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"Superbigote es inocente" Edición

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#09 https://archive.ph/iarMN Senior Numba Nine 03-01-26 13:34:18
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Previous Thread >>2634712
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>>2642471
you can be 100% sure than believing the swiss government is not an argument either.

>>2642472
My argument doesn't boil down to that, sorry, try again.

>>2642476
It does and the fact you can never expand it tells me so.

>>2642474
I agree that we should not believe in the government, that's why I want to the see court hearing that supposedly proves Ferrate corrupted minors.

>>2642477
See >>2642378

>>2642458
he has been at it for days, I kinda admire his commitment to dickriding NATO at all costs


>>2642482
Fake news

>>2642476
it does. 'muh arrested, guardia civil española, Spanish civil guard, "journalist" for exposing crimes'.
>>2642480
you prefer to believe to a guy that is self presented as a nato cop. you might as-well present me nazi accounts on the 'crimes' committed by the USSR, the holodohoax, etc. as an undeniable evidence of crimes done by socialist governments. where does that end, huh? WHERE?

>>2642485
I have replied to all your arguments so far however, Here, let's try again.

If you have evidence that assets frozen in January this year, and the gold sent by Venezuela in the 10's are the same, post it

If you have evidence that the Cuban government had tangible proof that Ferrate abused minors, post it.

I'll wait.

>>2642488
You are not making any sense, go for a walk.

>>2642482
He could be obsessed o algo

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>>2642482
right back ya.
don't forget to touch grass while you are it.

Anon I think you quoted the wrong post, this is like the second time in 30 minutes you have fucked it up.

Calm down.

>>2642502
oh, don't mind me, I am working out while I answer. I continously make mistakes writing, posting or replying because I multi-task, either designing, working out or cleaning.
trust me, I don't let people to live in my head. you aren't the first anon who is retarded that has come along in leftypol/bunkerchan since 2017, the era I came from.

but hey, you do you believing in such a thing.


>>2642379
he never posted evidence, a proper timestamp.

>>2642502
which anon quoted a wrong post? you didn't quote anything at all.

I wanted to share this specific article from one economist that is on the moderate wing of the opposition parties. related to Henri Falcon, who was US sanctioned because he 'legitimized' the electoral process of 2018.
the radical fascist opposition, that wants Venezuela leveled from the ground, always accused the government of corruption, usually without presenting evidence, and making the assessment that corruption destroyed Venezuela's economy.
before Maduro was kidnaped, Venezuela had had 18 quarters of economic growth, with data certified by the CEPAL (UN agency for Latin America).
but before that, the contraction was strong.
so, beyond showing comparative data of sanctions, with plausible weak correlation/causation, Francisco Rodriguez, the economist I was talking about, ran an article comparing Latin American countries' corruption with Venezuela's corruption, set up some markers to do so, and established that all the countries are relatively close in corruption.
he then sets up different markers of predictivity that tests corruption v sanctions. he proceeds to test the scenarios. in both scenarios, only sanctions explain the behavior of the economy in the tested scenarios.
though it might be obvious, it's worth noting, because fascists across the continent like to spread the notion that it was corruption.
https://franciscorodriguez.net/2020/01/11/sanctions-and-the-venezuelan-economy-what-the-data-say
https://sanctionsandsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/January-2022-Venezuela-Case_Rodriguez.pdf
>We have attempted to address the methodological concerns raised by other authors in this debate. In particular, we have shown that the identification of a negative effect associated with sanctions in the post-2017 data is not dependent on the use of Colombia as a control, as claimed by HMB, but is instead robust to the choice of counterfactual. We applied synthetic control methods to produce an adequate control group, estimating a large negative post-treatment effect. We also used cross-national data to estimate the effect of oil sanctions such as those imposed on Venezuela earlier this year. And we have shown that the alternative militarization hypothesis has problems accounting for variations in the time-series data: even using the most generous specification to this hypothesis, we find that it can explain at most one-seventh of the decline in output that the 2017 sanctions account for. In contrast to the militarization, corruption or investment hypotheses, which must be modified in ad hoc ways to fit the data, the sanctions hypothesis yields additional predictions – that production should have stabilized or grown in Chinese and Russian joint ventures, or that it would not have been affected in sanctionsexempt subsidiaries – which are confirmed by the evidence.
one simple argument to counter this, if you don't want to engage with fascists but still reply them, is: if socialism brought so much corruption, and was about to fail by its own merits, why does it need to be sanctioned? let it fail on its own.
now, they tried to move the discourse that sanctions never existed.
bessent saying they will remove sanctions on Venezuela is now a nice way to slap them in the face. they lose all arguments.

>>2642518
what is this in response to good sir

>>2642562
The five posts above it

>>2642566
Ah, thank you. The video, though, off topic, pleased me, as I had long wondered where that sound effect came from.

Trump to meet with Venezuela’s Machado on Thursday
The Venezuelan opposition leader has said she plans to share her Nobel Prize with Trump

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/12/trump-meet-venezuela-machado-thursday-00722316

>>2642569
Imagine being this openly servile and cucked. Being a Latam rightoid is just one long humiliation ritual.

