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This is the last strategy the left has. Also why the right and religion are so successful. People are too brainwashed to be quickly rationally radicalized. It takes a long time to deprogram, time we dont have.

Words like "Freedom", "Liberty", "Atlas held the world, now it's out turn", etc should be used as slogans. Make people angry and afraid. "Revolution or apocalypse".

Also recruiting pretty Japanese girls

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Very nice

Now let's see what Marx has to say about these slogans…

>The compromise with the Lassalleans has led to compromise with other half-way elements too; in Berlin (e.g., Most) with Diihring and his "admirers", but also with a whole gang of half-mature students and super-wise doctors who want to give socialism a "higher ideal" orientation, that is to say, to replace its materialistic basis (which demands serious objective study from anyone who tries to use it) by modern mythology with its goddesses of Justice, Freedom, Equality and Fraternity. Dr. Hochberg, who publishes the Zukunft [Future] is a representative of this tendency and has "bought himself in" to the party–with the "noblest" intentions, I assume, but I do not give a damn for "intentions." Anything more miserable than his programme of the " future " has seldom seen the light of day with more " modest" "presumption."

>>2639738
Didn’t quite understand that paragraph. Freedom is not a pretty word or an ideal, but a reality to develop ourselves.

>>2639775
Freedom for who to do what?

>>2639779
The PROLETARIAT to AUFHEBEN CLASS.

>>2639791
I don’t speak french or german

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>>2639738
>>2639775
>>2639779
muh freedom muh freedom

>>2639791
>>2639817
bro, don't open that can of worms. nobody really knows what aufheben means except hegel. countless Angloids have been skinned alive by Teutonic tribesmen for believing "aufheben" means "abolish." Don't open that can of worms. Just don't.

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>>2639738
>let's see what Marx has to say
no fair that's quotemining
quotemining is cheating
in this house do vibes based marxism that we make up as we go along

>>2639820
Under that logic nobody would speak in daily life. Unless it’s a public article or speech that will reach the masses, you are free to speak

>>2639738
>Justice, Freedom, Equality and Fraternity

so… the ideals that brought the french revolution? a revolution that changed the whole world and ended monarchy, ideals seem kind of based actually

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>>2640051
>without the intervention of the plebs on July 14, October 5-6, August 10, September 2, etc., the bourgeoisie would have succumbed to the ancien régime each time; that the Coalition leagued with the Court would have suffocated the revolution and that it was therefore these plebeians alone who carried out the revolution; but that this could not have been done without these plebeians attributing to the revolutionary demands of the bourgeoisie a meaning which they did not have, without their pushing equality and fraternity to such extremes that the bourgeois meaning of these slogans was turned completely upside down, because this meaning, driven to its extreme, changed into its opposite; that this plebeian equality and fraternity was necessarily a sheer dream at a time when it was a question of doing the exact opposite, and that as always – the irony of history – this plebeian conception of the revolutionary watchwords became the most powerful lever for carrying into reality this opposite: bourgeois equality – before the law, and fraternity – in exploitation.
<London, February 20, 1889

The right won because the right has a social basis. The left does not have a social basis, leftoids can't even breed because they all think that having kids are patriarchal! This is fine with the previous generation because they have the Party form, which mediated individuals in a social relations and provided a cadre of discipline party members who can be relied on to mediate dispute or to support you financially. Today there is no party, and there is no family, which means that the only form of socialization left for leftists are college reading groups or trans polycules. Neither of these provide any stability or group cohesion because they're basically glorified friendship circles, and they are very prone to dissolving from personal drama and infiltrated by grifters. Look at the DSA and its gazillion caucuses that are indistinguishable from each other

>>2639775
>Freedom is a reality [sic] to [sic] develop ourselves.
Anarchists are semi-literate morons.

>>2639724
>Appealing to emotions
>This is the last strategy the left has
love when losers who have clearly never left their room to approach proletarians in their life come here to talk about these retarded "strategies". yeah bro vacuous sloganeering was the one thing we needed for Da Revolushun to happen

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>>2640262
> leftoids can't even breed
rightoids will do mass shootings in america cuz they can't breed. But ignoring the "right/left" nonsense… the working class has to reproduce itself OR the petty bourgeoisie has to get expropriated by the haute bourgeoisie and fall into the working class in order for capitalism to continue, because capitalism depends upon the antagonism of the proletariat and bourgeoisie, which depends upon the reproduction of the proletariat, and a reserve army of labor. If the proletariat is so exploited that it cannot successfully raise on average 2 children per family, then capitalism as a system is unsustainable. But we know in fact that the proletariat in the imperial core countries is wealthy enough to raise 2 children comfortably. Yet they don't do it. It's in the 3rd world periphery where raw materials and agriculture still dominate that this happens. If the reproductive rights of the imperial core (abortion, birth control, contraception) were made available to women in countries where the fertility rate is still 6 children per woman, some of poorest countries on earth, then imperialism would collapse within a generation or two. Sadly we cannot wait on this experiment to play out because climate change imposes an additional layer of urgency. Water wars and mass food insecurity are coming sooner than that. There may be a billion deaths. Speaking of. After the black plague in Europe, in the 1300s, about half the Europeans were dead. That was such a mass death event the wages of artisans doubled. King Edward III of England tried to freeze wages to pre-plague levels. But that didn't work in practice because artisans, the proto-proletariat, would not work for wages that did not allow them to reproduce themselves as a class. This is a key historical lesson. "Not breeding" isn't some individual moral failing, but the failing of society to provide an adequate standard of living. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

>>2640296
I think he meant the ability to develop ourselves. idk.

