dangerous corrupting thing. Hang her.
>>2637180That's very admirable, but you're not really helping abolish the gender paradigm. We are many centuries away from that. Gender is a social thing, so unless you actually present in a way people think is genderless, you will still be contributing to what gender is.
Gender will only go away through 1. concrete material advancements in artificial wombs and 2. everyone being able to express themselves as the sex they want. When number 2 is completed sex and gender will have no meaning because everyone will have expressed themselves properly. But this is not something you do by rejecting gender entirely, but by going through it. Calling everyone they/them is harmful for this, not helpful, because you're not really eroding gender, but reinforcing it.
>>2637192Gender is related to sex but you're being reductionist. They both social constructs that don't truly explain the situation on their own.
>>2637183I have done the same, because not only is he a sexist, but he is a racist and zionist (look at his map) as well, and he acts as a caricature of Maoism. But because he is funny and quirky he will remain forever probably.
>>2637268>Present in a way people think is genderlessConform to "genderless gender" clothing stereotypes to help abolish gender.
So retarded it is hilarious where gender ideology will take you.
>They both social constructsSex is not a social construct you absolute moron. Reproduction requires legitimate material reactions, we don't live in a video game.
>>2637302Well, obviously characteristics of sex exist. But sex as this binary is as social as gender, like they are the same thing. There isn't a single characteristic that makes someone's sex a man or a woman, and people who transition change their sexual characteristics.
Obviously I focus on the social aspect because I'm a Maoist not a biologist and Maoism cannot explain biology, but the social approach to the biology is what I'm talking about. Man and woman is a spectrum of sex and gender that's not a binary and everyone fits in it somewhere.
Get out of the anglo box.
>Muh artificial wombs
Guys, you should just stop being incels, maybe you'll realize women actually like it when you cum all over her cervix
>>2637318artificial wombs don't mean women are no longer able to have natty children you massive fucking spaz.
>>2637268Sex is a biological fact, it's not a social construct, if society didn't exist there'd still be sex, sex predates humanity and sex will outlive humanity
>>2637318Sometimes the purity of leftcoms are something.
Like this guy haven't
had to interact with radfems.
>>2602384Disco Elysium was wrong.
It turns out MEN are bourgeois, and WOMEN are proletarian.
>>2602394
the social cues are utterly reactionary right now so your explanation makes no sense. stupid mass tor baiter.
>>2637769
>Thread is over.
if you found that explanation compelling you ought to be shot because their is nothing salvageable in that "brain" of yours
>>2637334Artifical wombs meana the creation of a new slave class
>>2637813>becameIt was always a tendency within the women's movement, it's just the one that won out due to how hard revolutionary politics got repressed. Any kind of identity politics focused on one particular group is by its nature going to include people who are bigots or reactionary about some other group or social problem. This is an issue with socialism and communism too, it's just something you have to contend with in any mass movement. If you don't properly nip those tendencies in the bud it's very easy for them to fester because primary contradiction in society being class struggle means that the state apparatus will majorly prefer to target the more radical tendencies. In fact it often benefits them for the more reactionary ones to propagate because it can result in the various movements for equality to become hotbeds of division among the workers.
>>2604046I couldnt find your post until now.
No it wasnt twitter, it was reddit, instagram, and tiktok – all of which fed me pro women algorithms, which in retrospect I realize were female supremacist (which is their default view).
Cutting it barely help, since I damn know they will be white washed – this being the difference in your "[thing every demographic has examples of under SEO web]" comment.
Especially with the female fetishism we have on the left like
>>2637181,
>>2637789, and
>>2637363 .
>>2637813>>2637847Good posts.
>>2603000>>2603552Because women sticking with an ideology that benefits them (progressive liberalism) isn't fucking "radicalization" at all. They aren't even turning into rad-libs or Jacobins, or whatever. They are certainly not going to show up in your socialist meetings.
>>2637180Fuck, how based!
Let's reject identity politics and make English completely gender-neutral!
>>2637268>They both social constructsSex is a scientific model, like Newtonian physics or numbers, I personally wouldn't call those social constructs, but they're also not material 'fact' like
>>2637336 seems to be claiming. The number -1 isn't material, but it's useful in interpreting material reality. Newtonian mechanics is a great model for interpreting motion on our scale, but won't enable you to communicate with satellites in space like quantum mechanics does. Models aren't reality, they simplify reality.
The scientific consensus on a biological model of sex has evolved plenty of times. Sex in humans is currently defined chromosomally, and the simple fact that intersex people exist makes it clear that a simple binary model has limitations and is not some definite material fact. I don't examine someone's damn DNA in a lab before deciding on the correct pronouns to address someone.
>>2637899Give me your wallet, you undeserving proletarian scum. I deserve it.
>>2603000>>2603552Are they hot, at least?
>>2637850>quoting Engels<female fetishism on the leftno args
>>2637197>une chemise>un chemisierFrench gendered nouns don't give a fuck about gender. Cling to your nonsense, infant.
>>2637921You're still being liberal in your approach. Science is not this abstract sanitized thing, it is as based in society and economics as anything else is. This is especially true for sex, which is especially effected by scientific consensus, so while for a lot of chemistry you might easily be able to find objectivity, everything to do with sex science is inherently class based and political and you need to view it through this lenses, and so the truth can only come out later. Science is also used by class forces.
You're identifying how the scientific model might be limited, but you haven't gone far enough in looking at the reasons it might be limited.
