/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

This place is for shitposting and calling each other cryptofascists dumbass go ask in a real leftist forum

>>2639115
>real leftist forum
Like?

>>2639115
None are genuinely communist. I have also been shocked to be in the position I find myself now. Why not "larp" with me and let me know how you'd approach things in my position?

>>2639111
If this is the route you take you must do it with organisation behind you, you must have people able to utilise media.
Maybe you will die, likely you will have life changing injury, make certain you are comited to this beforehand.

>>2639115
As an aside, are you new here? One of the best reading groups I've ever been in was facilitated through this website. There's more potential imminent on this site than you may be giving credit for, you just have to coax it out of everyone. It's the reason I'm coming back after 6 year at a loss for finding advice in a place that will not get me on a list.

>>2639125
How do I find an organization that will be receptive to this approach without being delusional? Do you think a like-minded group of around 15 people would suffice as a support network? I have that much (including rank and file members) among me.

I'm committed to life-changing injury but not death. BUT. without traditional striking at my disposal can you think of another way I can light the match among the rank and file without risking life and limb? Only half of them read the paper.

Instead of acting right away, why not try to gather support for an actual strike?

>>2639142
Once again, striking is illegal for public sector employees in my area.I will be dealing with resistance from both the union and the city were I to agitate for a strike among rank and file.
Additionally, the people who do my jobs are typically sensitive types and since the children we work with are so vulnerable that they feel viscerally terrible when I miss work. I do too, hence why I want to begin on the day when school is off for the summer.

I have started garnering interest in getting people receptive in joining me in literally sitting in a place, but understandably not hurting themselves like I am considering to do. Do you think us sitting down and refusing to move would suffice? Serious question

>>2639127
The large tent focus (more like diffusion) of this website negates its didactic usefulness.

I learned more and found the correct line faster from transgender communists on xitter than from anyone here.

>>2639156
Yes, sitting in a place is a good idea, and instead of missing time with children, miss the time having to do paperwork, basically making the whole school a mess while kids are taken care of.

>>2639163
I think I know the right line, it's a matter of realizing it.
The site ultimately seems to agree on the value of a vanguard regardless of tendency (beyond its chan autism). Perhaps I am trying to consult the guys confident enough to claim they should be the ones leading the pack! Especially if there's a variance in opinion. All I am asking is for people to be serious for fucking once because I need help

>>2639168
Those are effectively the same thing (paperwork time/kid time, one of many problems), which is why I am wondering whether doing it during down time with the threat of continuation into the coming school year will get the point across without affecting the kids. Do you think I need to roll the dice and do it during session?

>>2639174
Stop thinking you need to make the decision alone, ask your fellow workers if it's a cause worth fighting, if so, then organize with them

>>2639177
I have, they think it is a cause worth fighting but scared that I will get hurt :(

>>2639181
Just sit down as a protest, no need to go on a hunger strike. If all of them sit down and causes havoc it will eventually be a problem for the management

If you work in between each session you can label it as a non-strike protest or something.

>>2639170
You're trying to unionize imperial core labor aristokkkrats to negotiate for a higher share of the superprofits extracted from the world's oppressed majority, so clearly you haven't

>>2639184
How do I agitate over 100 people at the bottom of our departments totem pole to risk their jobs and union representation to go on a wildcat strike?

>>2639190
We have a 2000 person labor shortage, so it's also a matter of getting the government not to rely on the ignorance of RELATIVELY impoverished parents and to make our student's lives better. If you think it's best that we suffer like the neo-imperialist world as atonement, I accept your variation of Christianity but ask you don't share your brilliant insight further

>>2639111
I believe it is, and moreover you should do whatever necessary to acquire further support from your co-workers and your community.

>>2639204
This is not an easy sell. I could have gotten advice like that from my mother and chapter leader. You're a smart guy and supposedly more radical than the radicals, right? Give me some advice I can actually work with.

>>2639196
Bourgeois institutions are the enemies of the proletariat.
Teachers are cops
The purpose of education facilities is to produce little Eichmanns

You should be neither atoning nor trying to "improve" these institutions, but fighting them.

>>2639194
Do they believe it is a cause worth fighting? Do you think you can develop a program for everyone to follow? Can you make sure you can create a system to purge opportunism?

If so, then organize a meeting.

>>2639196
As you can tell, we also have our special need's kid: >>2639190 Please give us some tips on how to deal with him.

>>2639209
Hence my decision to turn the violence inward so the others (and myself) might discover the courage to move outward. This may be the confirmation I needed.

>>2639213
Please stop listening to the autistic turd worldist, come on man, you work with special kids, you should be able to detect he has autism.

