Almost all "mental illnesses" are just unique brain wiring that disagrees with modern
industrio-capitalist society than an actual flaw with someone's being. ADHD is the
perfect example of this, because people with ADHD absolutely excel at certain tasks
that most people couldn't possibly achieve, and in general ADHD havers can actually
manage their unique traits when they aren't flooded with 24/7/365 distractions and
noise that is nearly impossible to escape from in the modern world.
>yet another "autism is my superpower" thread but about adhd now
adhd makes you an actual mongoloid unless youre on meth lite to make you relatively normal
>>2618629ADHD isn't real in 80% of the cases, it's just Ipad kids, they'd get a normal education and not brainrot, they'd probably be fine. But now they're fucked.
In any case, your logic is fucking retarded, I've got a cousin that deeply autistic, 30 years old, can't even talk, in what society do you think he can live independantly, this isn't just some "unique brain wiring" he'll never have a normal life in whatever society that exists.
Thats the same with "mental illnesses" as you say, someone Dyslexic or Dyspraxic will be able to live a normal life, but they'll also need help for certain stuff, not even talking about like depression or schizophrenia. Yeah Psychiatry has it's retarded shit too, but it's not all shite.
>>2618629>Almost all "mental illnesses" are just unique brain wiring I believe that any educated physician would agree with this to an extent when its not hormonal problem.
>that disagrees with modern industrio-capitalist societyThere are certainly epigenetics at play too.
>than an actual flaw with someone's being. Imagine me hitting your head with a hammer and you got brain damage. Would your sudden behaviour change be caused by faulty wiring reacting industrial society?
>ADHD is theperfect example of this, This is in the field of neurology i.e the study of brain structure and its development.
>because people with ADHD absolutely excel at certain tasksAgreed. There is hypothesis about most hunter-gatherers were ADHD and this trait is slowly becoming extinct as environment change didnt favor this trait.
>that most people couldn't possibly achieve, and in general ADHDCan be a horrible affliction that 100% worsens your life. Sure you can live in the forest and try to hunt deer with a spear but I believe most people suffering from ADHD would rather live in a post-industrial society like we now have.
Reddit spacing? Go back to stupidpol
so many big pharma shills wow
>>2618679Psychologist cannot give medication
trvke thread
Didn't psychiatry discredit itself the moment that it played nice with religious nutjobs?
>>2618681yeah they just derive you to a shrink that will
>>2618629Astrology but with institutional funding. Psychology is bullshit. It's just to get easy money.
Listen, you psychiatry pipsqueaks. You may think you terrify people with your phony show of ultra-materialism, hyper-organic focus on disease, extreme skepticism, etc., and with backing support from an endless array of cheap horror fiction, but you're speaking to a MARXIST MATERIALIST. You and I are not the same. You "graciously" accept Christcucks and all the other safety-in-numbers spiritual dross of the world while holding less mainstream and easily bully-able spiritual kooks in contempt. I hold them both in contempt, and I hold YOU in contempt. You pathetic little weaklings.
>>26186291. ADHD is one of the only examples of this, since most issues aren't considered to be innate in the same way. It's still debatable to what degree ADHD is innate
2. every thought, memory, and emotion is brain wiring. People who have certain patterns of thinking and feeling have certain patterns of brain function or physiology. Your claim is that all of these deviations from average are innate and organic in origin, but there isn't proof of that. In fact there is correlation between certain conditions and childhood environmental factors, giving credibility to the opposite, that many conditions are environmental/developmental.
3. we live in a particular society that contains unique and particular conditions. For any given innate neurotype, they might happen to either thrive or have difficulties under a given society. There is no guarantee of a society in which all neurotypes are equally adaptive. What's wrong with noticing deficits in functioning or well being and happiness and attempting to administer fixes at the only currently possible level - individual - while we still work to change society? And what if we actually need these fixes in order to be adaptive enough (have the energy, emotional stability, time, etc.) to change society? Even just to survive most people have chemical crutches, e.g. caffeine to wake up, nicotine for work, alcohol to relax.