Anyway, what I mean by sex being partly a social construct is that if you had a completely perfectly passing trans woman with bottom surgery, how would the average person see her as male sexed if they literally can only identify female traits? I think sex expression and gender are probably socially the same thing, and though there are differences here with the scientific consensus on sex, they both go on to influence each other. Limiting sex to chromosomes so as to be scientific is clearly inadequate, but if you try to include other things you will go further into messy social territory, which degrades this stance of an objective science.
I'm not trying to be pomo here, and again I'm not a biologist but a Marxist so I can't really argue about biological stuff.
>>2637957You make a good point about science not being a pure, abstracted thing. Scientists exist in society. One can make a similar point about all of written history being biased in various ways.
>and again I'm not a biologist but a MarxistI'd like to emphasize there's no contradiction between being a biologist and a Marxist.
>if you had a completely perfectly passing trans woman with bottom surgery, how would the average person see her as male sexed if they literally can only identify female traits?My counterpoint is that the average person's opinion doesn't matter when it comes to sex. People in society perceive
gender, based on sexual traits and social cues (behavior, clothing, language, … ) which is all subjective. They may
think they perceive sex, but they don't truly. Edge cases (intersex, androgynous people, … ) put this on display - people can misclassify sex even without any intentional effort of someone to transgress gender.
The model of sex is mostly used in a medical context. If that woman goes to a doctor because they have frequent and painful urination, and the doctor assumes the woman is female, and the patient doesn't disclose they're trans, the doctor might fail to check for prostate cancer, or may give an inappropriate dose of a drug*. So, when it comes to certain aspects of society, it's important to differentiate our scientific model of sex from other concepts like gender, or sexual traits (genitals, breasts, etc.).
*
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/women-are-overmedicated-because-drug-dosage-trials-are-done-men-study-finds >>2637985>They may think they perceive sex, but they don't trulyAnother example of this is "transvestigation" lunatics who misclassify sexes of cis people as trans. They think they can tell someone's sex through pseudo-scientific analysis of body parts, based on traits
Western society perceive as masculine or feminine, and end up claiming Margot Robbie and Marilyn Monroe are trans.
But even everyday people can be wrong. There are people who were only revealed to not be cis after getting biological testing in the Olympics - everyone
including themself understood them to be (say) female. It's obvious through these examples that sex cannot be truly perceived without tools. We can guess with reasonable accuracy, that's a biological reproductive skill, but natural humans can't perceive sex with absolute certainty.
Women are just people man, stop with the nonsense
>>2603983man you are the second coming of mao
>>2637183The elimination of Bourgeois Femininity in the future World Maoist Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution by forcing all Women to have extremely Short Hair (Pixie Cut or Shorter with a Shaved Head being the most Historically Progressive), banning all Dresses/Makeup/Lipstick etc. is designed to create Liberated Socialist Women who are free from the Symbolic Superstructural Chains (symbolized by Long Hair on Women, with these Symbolic Superstructural Chains being broken when Women get their Hair Cut/Chopped/Shaved off) of Patriarchy and the Reactionary Gender Binary is the opposite of “extreme schizo-misogyny”, and if you believe that my Maoist position on Women’s Hair Length is “extreme schizo-misogyny” then you must believe that Mao Zedong himself had “extreme schizo-misogyny”, because everything I described about forcing Women to have extremely Short Hair (Pixie Cut or Shorter with a Shaved Head being the most Historically Progressive), banning all Dresses/Makeup/Lipstick etc. happened in the IRL Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in Maoist China, with Mao stating about Women’s Hair length that “Two Braids is Feudal, One Braid is Capitalist, and Shoulder length is Revisionist”, with Mao ordering the Red Guards to give any Women with Feudal, Capitalist, or Revisionist Hairstyles the “Yin-Yang Cut” in which Half of their Head was shaved, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️ 💇♀️👩🦲!
>>2637268Comrade S Poster, can you explain how I am “Sexist”, “Racist”, and “Zionist”, and as a Maoist I am sure you realize that my Maoist position on Women’s Hair Length comes from Mao himself, 🤔?
Because I radicalized them, no need to thank me but I'm really cool like that.
"I'm a woman and I want rights" isn't radical, chuddy
>>2638142dresses are comfy tho. if you want equality just make the boys wear them too
>>2638353I am not appropriating scottish culture.
>>2637815Goodbye capitalism.
>>2637318Mods, permaban this ultroid bordigger for transphobia, NOW!
>>2638375Does this mean hormone treatment or do you just have to crossdress, cook and clean?
>>2638375Name those expectations trccnyugha
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2638377hormones are only if you want them, or if you don't take your reeducation seriously. but yes to the rest.
>>2638382crazy that as well as king lear our jannies think the illiterate incel who hangs around to call everyone 'trccns' every day is a valued and worthwhile person that should be protected and kept around.
>>2637311
>There isn't a single characteristic that makes someone's sex a man or a womanIn biology, the definition of sex in a sexual reproducing species is:
A male is the member of the species that has the potential to produce the smaller gamete.
A female is the member of the species that has the potential to produce the larger gamete.
(And a hermaphrodite would be a member of the species that has the potential to produce, though amongst humans there have been no cases documented of true hermaphrodites in this sense).
>>2649537I still buy chicks a meal on a date. It's not that big a deal it's only 50 bucks or so.
>>2637180You're a normie doing a trans LARP to get arthoe pussy.
>>2649961
It’s true, I’ve wasted so much time injecting horse steroids into my penis
>>2649537>>2649631It's taken me the wisdom and zen of old age (25) to learn this; it's not even a chivalry thing. Buy food for people if you have the money for it. If they insist otherwise, ask them to buy the next round. Pub society.
Yes, society has systemic biases which disadvantage women. Consider them.
But let's misapply that logic; do you see White peoples buying drinks for Black peoples?
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