2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD WITH ESTIMATES REACHING QUADRUPLE THAT NUMBERShow Trials - addation
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https://archive.ph/dDpTNhttps://archive.ph/5s7EkQuick run-down: Unlike previous mass protests in Iran the current ones were caused primarily by crushing economic conditions rather than civil rights, and so they carry undeniable proletarian character and potential. The true scale of the protests is hard to confirm due to conflicting imperialist propaganda, however the staggering death toll in such a short period dwarfs the previous protests.
Statement of the Workers’ Councils of Arak: All power to the councils!
>“To the workers of Markazi Province, to our comrades in Khuzestan, and to all the people of Iran.”
>For decades, our demands for bread have been answered with bullets, and our demands for dignity with prison. But today, the silence has come to an end. We, the workers of Arak’s factories, declare the following:
>Workplace control: From now on, the management of the Machine Manufacturing Company, AzarAb, and Wagon Pars factories will be in the hands of workers’ councils elected by the workers themselves. We no longer recognize managers appointed by the state or the regime’s puppet unions.https://cpiran.org/statement-of-the-workers-councils-of-arak-all-power-to-the-councils/Joint statement of Worker-Communist Parties of Iraq and Kurdistan:
>The protests come amidst profound political transformations in the region and a clear decline in Iranian influence, which had expanded in recent years through militias and their allies, relying on funds looted from the working class and the welfare of the lranian masses. In the same vein, American imperialism, known for its bullying and unwavering support for fascist regimes, foremost among them the state of lsrael, is attempting to market itself as a defender of human rights and a supporter of the demands of the lranian masses, by brandishing the threat of blatant intervention, as recently occurred in Venezuela the two Communist Workers' Parties in Iraq and Kurdistan, while declaring their full solidarity and support for the just demands of the lranian working class and the masses yearning for freedom and dignity simultaneously warn against relying on American policies or allowing its intervention which plays a role in providing the lranian regime with pretexts to escalate its repression of the protesters.
>Any real change, any tangible improvement, and any victory for the protests in lran depends on maintaining their independence, separating their ranks from American imperialist policies, and preserving their class and popular unity.>Long live the working class of Iran>Long live the just demands of the Iranian people for freedom and equalityhttps://wp-iraq.com/الى-الامام-273Unconditional support to Iranian workers as they face the full savagery of capital on the local and international fronts.
NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR Are the protests still happening or have they already been squashed? I can't tell.
>>2644998Iranian proletariat is doomed for sure.
>>2644998Pretty much fizzling out. There is an increasing call for US strikes due to this
For scale, this is Iran's Tiananmen Square
>>2645007All 12 of them. Impressive.
>>2645013I'm sure they exceed the number of radlibs who can only offer the theocracy their metaphysical support lol
feminism is an imperialist project
40 years too late
🇮🇱⚡️- Israeli Presidential aircraft, the Wing of Zion, has departed from Israel to an unknown destination.
Should we get an Israel-Iran war 2 gen going?
>>2645056
(Pro-gov TG channel) Middle East Spectator was posting a few days ago about Iranian snipers taking up position to defend government buildings (search for "sniper teams" in the channel)
>>2645052could be nothing. But I was searching and found many articles stating that diplomatic staff/non essential personelled were being pulled out of West Asia one or two days before 13 jun when Israel launched its operation Rising Lion.
We have the French embassy evacuating, as well as reports of personnel leaving Al-Udeid, and earlier stories about Russian planes removing embassy staff. the first strike could be coming as early as tonight.
>>2645060India, too, just issued advisory warnings
>Iran may seem and act like another neoliberal shithole but it's not cuz le morality police
Nice argument, unfortunately hijab laws were laxed and de facto removed from major urban areas following the 2022 protests when they began to threaten the longevity of the bourgeois state.
Similar thing happened in Saudi Arabia when social norms had to transform to accommodate the economic reality.
These two cases come down to one fundamental reason: the international character of capital and it's inevitable domination of the superstructure (what libs call globalisation) this is a progressive development that brings the workers of the world even closer. Even Afghanistan, what appears like centuries old reaction, is coming to terms with it thanks to its liberal capitalist base.
Workers of the world unite.
Arak Soviet status?
>Protests totally fizzled one week ago
<People keep dying, internet still down, embassies evacuating
Really makes you think
>>2645068No updates then huh? I'm sure they're totally real tho anon, you go and keep your hopes up alright 👍
>>2645069Everything is under control chud
>>2645071Huh? Your mom said muscular Iranian workers spit roasted her
>>2645068My mom laughed at me for still believing Soviets exist in the year 2026.
Materialist explanation for this?
The IRGC has been placed on its highest level of alertness," - Fars News, IRGC-affiliate outlet
Something's coming
>>2645079no red/black/brown/purple flags of fury/revenge/wrath raised?!
>>2645079There are reports of Mossad informing the IRGC through backchannels of an imminent token strike that will kill 10000 workers without touching cuckmenei
>>2645083The orange flag of maximum alertness has been raised
>>2645078How could workers councils exists when workers are a mythical race? Checkmate Iranian workers suffering from Internet blackout
An Iranian soviet flew over my house!
>>2645091>existence of workers means workers coucnils have to existWhere are the american worker councils?
>be leader of multipolarista axis of resistance
>Palestinians stage a breakout
<Do basically nothing
>Zionists invade Lebanon
<Do basically nothing
>Former Al Qaeda member topples the Syrian govenrment
<Do basically nothing
>at last find yourself at war with the Zionist entity and the Great Satan
>Hit nothing substantial, let the conflict fizzle after 12 days after having vowed for decades any war with Israel would result in the latter's annihilation
>6 months later widespread protests
>claim sanctions are illegal and destroying the country
<retaliate by… killing thousands of your own people
Remind me please why again should I "critically supp000r!1!!!" this?
>>2645065any pipeline proposals in Arak?
>>2645102then why the fuck is every western fuckwit here bending over backwards defending iran?
Critical support for Islamic liberalism against worker uprising.
>>2645102Poland is at war with Iran?
>>2645102My country is an ally of Iran. Why do red liberals attack me for practicing revolutionary defeatism?
>>2645104is defending with posts online the same as supporting? does other people defending something on the internet mean you have spread unconfirmed atrocity propaganda about it?
>>2645106Poland is a vassal of the US.
>>2645102>organize locallyThey don't want to do that. They'd rather conveniently suppooooort Israel and the US in all their attempts to regime change on small lefty-adjacent forums.