So my question is: what advantage is it to frame things in this way? I think it's juvenile ultra-left critique of society that doesn't care about how we achieve liberation or even day to day survival, and only concerns itself with the purity of its critique. But also it's just flawed, the brain wiring is a correlation, it's not a one way causative factor, the brain is plastic especially developmentally but even as an adult.
>>2618629>Almost all "mental illnesses" are just unique brain wiringYou could say every illness is just "unique biology". Obviously "illness" is a made up concept. Who cares?
>>2618629also this is a hotdog school level critique, it's basically feudal dickriding, so what if in another less technological society your disability is a superpower? It's not a critique of society to cry about not being well adapted to it and pointing to a society where you would be well adapted. Neither are universal. In both certain traits are adaptive and certain traits are not. In a feudal society a man who can't walk couldn't farm and would be extremely disabled and have to be totally supported by family, or die. Today a man who can't walk could perform many clerical functions and has miles of flat ground to roll around on. Also if your level of adaptation is not set in stone, it's even less of a critique of society. If society makes certain traits a disadvantage and then also provides their treatment, can you blame society? If you are disadvantaged but with some effort could overcome that disadvantage, how is that society's fault if you're still disadvantaged, doesn't some of the blame go to you as well? I'm not saying this to be callous but as a critique it's weak for this reason, it undermines itself.
>>2618808Wrong. My therapist I have seen for 1.5 years has never once recommended a psychiatrist or told me to see one at all
>>2618935>1.5 yearsRookie numbers. You're still being milked with talk therapy. The chemical lobotomizers come when you start presenting signs of skepticism.
>>2618956 (me)
I'm just taking the piss, btw.
It's quite easy to find psychologists who don't think much of psychiatry (other than shared psychotherapy approaches such as CBT).
Yes and no. Many conditions are not inherently an issue but many are, at least if not in the right environment but it is not something caused by capitalistic influence to the environment in every case.
>>2618656The height of ADHD and ADD diagnosis was in the 90s when many homes did not even have a computer.
>>2618913Literally, they're scammers
Ask a psychiatrist whether crystal healing or some other such woo is a delusion. You'll be smugly criticized.
Ask a psychiatrist whether Jeeebus giving you the keys to heaven in the afterlife is a delusion. "Uh, well, you see, well…"
>>2619063Highly educated are usually agnostic/atheists in 1st world countries.
what the fuck is wrong with people in this thread
>>2619077The psychiatrists themselves are largely atheists. But institutional psychiatry nowadays refuses to condemn mainstream spiritual delusions with the same energy used to condemn more eccentric spiritual delusions. So why should any Marxist take them seriously?
The old joke goes "Tell a shrink that God speaks to you, you're fine. Tell a shrink that the Devil or an alien speaks to you, you're getting vanned."
>>2619197>"That's how capitalism works" (his final words)How is anti-psychiatry "bunk" again?
We had such threads for years now, starting at the 8ch days, and almost always ppl who defend psychiatry and bug pharma turn out to be drug addicts themselves, having been prescribed on dubious grounds the "legal kind if" meth.
I spit on you and your inevitably soon to come graves.
>>2619197Another american seeing genocide in everything
>>2619077>Highly educated are usually agnostic/atheists in 1st world countries.No, they usually get into the occult or weird shit.
>>2619221Small insignificant minority. This reminds me of local mensa society being full of schizo ufo believers. Getting to medicine in university and specialising into psychiatry is much more harder than mensa.
>because people with ADHD absolutely excel at certain tasks that most people couldn't possibly achieve
This is absolutely not true lol
>>2619225Sorry but this is wrong. They are hunters in a farmer world that excel in a fast changing environment.
>>2619208
Fun fact: its actually antipsychotics that rot their brain
>>2619229They can't live without them
observe: the westoid drug addict (psychiatrically "medicated") will defend his addiction to the last breath, even tho every scientific study shows that psycho-therapy actually helps while drugs worsen the condition.
Meth-heads can't be helped…. smh
>>2619230Yes, meth is a dangerous drug!!
>>2619229Both are right. There is brain volume loss from drugs and psychosis itself is toxic to the brain + your life will be horrible.
