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>"We should try to overcome capitalism's contradictions by reshaping and changing the economy"
>*tries in all kinds of different forms*
>fails massively all the time

Apart from blaiming the CIA, or claiming that these countries were well functionning, shouldn't marxists and other socialists try to adress this ? What made it so that everytime a new alternative system was propped up, it died within a few decades later and couldn't subsist without massive repression ?
Do you guys have an actual non-utopist way of coordinating labor (hard mode : no super computer ai and realist) without private property and without having the internal contradictions of markets show up ?(Rule 15)

1. Stop calling them failures and see them as the success which they were.

>>2614383
>success
>the only remaining existing """socialist""" countries are capitalist but with a socialist bureaucracy
perhaps that's the chosen way then…

>>2614380
what countries are you talking about?

The left doesn't actually want to win. You have to factor this into all your calculations.

>>2614380
>What do we do of the failures of the 20th century
Learn from them. Above all, reject and strenuously argue against anyone who peddles the view that familiarizing yourself with socialist history or theory is counterproductive or a "waste of time" and that the important thing is that "leftists" all come together and unite to gain relevance, regardless of very real and important differences. Such people, consciously or not, are acting in the service of the same political forces that led to the defeat of the proletarian movement throughout the 20th century and, if you follow their advice, you are doomed to repeat those failures you reference.

Importantly, some of those failures you reference (e.g., police repression and bureaucracy in the communist governments) are legitimate problems and have historical explanations. Others (e.g., the alleged "calculation problem" that bourgeois economists say proves economic planning and the abolition of private property are impossible) are not failures at all but idealist smokescreens that politically act as justifications for counterrevolution. The fact that you lump these all together suggests that you are perhaps theoretically ungrounded. I'd recommend, before anything else, reading Marx and Engels' principle works if you haven't already.


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