>>2642572
They sell out the collective for personal gain. Comprador bourgeoisie sycophants all hope to get a no-show job or a book deal or a TED talk or stock options or some shit like that. It's just standard psychopathic social climber crab bucket mentality. They see no incentive to be economic nationalists, let alone communist, because that path requires fighting people stronger than them and potentially dying, rather than sucking up to them, and getting bones tossed which is a lot easier.

>>2642572
>Being a Latam rightoid is just one long humiliation ritual.
No it's not. You have to understand these "people" have the mentality of a pimp, only they use the state to beat their counteymen into submission so they can prostitute them for resources and labor.

They arent human and it is very frustrating as a latin american that leftists do not see this here. People around here laugh at right wingers as if they have a colonial self hatred when it's right wingers that get the last laugh because they have an entirely different mindset and means of gaining wealth. (bloodshedding and extraction).

>>2642549
Of course the sanctions are ridiculous, there's no need to punish a country's people seemingly principally because it hasn't delivered sufficient economic development, or more likely because it's a left-wing government, and any other reason would just be hypocrisy given other US trading partners.

Corruption is not low, according to the Global Correuption Barometer [^1], which gives a better picture than the "expert opinion" based CPI, but there is still for example the developed country of Taiwan and the rapidly developing country of Vietnam with worse scores, and countries which don't get as much attention for their corruption like Bolivia (overall a pretty good admin). There are also a number of countries in the region and in all probability higher levels of development that have roughly equivalent corruption such as: Mexico, Columbia, and Paraguay.

According to the Pandora Papers they've got less off shores the international average which would imply that the funds are being kept by individuals. I think part of this might be that corruption is relatively isolated at the commanding heights, with the bureaucracy operating more or less on par for the region and level of development. I've read today of a couple cases of charges in Europe of corrupt actors valuated at over a billion dollars. I still wonder if the hundreds of billions of dollar figure might just be pulled out of someones ass.

:[^1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Corruption_Barometer

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THE JOURNALIST the 'he-left-com' was defending:
>"Operación Tacos": A 2005-2006 operation led by Spanish judge Fernando Andreu, targeting a network that laundered money from cocaine sales in Spain for the Sinaloa cartel.
Involving, Pique Vidal, sentenced in 2015 to 9 years:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180127143244/http://www.eltriangle.eu/es/notices/2015/03/pique-vidal-y-la-coca-3496.php
https://www.eltriangle.eu/es/2015/03/20/noticia-es-40528/
>Multiple sources identify Ferraté as a key collaborator and "testaferro" (front man) for lawyer Joan Piqué Vidal. His role was to help control the network of shell companies used to launder the drug money:
<To do this, a group of companies established in Barcelona were used, controlled by frontmen and collaborators of the lawyer, among whom Felipe Gutiérrez Moreno and Sebastián Martínez Ferraté, former captain of the Guardia Civil, stood out.
arrested in 2006, on 1 year sentence for co-conspiring with drug trafficking.

he was not only a Spanish civil guard.

he was a CAPTAIN of the Spanish civil guard.

this is the people that leftcom brings in to talk about pedophilia in Cuba, this is the propaganda he brings in ITT.

would you look at that. he gives this person face of value.

>>2642587
>They arent human
i can't stand when you retards do this lol. they are human. they bleed. stripping them of their human card doesn't matter because humans are dumb animals, not god's special little spooks.

>>2642587
Of course I understand that they do it for personal gain, but in the case of Latin Americans they always seem the most open and blatant about their servility and self-loathing. At least in the case of Eastern Europeans or East Asians they can semi-convincingly argue that alignment with the West is protecting their country from le evil Chinese or Russian oppression. Meanwhile Latin America has only ever had one colonial overlord and oppressor in the last 200 years, and these cretins compete to see who can be the most vocal in kowtowing to the Yankee imperialists.

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>>2642595 (me)
more
if you check in x, you can see a bot campaign positively, and widely defending Martinez Ferrate multiple times, 2012, 2011, 2010, etc. as if he were tortured, and defending his acts.
same bots attacking communism in general. first picrel, the bot campaign. second picrel, one of the accounts there, talking about communism.
oh well, last time I talk about this right-wing (captain of the Spanish civil guard, with its francois past, and present) 'journalist' (thin naming).
one question, polling: will leftcom guy
a) take two down, conceding and apologizing
b) double down, be snarky and dismiss the evidence presented, with court documents (that he argued that it was necessary for the Cuban government when locking him the civil guard captain) and keep on check his anti-imperialist attitude with another moved goalpost
c) shut up forever and never reply back
take your bets and guesses.

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>>2642612
>At least in the case of Eastern Europeans or East Asians they can semi-convincingly argue that alignment with the West is protecting their country from le evil Chinese or Russian oppression
LOL

>>2642611
I said that as an off remark because one day we will get our chance to kill them and rape their wives un front if them. Obviously they bleed. That's what we want.

>>2642612
oppression always seems to produce the house slave/field slave response. the field slaves say you have to resist and the house slaves say no that can't work and will just make everything worse, you have to try to please master even harder so he will like you and share his good fortune. there is a logic to both responses, and that is why the eternal gusano exists wherever imperialism does.