>>2645108Revolutionary defeatism applies to inter-imperialist conflicts. This is one sided imperialist aggression.
>>2645112>I'm a liberal and I say all but class warFigured
>>2645104There has been threads on leftypol concerning every instance of US imperialism toppling states to replace them with compradors, in every such thread the default is to oppose the common denominator. Simple as.
>>2645106Always has been.
>>2645109> is defending with posts online the same as supportingliterally yes, why the fuck do you gremlins even have the desire to defend this? like what exactly do you gain from this?
>unconfirmed atrocity propagandathe iranian state literally machine guns protesters on a near bi-annual rate cut the shit
>>2645116>literally yesOh wow I thought it meant something that materially changes the situation, like sending soldiers or arms. I forgot that the world runs on thoughts and prayers. Praise Marx!
>>2645116>I'm helping the noble proletarian Shah with my posts!lmao, this cunt takes his job seriously.
>>2645116Are you Iranian or just consumed with imperialist intrigue?
>>2645113"No war but class war" is a slogan applied to WW1 which was an inter-imperialist conflict. Universalizing it outside of its concrete material conditions to different ones in which it does not apply is opportunist sloganeering and very unprincipled behavior for a supposed communist.
>>2645114so out of some hypothetical possibility you are compelled to defend a state machine gunning people in the street?
>>2645120i came here specifically to see how people here are coping with it
you people are more servile than catamites, even in the face of the most explicit oppression the common opinion here is to obey. again overly online leftists are amazed to see that people are sick of living in a fucking shithole on scraps
>>2645121lenin would have fucking hung you
>>2645116It's to counter signal against the western baseline, which is in support of the destruction/overthrow of US enemies. It's pretty simple anon, kinda strange that this confuses you so much
>>2645125>Marxism is when muh slogans are dogma!!!Retard
>>26450971 twitter statement and 1 graffiti on a wall
Reminds me of the India-Pakistan conflict last year. Leftypollers were glazing the comunist party of pakistan for condemning le inter imperialist war and shitting on the communist party of india for not doing the same. COmpletely disregarding the fact that the Pakistani CP is not even registered as a party in pakistan and has only a few hudnred members and that the Indian CP literally runs some indian states for the last 25 years and has milions of supporters.
>>2645123>hypothetical possibilityDo you mean the end of US imperialism? Rather defeatist if that is what you're referring to as a hypothetical.
>you are compelled to defend a state machine gunning people in the street?I don't think anyone has defended that, it just doesn't change the common denominator of US imperialism in civil unrest in non-US aligned nations throughout the globe.
>>2645128>It's to counter signal against the western baselineyou people unironically treat this like a fandom, the labour movement is not what you're concerned with or even support, you have substituted it with anything that is vaguely anti-west
>>2645134so for you, the solutions is for iranians to shut the fuck u and eat shit less it weaken irans geopolitical strength
you should be ripped apart by dogs
>>2645116>what do you gain THe gain is preventing a country of 100milion people falling into the American-Zionist sphere
>>2645098Don't forget
>Fire missiles at Israel>Turns out it's all coordinated with Israel, the UK and US so they can shoot them down.Iran is kafabe in motion, I don't know how people can pretend they are a serious "resistance". Hezbollah carried the water for their "resistance" entirely.
>>2645136so what would you like, for anyone struggling in iran to keep their mouth shut?
>>2645123lmao you're a deeply unserious person. #1 Big Boy Iranian Worker Defender. More workers into the Zion Mill, please waiter. I'm ready for the Pahlavi-LeftCom thought communes
>>2645135Where is the labor movement?
>>2645140Where is the vanguard party? These people are not communists they are anarchists. They just want to smash a state fuck the consequences and millions dead.
>>2645129Ah yes the Mullahs anti-imperialist struggle against the lumpen sionistas (Iranian workers, students, pet bourg, women)
>>2645132I thought the class war was rather central to all this yes? If there is no primacy of the class war and worker pursuit of our own interests, what ends do we serve? The nation? God?
>>2645125Gold
Never stop triggering radlibs
>>2645140the labour movement is the constant conflict between worker and capital, iran has the strongest labour movement in the world with workers councils in the oil and steel industries for years, i used to post their statements here but they got zero interaction because you losers prefer to just post memes and discuss conspiracy theories
>>2645133TLDR the CPI (active in Arak before you were born) published the manifesto
>>2645144why do you cite women as separate from workers, students and pet bourg?
So bourgeois women are fine?
Also have you done a census of how many proles are in the anti-govt protests and how many proles are in the pro-govt protests?
How do you know the proles are firmly on the side of the anti-govt movement?
The anti-govt protests were started by shoipkeepers. Hardly proletarian.
>>2645149active in arak with a few thousand supporters in a coutnry of 100 millino
>>2645138I would like them to form a communist resistance instead of a Zionist one.
Chairman Mao urged us to resolutely oppose Pahlavism-Bordigism with Lumpen-Makhno Characteristics
>>2645145>hamas leadership wiped out>iran does nothing>gaza completely destroyed, population will likely be expelled >iran does nothing>lebanon invaded and hezbollah leadership wiped>iran does nothing>assad overthrown>iran does nothing>only starts fighting after their nuclear policy is threatened after which they retreat after a couple days after spending decades talking about wiping israel off the map>their currency becomes fucking worthless and they have a wave of protests so bad they've cut communications for dayseven as an "opposition to zionism and the US" they're fucking awful
cuck isn't even the right term for people who support this, like i'm genuinely asking, how do people here not just blow their heads off?
>>2645156>>gaza completely destroyed, population will likely be expelled >>iran does nothingWrong. Iranian and Qatari investors about to make bank in those free trade zones.
>>2645147what do you understand by temporarily?
>>2645135Again, I don’t think US imperialism is considered geopolitical when you’re their target, I’m highly sceptical that Iranians or indeed any worker of an imperialised nation would consider opposing the Sanctions/Bombs/Mass Hysteria thrown at them by imperialists to be bourgeois geopolitics.
Perhaps some wish to surrender to US Imperialism and I won’t chastise them for that, but getting shot trying to surrender to US imperialism is the tragedy that I will chastise the US for and all of its true-lefties pretending to be Jungle folk, complete with poor spelling and violent language, to muddy the waters of that tragedy.
Has Iran collapsed yet
>>2645156IRI can be doing literally nothing and it would still be preferable to a government that
actively serves US-Israeli interests.