>>2619238>There's brain volume loss from<psychosis + antipsychoticsIf only we had reliable evidence of brain dmg loss from ordinary psychosis without drugs.
Crypto-primitivist and luddite thread
>>2619246 (pro-capitalist, anti-science)
>>2619197 (anti-capitalist, pro-science)
>>2619195 (anti-capitalist, pro-science)
>>2619186 (anti-capitalist, pro-science)
>>2619181 (anti-capitalist, pro-science)
Questions??
>>2619246>luddite is when anti-loompenWhat did westoid mean by this?
>>2619252Probably your reactionary anti-scientific views of lifting yourself by the bootstraps to sick people.
ADHD is not real . How can there be a lack of attention? It doesn’t make sense from a philosophical standpoint point . Not lying attention is a form of attention.
>>2619260Literally, you anti-science faggot:
>every review shows that psycho-therapy helps immensely while psychiatric drugs make everything worseEnjoy defending your drug addiction, westoid. Drugs are the ultimate TREAT
>>2619261See above vids. Scientific evidence show that kids a few months younger in a classroom have more adhd "diagnosis". Kids who are in classrooms that don't have 32 pupils but 24nare reduced risk of "adhd". it's a literal scam.
You have been scammed by big pharma just like you have been scammed by big processed food, and so on.
THESE ARE ESTABLISHED FACTS. >>2619261>vibes and opinions>>2619262>every review shows that psycho-therapy helps immensely while psychiatric drugs make everything worseNo intelligent person would ever consider that psychosis patient can be treated only by therapy. And besides its a false dichotomy as both alone are ineffective and used together effective for less serious disorders than schizophrenia or ADHD.
>Enjoy defending your drug addiction, westoid. Drugs are the ultimate TREATYes people having heart medication are addicted to drugs.
>>2619265Its certainly true its over diagnosed.
>>2619261This. The bourgeois brainwashed the sheep, ADHD is just a way to take drugs easily. Easy to diagnose too.
>>2619231>even tho every scientific studyCite them
An actual paper, not some garbage pop sci website or twitter thread >>2619276Do you know any ADHD person? I know and they calm down and can sleep better using amphetamines. Its completely opposite effect from neurotypical taking these drugs.
The westernoid drug addict patient will defend to the last drop of his blood his right of access to """medicinal""" drugs meth.
>>2619286Bruh, like, stop ignoring your children, stop giving them iPhones to placate them, stop putting them into crowded classrooms, and *magically* "adhd" disappears, like wtf.
>>2619283Fucking youtube videos. Not a single scientific paper. Try again.
>>2619286I'm a bit skeptical of this, but there was a time when I was doing speed recreationally and my ADHD girlfriend snorted a big fat line and then immediately took a nap for two hours. Never seen anything like it.
>>2619293>Learned problems with attention span is the same as ADHDNgmi
>>2619297>my ADHD girlfriend snorted a big fat line and then immediately took a nap for two hours. Never seen anything like it.Its real. I distrust over-diagnosis but I know from drug interaction if the person has ADHD.
>>2619298Literally read the DSM categorizing adhd, you retard. Literally read clasroom size vs. "adhd" occourence stats, you retard. Literally read childhood mobile adoption vs. "adhd" studies, you retard.
Every study points to this fact:
"ADHD" = CHILD NEGLECTTHAT IS ALL, YOU MORON, USEFUL IDIOT OF CAPITAL!
>>2619295Like 50 papers are cited in those vids, fyi, you dishonest little shit
>>2619307But you haven't read a single one of them, have you? I'm not emotionally invested in this debate, I think things like ADHD medication and anti-depressants probably are overprescribed. However, citing sensationalistic youtube shorts or instagram reels or whatever ("EXPOSES BIG PHARMA AS ORGANIZED CRIME" come on) shows you're a scientifically illiterate moron.
>>2619306>Every study points to this fact:>ADHD" = CHILD NEGLECTCongrats on rationalizing your reactionary views. Nothing a struggle session cant heal.