>>2642612
Nah go fuck yourself. You cant paint over 700 million people as servile while ignoring the the class dynamics, how the upper class act as foreign parasites, or that the region has had countless back and forth struggles ending in dictatorships killing people for foreign capital.

>>2642623
>I want to reverse the vector of oppression, not end it altogether, I MVST RAPE
<moments after calling others not human
who could have seen this one coming
inb4 no excuses for the terror blah blah blah, yeah there's understanding that you need to break a few eggs to make an omelet and then there's the LARP of licking your lips and fantasizing about future rapes

>>2642624
house slave field slave is just nietzsche's master/slave morality, but applied to slaves themselves. some slaves develop "master" morality and want to overthrow the slave owners, while other slaves keep "slave morality" and cower in fear and try to please their oppressors. Similarly, most masters have "master" morality but others develop a sort of "slave" morality where they try to soften their own image as oppressors by being nicer than the average oppressor.

>>2642595
>>2642617
Ok but how does any of that proves that
1.- he actually corrupted minors
2.- his documentary is false

I don't give two shits about him, I care what he reported on his documentary and I want evidence that his documentary is fake. Literally zero difference between you and poltards trying to find out if someone has jewish ancestry.

>>2642667
so true bestie. down with the cuban govt. i'm sure less molestation will happen with a US puppet in power.

The US and latin American revisionism need to go, but the US needs to go first or else the revisionists and socdems will just reset, regroup, and start the pink tide nonsense again. Pink Tide is latam’s Kuomintang and the US are Japan.

>>2642667
>I don't give two shits about him
you give a shit to what he says. do you understand that's giving shit about him?
hey, another goalpost moved.

>>2642671
Not an argument.
>>2642680
No anon, you are just stupid.

Ferrate isn't the only person that has been detained by the Cuban government for releasing a journalist report that the government finds problematic. That's the point here.

imagine believing a narco has some validity on what he has to say to any socialist proletarian state, captain of the known francois civil guard.
as I said above, in the future, he will present evidence of nazis about how bad was the USSR, how bad was any other Eastern Europe country.
reactionary levels beyond stupid.

>>2642688
Ok but how does any of that proves that
1.- he actually corrupted minors
2.- his documentary is false


>Ferrate isn't the only person that has been detained by the Cuban government

goalpost moved: 1 step further.


3rd update of
the goalposts moved from:
>Maduro is corrupt, here! the undeniable evidence came from the switzerland!
jumped to
>it's ok, all executive branches have tools to froze banking accounts they dim of illegal origin, even if they don't need to present evidence, move the cases to courts, for a decade or more!
to
>they don't need ever to present evidence if it was of illegal origin or not, Sovereign or individual accounts even after they release it! it's ok, guys! the swiss have all the interests to make sure their banking laws are abided!
to
>the fucking Maduro and Venezuelans fucking deserved for existing in the imperialist world (derived from the bretton woods accords, where the US is basically the sole owner of the financial world). fucking Maburro (wordplay calling him dumb), dumb bitch, fucking I hope he dies.
to
>PHHHEW the corruption is proven because Venezuela did business with the west!

On Cuba
Goalposts moved from
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DEFEND A PEDO COUNTRY, no anti-imperialism movement for Cubans! Here's my undeniable evidence. they jailed a journalist exposing pedo crimes.
to
>NOOOOOO the Spanish g-guardia c-civil journalist wasn't pedophilic, it was fabricated charges that the pedo nation named Cuba brought against him.
to
>NNOOOOOO CORRUPTING MINORS UNDER THE CUBAN LAW IS VERY DISCTINCT TO PEDOPHILIAAAAA!!!
to
>NOOOOO I don't care abput the source! I don't care he's a captain of the known fascist institution named Spanish civil guard! I just care about what he has to saaaay
<NOOOOOO FERRATE ISN'T THE ONLY ONEEEEE, other thousands of anticommunist true journalists are always reporting that Cuba is hell on eaaaaarth.

how many steps will it take until he gets again to: fucking Cubans, fucking hate them for existing in capitalism, how dare to grow an island next to the US, get sanctioned and get socialism, fucking bitches, I hate they die.

100% normal person.

>>2642695 (me)
I had to add I don't care he's a captain of the known fascist institution named Spanish civil guard
AND a drug trafficker front man.

>>2642695
>>2642699
words words words

>>2642622
At the very least an Eastern European can claim that their countries were satellites of the USSR and under its geopolitical domination, so membership in the Western sphere is "liberation". Debunking the myth of "Soviet imperialism" requires an understanding of what imperialism is and how economic relations within the Warsaw Pact differed from it. This is information that the average person isn't aware of. Meanwhile Latin America has always been very clearly and obviously subjugated and exploited by the US and the US alone, so there can by absolutely no argument for continued subordination to America without the most despicable kind of servility and self hatred.

You faggots are really still here bickering?

>>2642827
duh. leftypol is the barbershop from Coming To America, except we argue about Communism instead of boxing.


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