>>2645153you would call that zionist as well, you are a conspiracy theorist in the sense that when you see someone benefiting from a situation happening, you genuinely believe that they are the reason it happened
>>2645161i refuse to believe there are actual gonzaloites
>>2645165>you would you do not live in my head
the Arak Soviet does not exist
there is no communist force in Iran strong enough to seize power
grow up
The last few months have proven the farce that is the whole Russia-China-Iran geopolitical axis. It does not exist and they will abandon each other to make deals with the west the moment discomfort hits them
>>2645161Iranians are renowned in the region for being the most organized throughout all the hardships, I would because I fucking worked with them, yet you're comparing them to trolls.
You're genuinely pathetic and can't help but project your helplessness
>>2645168which is why you defend this, because you fundamentally do not think the labour movement can succeed so you use the state as a substitute, again you are just tamed cattle
>>2645172>fundamentally you are an idealist moron
If a strong enough labour movement exists, I will gladly recognise and support it. But it does not. I know how to separate my desire from actual material reality.
grow up, stop living in imaginary worlds
>>2645147But there is no war of aggression. Not for the time being. That might change tonight, but there are no American or Israeli bombers over Tehran right now. There are no ground troops invading Khuzestan. There is no navy blockading Iranian ports.
There continues to be trade with Russia, China, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq and India. I.e. a group of countries that represent the world's largest economies and a population much higher than the west.
So let me get this straight; Iran's economy is supposedly going down the shitter because they're not allowed to trade with the west, and sanctions other countries outside the west have already stated they'll be ignoring. Iranian porkies blame the west and in particular Israel and the US for this, and they retaliate by… killing protesting Iranians. (including workers)
And we should be cheering this on? Why?
>>2645171i haven't seen any more proof that this iranian soviet exists than these gonzaloist parties
>>2645159until the imperialist threat is overcome or until their interests are no longer aligned. if the threat is overcome then the national bourgeoisie interests naturally come into conflict with proletarian class interests. or if the national bourgeoisie flips comprador, then they are aligned with the imperialist.
this image is often used when it was implied that the alliance was a permanent replacement for class struggle
The Shah was more progressive than the Mullahs for liquidating the Bazari petty bourgeoisie.
Mullahs became more progressive than the Shah when they turned the country into a free market neoliberal shithole
>>2645172>fundamentallynot true. its current state is not fundamental to its being. it can change and so can you
>>2645135Anti westernism and the labor movement are not two entirely distinct things, they are deeply interwoven. Everywhere you look on this planet, with few exceptions you will find that the front line of the militant labour movement is in conflict with the western hegemony
>>2645169This axis only existed in the heads of American leftists who swallowed the propaganda of right-wing american media about an 'axis of evil'.
They took it at face value and labelled it 'axis of resistance' instead.
Same thing with BRICS.
BRICS exists only as a conference for handshakes and photo ops between Xi, Putin and Modi. It is not an actual bloc, the way NATO-EU is.
>>2645178Iran literally has the strongest labour movement in the world with workers councils in the oil and steel industry for years
https://t.me/shoranafthttps://t.me/shoraarkansalesnaftyou do not know about this because you genuinely do not give a fuck, this is a hobby to you, watching and discussing politics is just another way for you to cope and pass time
>>2645179>But there is no war of aggression.Unilateral sanctions and tantamount to a blockade and are an illegal act of unprovoked economic warfare. That is a war of aggression alone before considering the proxy forces, electronic warfare and social engineering.
>>2645144Class war is important, sloganeering dogmatism is not
>>2645181you are correct. And the imperialist threat is more alive than ever, therefore the primary task of communists is to oppose the Imperialist attempts to establish pro-American pro-Zionist regime,
>>2645184> Anti westernism and the labor movementyes it is, one seeks primarily to see one side of capital fight against another, the labour movement is first and foremost about overthrowing bourgeois society
>>2645187>strongest labour movement which is anti-Khamenei, here's 2 telegram channels as proofyou must be genuinely retarded to believe this.
>>2645163levels of slavery to a foreign state i haven't quite seen
>>2645179>So let me get this straight; Iran's economy is supposedly going down the shitter because they're not allowed to trade with the west, and sanctions other countries outside the west have already stated they'll be ignoring.
>There continues to be trade with Russia, China, Pakistan, Turkey, Iraq and India. I.e. a group of countries that represent the world's largest economies and a population much higher than the west.
>And we should be cheering this on? Why?you just made the case for multipolarity, congrats
>>2645194levels of slavery to american imperialism I haven't quite seen
>>2645193you are literally delusional, the sky could be blue and you would not believe it, you're just another dreg who lives in conspiracy theories
>>2645197>not believing 2 telegram channels means delusion touch grass retard
>>2645195>So let me get this straight; Iran's economy is supposedly going down the shitter because they're not allowed to trade with the westthen maybe they could offset that by spending less money on weapons to shoot protesters with
>>2645201you gotta source for that?
>>2645156>US imperialism did X<Erm yes but what did Iran do to oppose it?Honestly, there has to be a Bingo sheet for these threads.
>>2645192Who is at the top of bourgeois society smart guy? Which countries run and regulate that system?
>>2645200>>2645202stay mad ultrakiddies
>>2645199>>2645200wow the levels of argument are really top notch today
>>2645204your and others arguments depends on iran "opposing western imperialism" then when they do basically nothing at all, they ought to be worshipped, then when they face turmoil we're expected to bow down to them? fuck you, genuinely
>>2645199literal channels of union organisation and you refuse to even acknowledge it, i don't have words for this
all this BS about the supposedly mega revolutionary labour movement of iran, about arak soviet popping from the anarchoretard's ass, and when it all turns out to be a nothing burger, the leftcoms and the anarchists will disappear and feign ignorance when asked about it
many such cases
>>2645211you have comprehension problems
unions exist like in all civilised countries (obviously not in America)
my point was there is not a
strong enough labour movement in Iran
to seize power >>2645214and there never will be if people like you who would just obey the state were even remotely attached to it, thankfully you're too online to have that affect
>>2645209what happened to no war but class war? why do you want iran to be at war so badly?
>>2645211There being a union with a telegram channel on Iran isn't really proof of them having "the strongest labour movement in the world" is it?
>>2645215keep chasing chimeras
>>2645205> Which countries runnobody runs capital, society as a whole is beholden to capital which is why its useless to get rid of one power or another, the point is to get rid of capital completely
>>2645215the retard who uses 2 telegram channels as proof of there being a revolutionary labour movement capable of seizing power in Iran accuses me of being 'too online'
incredible really
>>2645209No one is calling for the worship of Iran, you’re a liar but only to yourself. It’s just recognised that
not falling in the face of US imperialism is opposition, because success for US imperialism emboldens that same imperialism, they’re not just collapsing other countries for kicks.