>>2639211
Do you think you could elaborate on what you mean by program? I have a basic vision that can probably be summed up as a traditional leninist to something that can help my friends' dream of something better but typically keep it there. I cannot stressed how scared they are at addressing power. Many of them were two steps away from being lumpen so stability will always be their number one priority even if that means a regular trip to the welfare office.
>>2639217 (assuming this is same leftcom) in spite of being closer to your politics I suspect leninhat may be an old friend of mine. If so, GINJEET, this is Eudaimonia hit me up on element chat or the next cytube if all you can do is drop cliches to random anons!

>>2639111
Good luck, you're a good person.

>>2639217
He'll find out that the little eichmanns he's trying to organize don't care and don't want to fight the system that nourishes them, and have too many treats to lose, become dejected and turn reactionary.

Been happening for a century.

>>2639235
What are your goals? Why are those objectives desireable? What do you propose? How do you plan to ger there? What resources do you need? What is the profile of the people you need to work with? What are the conscessions you are willing to make? That's the basic of a program

You are not going to achieve world revolution, but you can cause havoc and get management to work.

>>2639239
This is the christianity at the heart of western leftoidism: doing good deeds, saving one's immortal soul. Material analysis? No, might result in inconvenient conclusions.

>>2639240
Silence autist

>>2639239
My personal advice from the thread: Just send a mail to any news media you can about it, within the region, the town, the city, or the state. The more people know about the horrendous shit, the better.

>>2639247
Am I not allowed to consult materialists about sentimentally driven decision making? This seems likely precisely the situation in which I should do so. Can you recommend any alternatives that are more cognizant of the crimes the people around me are culpable of?

That said, the nearest thing to materialism I can offer is I do think that the people around me are class conscious but fear a revolutionary paradigm. I think this may be a good way to de-sensitize them, hence my inclination toward a more violent path of action (even if self-directed) than some might be inclined toward. Once again, do you think we should just take it to the chin as karmic atonement for our being the second generation of economic migrants?
>>2639241
All I want is havoc. I want them to know havoc is possible for people who don't want to participate in the goofy shit that is typical of the American left. And that said havoc might affect some sort of change.

>>2639249
That's the plan with an announcement of my intentions. I was thinking about giving them a roadmap of how I will limit my calories as leverage, followed by the outright strike. Do you think I should start with basic awareness and no threats?

>>2639258
Fighting the system is in the interest of those who have no stakes in the system. As in, those who are targeted by it for suppression and elimination. Namely, the internally colonized (black people), the indigenous, gender oppressed, immigrant labor, etc. You should be organizing *them*.
Government employees are not that.

Also, hunger strikes don't work on those who don't care if you live or die. To them, you're just trash that conveniently cleans itself up.

>>2639206
Okay, then. I'll provide firstly advice on how not to die from a hunger strike. What would be good is to slightly fatten up, as after the first couples of days, your body begins to consume and rely on your fat, and you want that to last as long as possible because afterwards, your muscles and organs are next on the chopping block, and you don't really want that to happen.

Secondly, if you really wanna put your hunger strike to use, you need publicity. To do so, go see local newspapers and local TV stations, telling them about your incoming hunger strike (of course, not like a trillion months in advance, maybe a week at most), explaining to them exactly why you're doing it, and what you want to happen in order for you to not kill yourself (the aforementioned bill being brought to a vote). It is crucial that this hunger strike obtains the most publicity possible, otherwise it will be in vain.

Thirdly, you'll want the support and awareness of your co-workers and community. First, if you have people you believe already support you and are willing to help you, go ahead and contact them for this, you'll need them. You need to go see co-workers, individually or in small groups, and talk to them about whatever you want to do, and whatever you need them to do. Then, you need to do the same with members of your community. It is incredibly necessary that you TALK to them, like actually engage with them, acquire their attention.

In terms of talking to people, you need to know a couple of things. One, if you have something you can distribute to them, like flyers or whatever else, that can help them retain information for a long time, DO IT. However, it is SECONDARY to speaking to them. Two, addresing how to talk to them, you need to have some kind of conversation starter, this is really up to your interpretation, and you need to let them respond to you. It has to be a conversation, and not you flooding them with information. Tell them about the situation, and ask them what they think about it. Explain to them the importance of it, and of what you're doing, and what you need them to do, and make sure to ask if they don't understand anything. The maximum you can keep talking before they have to respond is thirty seconds, somewhere around that ballpark, otherwise they will get bored/annoyed. And furthermore, the maximum amount of time you can talk to them is 3-5 minutes, you can go over that amount of time if you really judge it necessary.

Hope this helps! Most of this advice comes from personal experience.

People wwho have the willpower, commitment and principles enough to starve themselves would be more useful as revolutionaries than martyrs.