>>2619327You are an useful idiot for capital. That is my personal interpretation. Please, by all means, keep drugging your westoid children while the Global South solves these issues thru consultations and psychotherapy.
I'm unironically asking you to keep medicalizing and chemically castrating your children on the altar of the profit-motive. The rest of the world WILL benefit.
Thank you for sacrifice for this matter.
>>2619332I interpret this emotionally charged chimpout as a "yes" to my question
<But you haven't read a single one of them, have you? >>2618960This is just false, in the USA (didn't find the numbers for other countries) 6% of kids were diagnosed with ADHD in 1996, in 2023 it was 11% and it's only increasing.
FORGET EVERYTHING I SAID ABOVE MEDICATING CHILDREN!
PLEASE KEEP DOING IT!! IT IS LITERALLY THIRLD-WORLDIST PRAXIS TO DRUG FIRST WORLD CHILDREN!!!
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, KEEP DOING IT!!!!
THX,
t. Rest of the world
>>2619336Above cited vids explain why this happens, btw.
Sociological circumstances increase + DSM requirements decrease = more profits.
>>2619342Contrarian of the contrarians
>>2619332>You are an useful idiot for capital.Rightoids love to drop mthis whejn talking about muh vax and muh drugs. they think it's a own lmao
<noooo tech is moral bad cause it is being used in a capitalist system nooo >>2619344Keep drugging first world children, please!
It's the progressive thing to do!
>>2619347What is your personal stake in this? Do you believe you have ADHD and it was "healed" by talking to people?
If u think about it fentanyl is the most progressive praxis globally.
Not even shitposting.
Let first world labour aristocrat rats die the death they deserve.
>>2619353I retract everything I said above. Please keep taking the "medicine" and make sure to give an ample amount to the next first world generation.
T R E A T S
>>2619355How's Portland ?
>>2619361Give them more fentanyl and more SSRIs, preferably to children of portland.
IT IS A FACT THAT FIRST WORLD CHILDREN HAVE A CHEMICAL IMBALANCE IN THEIR BRAINS
TO REFUSE THEM MORE CHEMICAL-BALANCING MEDICINE WOULD AMOUNT TO GENOCIDE!
GIVE FIRST WORLD CHILDREN THE MAXXXIMUM AMOUNT OF BRAIN CHEMICAL BENEFITTING DRUGS!!
THIS IS SCIENCE! DON'T LISTEN TO TURD WORLDIST ANTI-SCIENCE!!
My child was having problem sith listening at school, but then I gave her a cocktail of meth and fentanyl and all is solved, 100%
Please medicate your kids, fellow Americans. It's FDA approved!
Mods, permaban all psychiatry shills.
They have psychiatrists in China and there were psychiatrists in the USSR. It’s not going away.
>>2619362Look mate, none of us are giving you fent, get over yourself.
KEEP FIRST WORLD CHILDREN MEDICATED!
KFWCM!!!!!!!!
>>2619371VERY TRUE, FELLOW COMRADE!
THEREFORE WE MUST GIVE ANGLO-SAXON CHILDREN THE MAXXXIMUM DOSAGE OF BRAIN-CHEMICAL-BALANCING DRUGS!
>>2619368This. Not a heathy (literally) discussion.
INJECT ALL GOLDEN BILLINOID CHILD WITH SSRIs!!!
MOVE ALL NON-CONFORMING GOLDEN-BILLIONIOD PEOPLE INTO INSANE ASYLUMS!!
MOVE ALL GOLDEN-BILLIONIOID AUTISTS INTO MILITARY DRONE CONTROL FARMS. HAVE THEIR PENISES/BAGINOS CONNECTED TO AN INSTAN-GRATIFICATION MACHINE: WHEN THEY(/THEM) KILL A GLOBAL SOUTHERNER VIA DRONE THEY GET INSTA-GRATIFICATION VIA MACHINE!!!
ENSURE THAT ALL 3 YEAR OLD GOLDEN BILLIONIOID CHILDREN ARE REGISTERED ON FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, YOUTUBE, AND TIKTOK. MAKE THEM POST EVERY DAY AND HARVEST THEIR INTERACTIONS FOR UNLIMITED PERSONALIZED ADVERTISEMENTS!!