Claiming that’s not good enough and Iran needs to also be wherever else in the world the US is also imperialising as opposition, to be considered “anti-imperialist” enough to not participate in manufacturing consent for US imperialism in Iran, is just as disingenuous in claiming
anyone calls for the worship of Iran.
>>2645219Yes, and there is no revolutionary theory among the Iranian comrades.
>>2645225>No one is calling for the worship of Iranthen stop running to its defence
>>2645208retard who believes one (1) graffiti and has two (2) telegram channels to show for is disappoint with the level of arguments
incredible
if these are my 'comrades' in 2026 then may Allah help us
>>2645231>defending a state against american imperialism and zionist predation = worshipping that statemama mia
>>2645233>defending a state against american imperialism and zionist predationhe says in reaction to the state shooting protesters who are angry at living on pennies
>>2645223you dont understand anon revolution doesnt depend on material conditions it depends on the feelings of the workers and if you post mean things about them on an obscure chinese fish mongering forum iranians might read it and get disheartened and give up the whole revolution thing
>>2645228Yes. I am regularly asked to stop posting about the crimes of US imperialism on /usapol/ and instead make my own thread. /usapol/ would like to focus on Zohranism-Plattnerism discourse instead.
I am also routinely reminded that american proles have it the hardest since they are in the imperial core,
the belly of the beast and that I should go fight the American base on Chagos instead.
>>2645238>would like to focus on Zohranism-Plattnerism discourse instead. you should get a fucking job
>>2645235The cause does not matter; only the end result matters. What happens if the protestors are successful? Will an IRanian Socialist Republic be established? No. A regime subservient to America and Israel will be established.
Thus, shooting the protestors = opposing imperialism.
Something I wish the Warsaw Pact communists did in the late 80s.
Death to the Iranian Solidarnosc.
>>2645242>The cause does not matter; only the end result mattersvery easy to say on a shitposting board and not when you're living on pennies and the state has no qualms about blowing your head off
>>2645241Sorry friend, we dont do idealisms around here.
>>2645151Might not have noticed but workers and students aren't mutually exclusive either. But to answer your question; killing women for (perceived) improper hijab as happened a few years ago is disgusting regardless if they'd all been bourgeois women.
>How do you know the proles are firmly on the side of the anti-govt movement?I don't! Nor do I care. Anymore than I care about how many Polish proles support PiS, how many American workers voted for an orange bourgeois child rapist, or how many Pakistani proles or elsewhere support their governments.
>>2645188Iran isn't cut off from any vital resources or some of the world's other largest economies, this includes oil and gas sales and exports. Why do principled socialist multipolaristas care about allowing Iranian porkies to trade with the Great Satan and their European vassals anyway? You want them to be able to sell their oil to the supposed genocidaires of Gaza too? Lol
>>2645189Class war primacy is the core of M(L) inspired communism/socialism. If you reject this, then what are you subordinating class interests and class struggle to? (Of course I already know the answer is not some Stirnerian Ego or self)
>>2645195There's no case to be made because we already live in a "multipolar" world. And the pursuit of (national) bourgeois interests won't change this even if the rest of the world joined NATO tomorrow. Case in point is the growing EU-US divide. The Iranian economy depends on Indian and Chinese exports and this would also remain true even if Khamanei and the IRGC were to be replaced with an ultra-zionist pro-American neoliberal anarcho-pahlavi junta tomorrow.
>>2645243I am living on pennies. I am poorer than most of the Iranian protestors if that matters to you.
>>2645248considering the fact that their money is worth literally nothing now i doubt that
>>2645235to that I said
>>2645160and I will summarise by saying; calling the armed clash between those who wish to surrender to US imperialism after decades of sanctions/bombs/mass hysteria and those who do not (regardless of motivation), a tragedy of the US' making is not defence of the shooting.
>>2645251>calling the armed clash between those who wish to surrender to US imperialismthis is how you are describing people opposing intolerable living conditions
>>2645121Kill yourself ASAP
>>2645246>Class war primacy is the core of M(L) inspired communism/socialismThat doesn't mean you have to be a sloganeering dogmatist
>>2645225there is a worship of the islamic republic here, a type you and others portray, suggesting that the islamic republic does nothing than falling on its ass is met by absolute mongrels like yourself, who say that to even ask of them to do anything at all, is too much, that simply existing is "enough", i hate people like yourself because you support this uncritical worship, any alternative to you is anathema, and anything beyond being the unofficial spokesman for a cult that endorses nothing but failure after failure is what makes you despicable, you and others like you, want nothing than the utter destruction of communism, cheerleading these failures proves it alone
The multipoalroid cope is immaculate. No ammount of moralism, geopolitiks or historical comparisons can hide their disregard of revolutionary politics.
>>2645253just read lenin you dont have to be like this
>>2645256couldn't have said it better, these people need to die
>>2645246I keep running into a particularly insidious type of revisionism. The "Think of the Iranian Women!" revisionism. It is stated repeatedly by disguised zionists, Pahlavists, and liberals larping as communists on our board and misusing the concept of feminism that anti-Khamenei women can be de-Zionised, and, failing that, sent to a labor camp. Let me be perfectly clear. The whores of the pro-Yankees, of the pro-Zionists, and of the Pahlavist aristocracy cannot be
"rehabilitated" or "reeducated" under any circumstances. They must all be liquidated alongside their inbred pedophile worker-hating boyfriends. It is not the duty of the Dictatorship of the Shia'i Clergy to waste precious and limited resources attempting to coddle and reeducate harlots who in 99.9…% of circumstances will grow up to be precisely like their Pahlavist grandmothers, to secretly harbor counter-Islamic opinions, and collaborate amongst themselves to foment islamophobic counter- revolution. I don't care if they're in modest dresses. You put a bullet in their fucking head. Feminism is not real. It is an atheistic anti-islamic construct regarding Zionist relations. It does not matter if this is "good" or "bad." You put the bullet in the westernised woman's brain or she kill you and everyone you love and destroy everything you fought for. Do you understand?
