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Reading Lenin's works in order is one of the most depressing things. By 1922 he basically admitted that the Soviet Union's state apparatus is a "bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch" and he previously described it as a state taken away (not smashed) from tsarism and "slightly anointed with Soviet oil."

<It is said that a united apparatus was needed. Where did that assurance come from? Did it not come from that same Russian apparatus which, as I pointed out in one of the preceding sections of my diary, we took over from tsarism and slightly anointed with Soviet oil?

<There is no doubt that that measure should have been delayed somewhat until we could say that we vouched for our apparatus as our own. But now, we must, in all conscience, admit the contrary; the apparatus we call ours is, in fact, still quite alien to us; it is a bourgeois and tsarist hotch-potch and there has been no possibility of getting rid of it in the course of the past five years without the help of other countries and because we have been "busy" most of the time with military engagements and the fight against famine.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/dec/testamnt/autonomy.htm

>>2642499
Interesting how honest he can be about this.

German freaks doomed the international revolution

if only the people constantly bringing up lenin's name for cheap out of context gotchas were half as critical and objective as he was

>Did it not come from that same Russian apparatus which, as I pointed out in one of the preceding sections of my diary, we took over from tsarism and slightly anointed with Soviet oil?

marx was cooking when he said that the working class cannot simply lay hold of the readymade state machinery and wield it for its own purposes

>>2672267
Communists should just accept that you cannot destroy whatever the existing structure is and simply use it, evolving it to communist objectives. Commies and Ancaps share this retarded idea you can just "smash" the government and build whatever you want after. Absolutely undialectical and never happened ever. Even when defeating nazi germany, the USSR used ex-SS guys to man the predecessor to the stasi.

Stalinite falsification was inevitable. You can only maintain Lenin's open, critical attitude for so long within a society as contradictory as the USSR was.

>>2672258
Stalin should have gotten revenge on the Germans for letting the Russians down in 1918 by depopulating the Soviet Zone.

Revolutionary socialism died in the 1920s. Since then it has been all aesthetics.

>>2672525
>real liberalism has never been tried
Nah

childish nonsense fabricated by bourgeois digitizers

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>"If we take Moscow with its 4,700 Communists in responsible positions, and if we take that huge bureaucratic machine, that gigantic heap, we must ask: who is directing whom? I doubt very much whether it can truthfully be said that the Communists are directing that heap. To tell the truth they are not directing, they are being directed."
<V. I. Lenin, Eleventh Congress Of The R.C.P.(B.), March 27, 1922

Bros…

>>2642499
>>2672758
👑

lenin always keeping it real

Can't believe Lenin was an ultra screeching about muh "commodity production" and" international revolution"

>>2672782
stalin spoke of similar things

>>2672789
why did he constantly pander to the peasantry then

>>2672791
He didn’t

Hahhahahhaahahahaa

Best Westoid leftcom/ultra/Trot attempt in awhile.
Surely, Lenil would have been in favor of abandoning the project of the ussr just because it wasn't purrrfect.

Hahhahahahaha, you absollute quote-mining faggots

Little known fact about LENIN: before his death he went into a shopping mall using a diabetus machine, after paying went outside, shot himself up on fentanyl, did the fent-pose for hours, shat himself, went to a McDonalds and ordered a McMenu, ate it, went to the McDonald's bathroom and fucking killed himself.

>>2672255
and how (understandably but nevertheless) dishonest others can be in knee-jerk defense of the USSR against bourgeois slander

>>2672258
all the based Germans were kicked out after 1848

Best thread

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Socialism is when communists steer capitalism towards its own self abolition, it's nothing new
Even marx spoke of this

>>2673484
>It must be recalled today that this passage is based on a misunderstanding. At that time – thanks to the Bonapartist and liberal falsifiers of history – it was considered as established that the French centralised machine of administration had been introduced by the Great Revolution and in particular that it had been used by the Convention as an indispensable and decisive weapon for defeating the royalist and federalist reaction and the external enemy. It is now, however, a well-known fact that throughout the revolution up to the eighteenth Brumaire c the whole administration of the départements, arrondissements and communes consisted of authorities elected by, the respective constituents themselves, and that these authorities acted with complete freedom within the general state laws; that precisely this provincial and local self-government, similar to the American, became the most powerful lever of the revolution and indeed to such an extent that Napoleon, immediately after his coup d’état of the eighteenth Brumaire, hastened to replace it by the still existing administration by prefects, which, therefore, was a pure instrument of reaction from the beginning. But no more than local and provincial self-government is in contradiction to political, national centralisation, is it necessarily bound up with that narrow-minded cantonal or communal self-seeking which strikes us as so repulsive in Switzerland, and which all the South German federal republicans wanted to make the rule in Germany in 1849.
<– Note by Engels to the 1885 edition.

>"Well, we have lived through a year, the state is in our hands, but has it operated the New Economic Policy in the way we wanted in the past year? No. But we refuse to admit that it did not operate in the way we wanted. How did it operate? The machine refused to obey the hand that guided it. It was like a car that was going not in the direction the driver desired but in the direction someone else desired; as if it were being driven by some mysterious, lawless hand, God knows whose, perhaps of a profiteer, or of a private capitalist, or of both. Be that as it may, the car is not going quite in the direction the man at the wheel imagines, and often it goes in an altogether different direction."
<V. I. Lenin, Eleventh Congress of the Russian Communist Party

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>>2673508
Skill issue

>>2673513
Unlike Deng, Lenin wasn't a liberal. So the triumph of liberalism wasn't what he was going for :\


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