INJECT EVERY GOLDEN-BILLIONOID CHILDREN WITH FENTANYL FROM AGE 3, AND INCREASE THE DOSAGE EVERY MONTH!!
Funny how every anti-psych halfwit has BPD. Curious.
>>2619446Hes a clear example that you can behave healthy without medication.
>>2619446>>2619453All people from the Global North who oppose the big pharma conglomerate needs to be forced into insane asylums or forced to take SSRIs.
FACT! >>2619286Sounds like it's an anecdotal point of view
>>2619368Agreed. Psychiatry is a scam.
>>2619372People with ADHD should just admit they're making shit up to justify being an asshole and to get drugs.
>>2619462>People with ADHD should just admit they're making shit up to justify being an asshole and to get drugs.mods, please ban this person for interfering with my easy access to legal meth
Do autistic people even take meds?
>>2619460Its not. Sometimes I wish I was ADHD because they are so social.
>>2619465Is it possible to commit suicide with it?
Big Pharma is doing a lot for anti-imperialism.
>>2619466There really is no medication that fixes it.
>>2619462>Psychiatry is a scam.Based and correct.
>People with ADHD should just admit they're making shit upRetarded ultra position.
Where were people with ADHD before the mobile phone?
"Autism is a superpower" mfs are super delusional - they view autism through a rose-tinted lens. It is just a different way that someone's brain works. What's more, there are hordes of zoomers pretending they have autism despite not being officially diagnosed. Also, JFK Jr. thinks autism is an "epidemic"
>>2619476Paracetamol gave Paradox employees a living wage
>>2619475Being beaten by teachers because they were unable to sit quiet? Being left handed was considered fake in the past.
>>2619480It still is. Don’t trust anyone who claims to use their lefthand. Very shifty people. None of them have shadows.
>>2619480>Being beaten by teachers because they were unable to sit quiet?Isn't that a good thing? Classes should be quiet. Do they have special needs classrooms? Just send them there, their fault for getting diagnosed.
>>2619482That's astrology tier
>>2619485Who invited Count Dracula into the thread? Precipitously more soulless as you post
Never ask a man his salary
Never ask a woman her age
Never ask a leftypol user their opinion on ADHD and psychiatry
>>2619489Never ask a man his salary
Never ask a woman her age
Never ask a labour aristocrat about SSRIs
>>2619483Maybe give medication so they can live normal lives instead of being sent to special classes.
I never understood what SSRIs were
>>2619483I have autism yet i never was in special ed classes
>>2619496>medication so they can live normal livesAll of these claims are debunked by facts and science here:
>>2619247 >>2619500legal meth
>>2619501Very based and übermensch pilled
>>2619496>medication>normal livesWhats the longest time you have been on psych meds?
>>2619476It's also very ignorant of servere cases of autism, I have an autistic cousin who is in his 30s and he can't even speak, he has practically the intelligence of a toddler, I really don't see how this is a "superpower"
>>2619501We knew you are autistic the moment you said you are a 'economic socialist, civil anarchist'.
>namefag on namefag violence
you ALL need some legal meth
>>2619500A huge grift, its crazy how ineffective they are compared to even other psych meds yet the average shrink will tell you they are great and thats totally ok if you take them for life.
>>2619511i never look at the names kek
>>2619515Shrinks are useless
Couldn't save Tony
>>2619496They can literally live normal lives though? Just don't speak too much.
>>2619502Cherry picked shit to defend your vibes based opinions.
>>2619570>Cherry picked shit to defend your vibes based opinions.sounds like psychiatry
>>2619639even shrinks themselves will tell you all they do is vibes based
>>2619030>Literally, they're scammersYep. We know why they don't label mainstream religious beliefs as delusions and why they come up with their numbers-based cope about what constitutes a delusion: because they'd run themselves out of business if they insulted so many people. Ergo, they prioritize money, killing their credibility with everything else. How is one supposed to know whether or not they're drawing out treatment to get more money?
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