>>2645265post more memes its all you're good for
>>2645258Except again there is no ongoing war of aggression, and ultimately if you believe in the primacy of the class war what matters (to Iranian proles) is their immediate (class) interests, not some vague manichaeist geopol struggle between multipolarista gang and the supposed "hegemons". As if capital isn't present in Iran too. Unless of course you subscribe to
>>2645125 >>2645269newfags like you will not get it
>>2645252In this circumstance, yes, I'm afraid they're surrendering to US imperialism in the hopes that rids themselves of intolerable living conditions, as is very much the open assertion made by US sanctions.
>>2645261they need to be shamed for this at least, demanding nothing but a cult of "anti-imperialism" (a term so fluid, rather than meaning concrete action, it simply refers to a denunciation of action, or mere existence), which demands rather than workers uniting amongst the basis of class, instead they must first consult a foreign nation, that is in the processs of being a failed state, and if you don't, then you are hitler, etc, even if such a nation stands against your own existence, you ought to do so, because it's what we demand, of course such a strategy will lead to nothing but humiliation, anything approaching something resembling communism is to be condemned and instead a pseudo religion is constructed in its name
>>2645271Here since 8chan buddy. We can have a loser off.
>>2645270>what matters (to Iranian proles) is their immediate (class) interestswhat no theory does
>>2645221>nobody runs capital, I asked who is at the top of bourgeois society and runs our current system, not who runs capitalism in the abstract.
>society as a whole is beholden to capital which is why its useless to get rid of one power or another, the point is to get rid of capital completelyAnd how are you gonna do that without getting rid of american hegemony first?
>>2645268>post more memes its all you're good forbecause telling everyone to die is so productive
>>2645256>>2645261>>2645275Is there a reason why neither of you are capitalising words?
>>2645151All women are inherently bourgeois. MGTOW is the true revolutionary vanguard
>>2645177>>2645185I dont mean leftists only. This also applies to neocons, but then again neocons have a motivation to paint them as an axis so they can go and loot them one at a time
>>2645277if you think this is a "no theory" position then you are insane, people don't think of abstract geopolitical frameworks, imagine if say you went on strike in some random western nation, and a liberal accused you of aiding russia and china by doing this, chances are you didn't do so because you consulted your private jesus of geopolitics, you did so because going on strike might alleviate your problems
>>2645274you are a black mold
>>2645283i don't bother to
>>2645285Wrong. They are rent lords.
>>2645279it definitely feels good and you people do deserve to die
>>2645278>And how are you gonna do that without getting rid of american hegemony first?world revolution, we got to this conclusion centuries ago catch up
>>2645274your mother is a whore
>>2645283i copied it from girls
>>2645276ok that's enough browsing for my annual leftypol check in, i hope you all get cancer
What will simply not happen in the current historical context:
>The Iranian workers will rise up and establish the Iranian soviet!
Reason:
>No real union/communist movement in Iran due to decades of US meddling.
What can happen in the current historical context:
>Maidain-style coup
>Western puppet government installed
>Iranian ruling class changes character from national bourgeoisie to comprador bourgeoisie, which always hinders socio-economic development.
>>2645288Ah, I suppose not even when replying to yourself
>>2645294you're one to speak of samefagging, given you do so all the time
>>2645291>world revolutionThat's just restating the same thing again dummy, I'm asking you how you plan on accomplishing that with the anti communist american state still ruling the world? How do you prevent them from destroying any attempt at revolution you make, especially on such a large scale as the entire world
All of this is happening because Russia tried to be a "pole" and overextended in invading Ukraine to the point that the west could shut everything down. They showed their weapons to be garbage and their military to be a paper tiger so Israel and Amerikkka can just fly helicopters in the middle of Caracas or stealth fighters over Tehran and just murder whoever they want. Hell they sold S-400s to Turkey just giving the plans of their wunderwaffen to NATO to make a rubble. Basically Putin traded take some bumfuck villages in the dombass for Syria, Venezuela, Iran, and whoever depended on Russian support and weapon systems really.
Sure western imperialism is bad but they mogged the alternative neolibshit resistance multipolaristas all fell behind and now those are seething so much they bitterly accuse the "mossad leftcoms" of their failure while coping about how Russia is making "advances" in Ukraine between to hyperventilations.
>>2645297and you expect in this multipolar fantasy of yours, that this will happen too?
>>2645292>No real union/communist movement in Iran due to decades of US meddling.And this is why I shan't chastise them for surrendering, it would be based if everyone could handle sanctions like the DPRK does, but then no other nation is the DPRK.
>>2645295>no u >>2645301>>no ua baseless accusation warrants a baseless accusation in turn
>>2645284>The Palestinian Struggle against ZIonist aggression is le inter-imperialist war leftcommunism is the most elaborate troll ever devised. I am impressed
>>2645301The DRPK allow foreign capitalists to rape their workers just like neoliberal Iran does. Liberalism in one shithole is a failure with no relation to Marx.
Get over it.
>>2645300Revolution in whatever form is more likely to succeed when America is no longer capable of destroying said revolutions with impunity. I don't see how that's illogical, but maybe you could provide an argument as to why it's not instead of just stating things like a dumbass?
>>2645292>>Iranian ruling class changes character from national bourgeoisie to comprador bourgeoisie, which always hinders socio-economic development.they are this now though
>>2645308I'm not aware of any "Palestinian struggle" all I know is Palestinian workers struggle against imperialism and reaction who are more than often united against them.
>>2645310because you're making a presumption that "multipolarity will destroy america" and that "therefore you need to support a number of failed states to do that, so you can do a revolution" when this just proved neither assumption is true, if a revolution is to happen, then american power would either fall due to being challenged, or due to decay
>>2645316is completely subordinating your economy not a comprador behavior? if they even possessed the class character of a national bourgeoisie, they would actually be working towards this "multipolarity" you so browbeat
>>2645313yeah fr fr no cap lil Bordigga the paliproles love their israproles ong
>>2645318Wishing to trade is not subordinating your economy, not trading is in fact that, hence why sanctions exist.
>>2645310I too remember when Lenin stated the British Empire had to be destroyed before any revolution was possible, denounced the Bolsheviks, and then spend the rest of his life in Switzerland sending letters condemning socialists for being opportunists and ignoring the primacy and primary contradiction of the struggle against the British Empire.
>>2645316Ah yes "trade" how very materialist
Trade is when the wholesome homogeneous classless society exchange commodities and capital with another for the prosperity of everyone involved
I ❤️ liberalism
The more you integrate into the world market, the more workers you offer on the alter of multinational capital, the more multipolarity wins!
>>2645323Well imperialists don't try to steal the resources of other nations because they can't afford to pay for it, they're not acting in desperation.
