/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2630661
The ones that do exist are oftentimes difficult to find or identify externally and some may not want attention brought to themselves. I'd also like to make a distinction between mutual aid organizations and dual power organizations. Mutual aid organizations are not nessecarily counter to capital and may assist in its stability as they may act to take on various unprofitable functions or welfare functions which the state would normally provide without challenging the state directly and may also lean heavily on the supply chains of capital. Dual power organizations, on the other hand, seek to directly oppose the state and form supply chains parallel to capital insofar as it is possible.

Otherwise, the main issues I see in no particular order are:
1 - Lack of urgency
For the majority of first worlders, they are not in a state of acute crisis. As such, the main push to form dual power networks comes from ideological/moral grounds as opposed to the need of themselves or loved ones. In addition, most needs have some sort of state agency/bourgeois NGO dedicated to them which, in general, far outstrip the capabilities of new mutual aid orgs. As above, what networks or orgs do exist do not nessecarily act in opposition to capital.

2 - Lack of skills
This one speaks for itself. Organization is a skill, logistics is a skill, planning is a skill, budgeting is a skill. Many ideologically reliable individuals are lacking in these skills and more. God knows half the commies I know don't even know what tyre pressures their cars should be running. Each lack of technical or social skill compounds and makes each operation that much harder. Most dangerously, lacking in discipline or mistaking discipline for aceticism and isolation.

3 - Lack of capital
Shit is expensive. The ideologically reliable people are not nessecarily the richest and those who are rich are likely not about to let it all go. This can be mitigated with sufficient skill, especially as regards scavenging equipment but alas. Where this really hits hardest is lack of secure floor space.

Anyway, I'm phoneposting and it's late. I'll finish off by saying that commies could really do with some study into military science. The imperial core is literally enemy territory and the commie is a guerilla. The task of the guerilla is not to directly assault the bastions of capital but to establish the supply lines and identify targets which will, when the time is right, allow the regular force to strike as the rolling thunder.

>>2630692
Good points about everything, though I think youre placing a little too much emphasis on skills mate. The community doesnt need competence as much as it needs cooperation and actual planning.

>>2630761
>The community doesnt need competence as much as it needs cooperation and actual planning.
These are skills too. Indeed, competence is a very powerful social tool. If a group appears like it's floundering around, wasting resources and generally being a group where the blind leads the blind, the wider "community" will likely not want to have much to do with it despite good intentions. People want to follow the competent when the going gets rough. Still, you are right to point out that competence is not nessecarily in short supply within a population however we should keep in mind how small the intersection between the technically/organizationally skilled and the politically reliable is.

Of course, it will grow over time, but starting from scratch in the state we find ourselves in nessecitates that we flounder around as little as we can. If we are inheritors of the world revolution and seek to decouple ourselves from the clutches of the state, we must be competent.

>>2631251
Eh fair

i think i love communists and anarchists more than i love the proletariat

huh

>>2630661
I think the deeper reason that this happens is that almost no one has a real step by step plan to get to proletarian dictatorship (if they even believe in that). They have a voluntarist conception of struggle, where they just need to convince enough people to support their ideas and then that will spontaneously transform into the capacity to successfully revolt and then rule. Since the goal is convincing people, marketing is the strategy. So visibility is what's prioritized.


What the real plan is: build dual power that challenges the capitalists' governance over the people. Offer them material aid that the government doesn't, offer them protection from the government goons as well as criminals and intervening in and adjudicating civil disputes. Eventually when there is enough community support to do so with impunity, businesses can be taxed, territory can be contested from the state, and at the point that territory can be held from the state immediately there's the ability to do landlord expropriations, set up unions in every large workplace, start SEOs to compete with capitalist business, and so on. The leninists/trots have no clue what revolution entails, they think that it goes: build up party numbers and media subscriptions -> working class spontaneously revolts -> somehow lead the revolts with your popularity -> win. The real way that historical revolutions show us is the building of dual power. Part of that is media but it's only a part. We have to contest ruling class media, ruling class welfare/aid, ruling class arbitration, ruling class security, ruling class law, ruling class taxation, and so on until we are the state of the proletariat and we clash with the state of the bourgeoisie and our superior organization and territorial support carries us to victory.