>>2639278
This is what I needed, thank you. If you can share, was the experience similar to what I'm considering? How did it pan out?
>>2639285
Unfortunately imperial core HAS been made complacent. While it may not be me, I am of the opinion that they will need to see a genuine martyr to compel revolution.

>>2639133
> Do you think a like-minded group of around 15 people would suffice as a support network? I have that much (including rank and file members) among me.
Probably more than enough. If they are committed to the campaign. It's always relatively few people doing all the heavy lifting in these things.
I mean no offence but if you are not prepared for death i do not think you are prepared to go on a hunger strike. The possibility is distinct. If they do not give in to demands, how long do you go? Maybe they just wait you out.

>>2639289
>Was the experience similar to what I'm considering?
Errrr… well. Yes and no. The similarities are that we were attempting to initiate pressure on the local government to stop raping the education system, since roofs were collapsing, water was spilling into classrooms, heating barely worked, and some classes were missing tables and chairs with nearly 35 students per class, alongside massive labor shortages.
>How did it pan out?
The fight is still continuing, however it has not been in any way successful (yet!) mainly because the organization has not grown large enough, not nearly enough, and the local government is working off of a majority so hitler that even removing the party they're coalitioned with will leave them an absolute majority, meaning that we can't really pressure them without paralyzing the local economy, which we are not yet capable of doing.

>>2639295
Some game theory would be applicable here, right? The more believable the risk of death is to the opposition, the more willing they should be to yield. And on the flip side, if they know you'll fold before death (as OP somewhat unstrategically has confessed they'll do) then they will absolutely just wait you out.

>>2639302
This is also the use of riling up locals and coworkers, if you get near death, they'll hopefully go apeshit, and if you are forced to fold, you can eventually convince them to launch a wildcat strike.

>>2639299
>I'm doing X, you should do X
>did it work?
>no
Western leftism

>>2639319
Issue is that the strategy I'm proposing is different in many ways to that that we pursued, and it's evaluated failures and weaknesses do not apply here in the slightest.

>>2639323
So you're suggesting something you haven't tested in practice

>>2639111
I have never seen a hunger strike do anything.
This isn't me trying to be a do-nothing pessimist, I applaud what you're doing, but hunger strikes are genuinely useless.

>>2639262
>I was thinking about giving them a roadmap of how I will limit my calories as leverage, followed by the outright strike. Do you think I should start with basic awareness and no threats?
I believe giving a roadmap might make it look a bit less threatening, will you be sleeping over in the public during the strike? Maybe Gandhi'd have written resources on this.

>>2639116
nukechan is arguably bigbrain leftypol

>>2639423
do people even use Nukechan?

>>2639319
if you keep trying it'll probably work eventually

>>2639111
>Tl;Dr: in spite of what was OSTENSIBLY overwhelming support to the powers that be, the political will of both the politicians and leadership dissipated as soon as election day had come and past. Like a fool, I said as much to my co-workers and have let them down tremendously. I have to make this up.
Fuck politicians. I feel for you anon. I can't help, but I am sending my energy.

>>2639111
I'm going to be honest, OP, you're at the wrong place. I've made threads about labor strikes years ago and people here don't give a shit. This place rewards trolls and other bad-faith actors with adoration and the corruption seeps from top down.
>>2639423
>nukechan is arguably bigbrain leftypol
Wish that place was more active, TBH.

>>2639584
The actual problem with this place is not that people are people are "trolling" OP, but on the contrary that they're encouraging his pointless christian-brained martyrdom.

>>2639412
Got bobby sands elected, not that that came to much, but either way. Deaths can galvanized a generation. The PA hunger-strike is ongoing but we'll see how that goes.
I've seen hunger strikes for localised things work, there were multiple successful hunger strikes for greater prison conditions by so on of the 2008 generation anarchist terrorists that come to mind.
Didn't Mamnadamanadi do a successful hunger strike for taxi drivers or something? Although maybe i miss remember and it did not end in gains.

>>2639617
dude, people these days watch gore videos for fun, or children blown up by bombs and then post about how they deserved it

death doesn't mean anything, we're in a post end of history moral nadir

>>2639652
An entire generation has been instantly polarized against Israel because they livestreamed a genocide. Death DOES mean something, actually.

>>2639156
Yeah just sit down and block the school entrance or something, no need to hunger strike when they might just really force you to either bail or die

>>2639689
I'll come around when any of it means anything other than clout generating social media selfies during an ineffectual protest, or aboard an unarmed boat carrying paltry amounts of supplies that everyone knew in advance would be intercepted at the blockade

>>2639590
Shut up, how old are you? Atleast he's doing something while you're in you're room playing CS2 all day

https://striketracker.ilr.cornell.edu/ might be useful?