It's that it subordinates other economies in favour of your own, if I'm just taking your shit rather than paying for it then I'm not fuelling your economy and self-development, if your market is actually just a part of my market then I get to sell your shit to yourself and that fuels
my economy and my development (usually of weapons to imperialise further)
tbh i always presumed climate change would make america and the world so unstable, that america wouldnt be able to stop revolutions anymore. Plus the climate disaster will incentivize people to revolt.
>>2645307>comprador is when you want to trade and take compromises due to overwhelming diplomatic pressure and military threatReminder that these pro-protest (maidan) ""leftist"" people don't understand basic Marxist terminology.
>>2645326by this reasoning chocolate isn't imperialized through compradors but fairly traded, even though it's a pretty well known imperialist good.
>>2645315>multipolarity will destroy america"Yet I never said this. Multipolarity is just a process that is happening due to America's decline and the relative rise of other powers. This is a good thing if you're concerned with the things the US has gotten up to (such as crushing communist and socialist movements on an unprecedented scale all across the world) while they were in charge.
>therefore you need to support a number of failed states to do that, so you can do a revolutionThe alternative is supporting the US in its struggle to maintain hegemony and crush and subjegate its enemies
>a revolution is to happen, then american power would either fall due to being challenged, or due to decaySays who? Amercan hegemony seems pretty powerful to me, powerful enough to topple entire countries with ease.
>>2645322The British Empire is different than the American Empire, times have changed simple as
>>2645330Please tell me you're not basing this on the "fairtrade" symbol
>>2645313Leftcom try not to be a ziorat challenge: impossible
>actual ultroid bordiggers start posting
Man…
>>2645326>I>mine>me>mySO TRUE!!!1111
I LOVE LIVING IN A CLASSLESS SOCIETY
I LOVE WHEN CLASS INTERESTS ARE SUBORDINATED TO NATIONAL INTERESTS
I LOVE LE NATION
I LOVE CLASS COLLABORATION
BUT I WOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER SUPPORT FASCISTS
This is le interimperialist conflict. Writing paragraphs saying otherwise is just an intellectual masturbation. Le interimperialist conflict, it is that simple.
>>2645333>>2645319Sorry but Hamas ruling Gaza as a free trade zone under Trump's supervision where genocide survivors get to cut cards in casinos for 12 cents a week isn't a victory for "Palestine" because "Palestine" is as real as "Israel".
No war but class war
>>2645338It's le lesser evilism actually
>>2645341No, it is an interimperialist conflict.
>>2645343Concern trolling shill
>>2645343USSR was a bourgeois state engaging in geopolitics. And geopolitics is bourgeois politics.
>>2645340We already know you're a filthy ziorat anon (like all leftcoms in my experience) you don't have to double down anon, it was very clear from the get go
>>2645341I dont understand. Could you elaborate?
>>2645352>voluntarismYou are an opportunist.
>>2645348This is probably the closest thing to Marxism you uttered in your life
>>2645353Exploitation, surplus value, bourgeoisie, class rule, class struggle
>>2645340i know i feel bad for the paliproles who yearn to kill the bourgeois kkkhamas and live happily with their israprole bros
>>2645356And? You are an opportunist.
>>2645353To be a Zionist is to believe Israel is a homogeneous indivisible nation with no inherent contradictions, that's clearly your view not mine.
>>2645357You forgot commodity production and crying about the butchered Israeli proles anon!
>>2645336Marxists prefer any given country having majority national bourgeoisie over comprador bourgeoisie because the former actually develop the national economy while the latter merely serve foreign interests.
In practical terms we always see that comprador countries are one more step away from a communist revolution:
1. comprador -> 2. national -> 3. communist
"Leftists" ITT argue that Iran should move from 2. to 1., putting it further away from 3. Same with Venezuela, really.
No seriously, this is an interimperialist conflict. Dont be a campist. Or justify your tactical campism since campism can be a vehicle for enacting revolutionary conditions.
>>2645361I'm sure the Israeli proles will stop signing up for the IDF and walk hand in hand with their Palestinian brothers any day now anon. Neither Tel Aviv not Gaza!!
>>2645364Read Marx instead of writing your own sub room temperature autism score trash
>>2645363stop strawmanning and go join the lesser evil #resistance like calla walsh
Im confused why anons here dont think multipolar conflicts = the rise of capitalist contradictions. Isnt this a good thing?
>>2645364This post reeks of would/should voluntarism. If bourgeoisie cant defend itself then it sucks. Then it is not a national bourgeoisie regardless of their aspirations and feeble attempts. Iranian bourgeoisie is comprador.
>>2645370At least put a flag on
All my life I thought Marxist stagism meant lower and higher stage communism like Marx said but alas this lefty/pol/rite opened my eyes to the good bourgeoisie stage vs evil bourgeoisie stage… now I have becum lib the falsfier of Marx
>>2645375No stagism is an economism. And thats le bad.
>>2645371My post is not what a strawman is anon lol. Stop being a ziorat and I'll stop calling you one
I appreciate burgers practicing revolutionary defeatism by wanting as many Iranians killed just for their regime to trade with the west in the hopes that this will overthrow the US 250 years down the line. But since I can recognize their revolutionary defeatism I'm not sure why they can't recognize mine against my bourgeoisie.
>>2645376>more volintarism and geopoliticsMods permaban this guy
>terminal stage voluntarism
holy fuck you people are juvenile
>>2645389and yet here you are
>>2645391I enjoy the circus
>>2645392You are our silliest clown anon 🫶
>>2645392a clown likes his circus, no doubt
>>2645395 (me)
Reported, btw
>>2645338>>2645344Kill yourself,
NOW! >>2645401Mods, twist this guy's dick around like a balloon animal
Liberalism with islamic characteristics.
>b-but muh palestinians
Liberalism.
People here say that it is class war. Others say it is an interimperialist conflict. Me? I say this is no class war but a national liberation struggle of iranian people, yes people as a whole, against a foreign multinational oppression and a comprador state apparatus.
>>2645404Two things can be true at the same time though
>>2645404Have Kurds risen up against Iranian colonialism?
>>2645404 (me)
*multinational foreign oppression, as in multinational capital opressing iranian people
>>2645414Yeah sure buddy still an interimperialist conflict.
>>2645415Iran does not have an imperialist economy, therefore in Marxist terms it literally can not be an imperialist power, and this can not be an inter-imperialist conflict.
>>2645416>iran doesnt have imperialist economyHas no bearing on this being an interimperialist conflict.