>>2640262
>leftoids can't even breed
anti-natalism is revolutionary

>>2640311
Cut off your balls faggot so we dont have to deal with your type in the future.

>>2640311
This is just going to result in rightoid lumpens dominating the next generations while you die out

its weird to see rationalists (e.g. nihilists who think reality is made out of shapes) dismiss emotions, as if they weren't evolutionarily developed alongside our senses, to reflect reality. why are you angry? because injustice has been done to you. why are you sad? because you have suffered loss. only those who want to control you tell you to deny your feelings, like the rationalists who tell us to deny our senses.

>>2640311
>malthus is revolutionary


>>2640262
Of course gay ass Dugin is in favout of sex cults of infoctrination for "breeding ""leftists""" lmao

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>>2640463
>sex cults bad

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>>2639738
>0 revolutions
Not authoritative.
Compare to Mr. Peace Land Bread. Oh look, they did have a successful revolution!

OP is a retard who is only just beginning to learn about propaganda. Seriously, "the last strategy", get fucked cunt. But yes, we must learn how to effectively educate and agitate, and that includes understanding basic rhetoric like appealing to emotion. Being correct is not sufficient.

>>2640262
This is hilariously silly. 6/10

>>2640305
>But we know in fact that the proletariat in the imperial core countries is wealthy enough to raise 2 children comfortably. Yet they don't do it. It's in the 3rd world periphery where raw materials and agriculture still dominate that this happens.
>This is because lack of contraceptives
No, its not anon. Even with contraceptives ideally society would maintain above replacement rates, because societies that run itself to the ground is not healthy. I am not talking about the third world having more kids due to the organic composition of capital there requiring more labour, but the strange collapse of birthrates in the industrialized world despite consistent shortage of labour over there.
>some of poorest countries on earth, then imperialism would collapse within a generation or two
??? No it doesn't. All the successful anti colonial revolutions happened in countries with high birthrates because higher birthrates implied higher acceptance of mortality rates which is crucial in confrontation against imperialist powers. Do you think Yemenis would have attacked Israel if they have the birthrates of Japan??? If you are referring to exploitation of labour, i can understand, although even with this i am suspect: if collapsing birthrates = collapsing profit rate = weakening capitalism, then Japan or South Korea would've been communist by now, which is far from true, and i think this has to do with how OCC works in industrialized countries.
>After the black plague in Europe, in the 1300s, about half the Europeans were dead. That was such a mass death event the wages of artisans doubled. King Edward III of England tried to freeze wages to pre-plague levels. But that didn't work in practice because artisans, the proto-proletariat, would not work for wages that did not allow them to reproduce themselves as a class. This is a key historical lesson.
No its not! You are talking about a feudal society man. In feudal societies, demand for labour is constant. This is both because of low level of technological development but also because how farm labour works: when peak season comes you need all farm hands possible, and when there are less supply of peasants avaliable while demand for peasant labour stays constant, you know what happened? Higher wages.

This is NOT the case in capitalist societies. Under capitalism the economy is demand driven. Less people does not simply mean less labour, it also means less people consooming products. Do you know what this means? This means when the population decreased, instead of searching harder for labour the capitalists decided that there will be no more people buying his products, so he closed the factories, and thus aggregate demand for labour collapsed with it. So if the US population is to halve tomorrow, your wages won't rise up; it will in fact decline even further because the economy as a whole contracted and demand for labour receded.

>>2640463
I am not Maup, so no i am not embracing sex cults. I am embracing pro family, or at least pro-lasting-social-bonds-that-will-lead-to-social-reproduction kind of way.
For God's sake man. There is a reason why you guys keep getting mogged in every single cause you are in. In pro Palestine demonstrations Islamic groups are much more visible than you. In anti police brutality marches Black Churches are the ones at the forefront and not leftist academics or students. Hell Zohran Mamdani, the succdem cause celebre in the US, prioritized appeasing chabad rabbis over you!
And this is because all these groups: Muslims, Black Protestants, and Jews, they have this thing called group cohesion. And that group cohesion is often underwritten by marriage and communal relationships, which also enabled them to have higher fertility rates. This means that in any given protests, you leftists and your trans maoist reading group will both be outnumbered and outorganized by these guys! It will always happen, unless and until the left and porgressives in general start embracing a pro family and communitarian outlook


>>2640514
Hell, let's not talk about religious groups. Even fucking libtards have kids! Every single radfem NYT contributor i've seen has at minimum three kids.That is more than any rightoid journalist i've seen. When you add the fact that American libs have their own de facto communal organizations through institutional fellowships, cultural groups and professional associations , no wonder 9 out 10 leftoid college student in Amerikkka eventually became libtarded because libtards have a community, leftoids dont

>>2640262
>they are very prone to dissolving from personal drama
Families dissolve due to personal drama all the time.

>>2640511
you misunderstood what I was saying and ran with it. idk where to begin.

>>2640402
How? If leftists don't have children and indoctrinate their children to be leftists(don't fall for the liberal "freedom" bullshit, your children are what you make them) right wingers will still do so, causing the next generations to be increasingly "right wing by default".

>>2640514
TRUTH NUKE

>>2640862
*le falling rate of profit faec*

>>2640862
wrong. people are their class interests, not their parents. people only tend to follow their parents thinking because they remain in the same class. lower birth rates in the proletariat lower porky's rate of profit by depriving him of the commodity labor power, which is the unique commodity exploitable for surplus value.

>>2640305
I learned a lot thank you


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