>>2645422>interimperialist conflict is possible between non-imperialist and imperialist powers2 apples + 2 cucumbers =5 banan
Is Iran dead
>>2645414So I assume you can't see the dozens European companies that are involved in Iran's oil industry?
https://www.iranoilgas.com/companies/listforeign >>2645437>imperialist countries export capital to IranThat's literally why Iran can't be imperialist, you retard.
>>2645439Thankfully Iranian protesters are about go overthrow this comprador regime
>>2645242Ultimately this is how these arguments with you retards go about. Keep typing this shit out from the comfort of your smelly room for other people to see and conclude that leftists are retarded and evil.
>>2645451Do you believe there is a possibility than Iranian Socialists seize power if the Ayatollah Regime is toppled?
>>2645456Very high possibility
>lets take a look at iranian socialists' program
>oh my bordiga, they are opportunists
>>2645458bordiga bordiga please save me bordiga
>>2645457What is the basis for such confidence? What inclines you to feel that way?
>>2645439And? Still an interimperialist conflict
>US aggression on Venezuela
<a special branch of western leftism suddenly has the urge to preach how VEnezuela is actually neoliberal
>Iranian protests, American and Israeli imperialists rubbing their hands at the opportunity to make Iran their colony
<a special branch of western leftism telling everybody how the Arak Soviet will topple the fascist Ayatollah regime anytime now
I am noooooticing
>The Tudeh Party of Iran
>Iran on the Brink of Potentially Devastating Transformations:
>“The Urgent Need for Immediate Action to Save the Country from Dictatorship”
>Published- 12 January 2026It must be stated clearly once again that the outbreak of the current protest uprising and its expansion over the past 15 days are rooted directly in the rapid spread of poverty, inequality, and blatant injustice, as well as corruption and the wealth accumulation of a small minority as a result of the government’s economic policies over the past three decades—not in demands for the return of monarchy or the restoration of royal rule.
Moreover, alongside the heroic struggle of hundreds of thousands of people against despotism and class oppression, it is evident that certain organized elements and groups, through acts of sabotage and violence, are attempting to pave the way for direct intervention by the United States and its allies in the course of the current protests.
In this way, the catastrophic consequences of the ruling theocratic regime’s domestic policies, combined with the devastating impact of U.S. sanctions on people’s lives and livelihoods, have placed the country today in an extremely difficult situation.
Imperialist media outlets, once again relying on their vast resources and capabilities, have launched propaganda campaigns and disseminated fabricated narratives aimed at restoring the monarchy. They are attempting to ride the wave of the people’s legitimate protests and divert the anti-dictatorship movement from its true path. On the one hand, these media provide an excuse for regime leaders to label the people’s protest uprising as the work of the United States and Israel; on the other hand, by exaggerating monarchist currents, they seek to create obstacles in the process of building unity and practical coordination among progressive and national forces.
Developments at home and abroad over the past few days demonstrate that the artificial and dependent current formed around the slogan “return of the monarchy” not only lacks a broad social base and a serious program for democratic change, but is also incapable of achieving anything without U.S. and Israeli intervention and threats—aside from sabotaging the anti-dictatorship movement and popular protests. Reza Pahlavi’s shameful request to Trump on January 9, under the pretext of “helping the people of Iran,” in which he stated, “You have proven—and I know—that you are a man of peace and true to your word; please be ready to intervene to help the people of Iran,” is a clear example of the anti-national behaviour of this current. In practice, such appeals have given the leaders and repression apparatus of the Islamic Republic the opportunity and pretext they needed—citing Khamenei’s order labelling protesters as “rioters” and “foreign agents” and warning that the government would show them no leniency—to violently suppress the entire protest movement by falsely accusing the people, through figures such as Pezeshkian, of being “terrorists,” “instigators,” and mercenaries of the “enemy.” Given Trump’s threats of intervention in Iran, the actions of Reza Pahlavi and the leaders of the Islamic Republic together could create conditions that smooth the path toward a U.S. attack on Iran.
Over the past few days, major Western media outlets and some Western politicians, by exaggerating the monarchist current and steering public opinion toward portraying the collapse of the Islamic Republic as inevitable—and direct “Western” intervention under Trump’s leadership as necessary—have been pursuing and guiding an “alternative-making project” for Iran. For example, since last Friday night, BBC radio and television networks in the UK have aired videos produced by the Mojahedin-e Khalq Organization, conducted interviews with John Bolton, and broadcast similar programs. Alongside major media in France and the United States, they are attempting to create an atmosphere and justification for intervention in Iran’s internal developments. The British government, a longstanding accomplice of the United States in advancing imperialist policies, also announced on Sunday, January 11, that it seeks a “peaceful transfer of power in Iran.”
In addition, we are witnessing regrettable actions by some well-known Iranian figures. Among them are Shirin Ebadi, jurist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate; Mohsen Makhmalbaf, writer and filmmaker; and Abdullah Mohtadi, Secretary-General of the Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan. In alignment with Reza Pahlavi, they wrote a letter to Trump calling for his intervention in Iran’s affairs—an intervention that would include military action. Is Shirin Ebadi unaware of the fascistic views, reactionary anti-woman and racist ideology, and aggressive, hegemonic policies of a figure like Trump and his war-criminal accomplice Netanyahu?
Within the framework of the plans of the United States and its allies for our country and the region, such appeals and reliance on foreign intervention in Iran’s internal affairs are in fact tools to contain and neutralize any possibility of organizing a popular movement and forming an Iranian force capable of rescuing the country from the current ruling dictatorship and guiding it toward national-democratic revolutionary transformations. These imperialist interventionist policies have been repeated many times in Iran over the past century. The Pahlavis played a fundamental role in implementing these policies, benefited from them, and in return granted major concessions to the intervening powers—against national interests—including during the August 19, 1953 coup against the national government of Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh following the nationalization of the oil industry.
After the overthrow of the dependent dictatorship of the Pahlavi family more than four decades ago in the popular revolution of 1979, the theocratic dictatorship quickly abandoned the ideals of the revolution and, in order to preserve the dominance of “political Islam” and protect the astronomical wealth of power-connected elites, positioned itself against the working people and national interests. For years, this regime has been an obstacle to fundamental national-democratic transformations. The situation has now deteriorated to such an extent that society sees all avenues for justice-seeking, equality, and freedom closed, and—despite repression—has reached an explosive stage of widespread street protest to reclaim its rights. Under such acute conditions, with a weak, corrupt, and repressive government, Iran once again faces dangerous threats from the United States, Israel, and their infiltrating agents.
Following successive popular protests in Iran over the past one or two decades, it is clear that the theocratic regime has now lost the ability to contain or balance against the legitimate protest uprisings of the majority of society and is no longer capable of even relatively repairing or managing the deep rift between the people and the state. The remarks made last Sunday night by Masoud Pezeshkian in his so-called “frank and friendly televised dialogue with the people” on the economic and livelihood crisis and the removal of subsidized exchange rates were nothing more than a repetition of tedious and fruitless rhetoric from the past and will bring no real change in favor of the people. His ineffective “talk therapy” acknowledging the economic roots of recent protests—without offering any effective remedy—will have no impact on public opinion. The working people feel these issues with their own flesh and blood and have learned through experience that government officials lack the will and capacity to resolve them.
On the same day, Mohammad-Bagher Ghalibaf, the Speaker of Parliament, had nothing to say beyond repeating dangerous and reckless bravado—bravado that can clearly be interpreted as beating the drums of war. He stated: “In the event of a military attack, Iran, within the framework of legitimate defence, will consider Israel and U.S. military and shipping centres to be legitimate targets.” Ebrahim Azizi, a brigadier general in the IRGC and head of Parliament’s National Security Commission, went even further with such foolish and dangerous posturing, stating with reference to the recent protests: “In the future, the Islamic Republic will consider any action against the United States and Israel legitimate because of these events.” Meanwhile, according to Trump’s latest claim, the Islamic Republic has requested the start of negotiations, and Abbas Araghchi also announced on Monday, January 12, that “the Islamic Republic is ready both for war and for negotiations.”
The reality is that both the powerful forces and factions within the structure of the ruling dictatorship and the forces dependent on Trump’s America seek the continuation of some form of dictatorship in Iran. The first group pursues this goal either through preserving the existing structure centred on the absolute rule of the Supreme Leader—though its lifespan is rapidly approaching its end—or through limited changes aimed at safeguarding big-capital interests at any cost, while maintaining the current political economy within a neoliberal framework. The second group advances this approach within the strategic plans of Trump’s domineering and coercive government, in coordination with the war-mongering Netanyahu, to redraw the region’s geopolitical map. Today, Iran stands at the centre of these changes in its weakest and most fragile political, economic, and social condition.
Over the past century, this is yet another instance in which our country, due to the recklessness of its rulers and their disregard for the lives and livelihoods of working people, has fallen into unrest and entered a path of decisive transformations. Unfortunately, this time—as during the 1979 revolution—progressive and national political forces lack the necessary preparedness for effective and practical unity around a shared minimum program, making the direction of current developments deeply concerning. Once again, certain circles are attempting to impose a “leader” on the movement from outside. The fragmentation of progressive forces is such that until just a few weeks ago, some organizations and individuals—rather than focusing on constructive dialogue, practical coordination, and mutual support (including and especially support for prominent forces and figures inside the country such as Mir-Hossein Mousavi or Tajzadeh and 17 civil activists who declared that “transition from the Islamic Republic is the only way to save Iran”)—were instead preoccupied with abstract interviews and writings disconnected from the country’s realities and external threats, redefining “the left” and settling scores with progressive forces, while the left movement and the Tudeh Party of Iran were simultaneously under pressure and attack from the regime’s security-media apparatus and media linked to the Pahlavi camp and foreign powers. It is clear that this fragmentation, divisiveness, and inaction effectively serve the interests of the theocratic dictatorship and monarchist currents.
The Tudeh Party of Iran, through its calls, official documents, articles in Nameh-ye Mardom, and direct contacts with other progressive and national forces, has repeatedly emphasized the necessity of constructive dialogue and practical cooperation around a minimum program in the struggle against the ruling authoritarian regime. Progressive forces need to formulate a shared program that can be presented to the people and prepare the movement to confront the current critical situation. With such a tool, there is hope that developments can be directed toward serving national interests and popular demands. Unfortunately, thus far this opportunity has not been used to organize a united and effective struggle against dictatorship.
Nevertheless, despite the harsh conditions prevailing in the country and the inability of progressive national forces to effectively shape the course of events, we believe that the anti-dictatorship struggle and the defence of peace and national sovereignty will continue for objective and real reasons. From the perspective of the Tudeh Party of Iran, a shared framework for dialogue and agreement among progressive left and national forces at the current stage of struggle may include the following fundamental objectives:
Moving toward the establishment of a national-democratic government, with the complete separation of religion from the state—including all governmental and executive institutions, legislation, the judiciary, and all aspects of social planning
A complete halt to neoliberal economic programs in the core sectors of the national economy
Defence of peace, national sovereignty, commitment to Iran’s territorial integrity, and opposition to any form of foreign intervention in Iran’s internal affairs
Freedom for all labour, political, and ideological prisoners
The urgency of the moment dictates that, to save the country from dictatorship, we must immediately join hands and act without delay.
Quoted from “Nameh-ye Mardom” Central Organ of the Tudeh Party of Iran, Issue No. 1251, 12 January 2026.
https://www.idcommunism.com/2026/01/tudeh-party-of-iran-statements-on-current-crisis-in-iran-demonstrations-and-imperialist-threats.html?m=1 >>2645466Your leftoid ass only notices now because you don't care about about the communist parties of those countries or you'd know they have been denouncing their neolibshit government for ages.
>>2645471It is precisely because I care alot about the Comm Parties of these countries that I know they are totally irrelevant and just glorified book clubs
you, who knows them only thorugh wikis and telegram channels, are a RETARD
>>2645473>>2645466dengists would rather defend a glorified religious monarchy that kills and torture leftists, and opposed the USSR over decades old communist parties that are organizing the working class and stuff, over fucking campism and shit
you is not a communist, just another of those d*ngoid clones, stalin would have killed you
>>2645456The probability of the October Revolution happening was also very low and yet it DID happen. Condemning an entire mass of people with legitimate grievances, even if there is a possibility of foreign infiltration like in every single movement all over the world, even if their interests are not unified around a Communist program, to just be shot or hung by reactionary armed forces is the kind of insanity that has been accepted for far too long in this board and Twitter and just leads to us being catalogued as bloodthirsty maniacs.
>>2645475Dengism is stalinism.
>>2645475I knew you were an opportunist falsifier. This is an interimperialist conflict, cope and seethe
Anyone have an update on the arak soviet?
>>2645476It happened then it got fucked because there was no revolution in yurop
>>2645478>dengism is stalinismnope, bukharinoid
<A section of the Rights kept under cover, abstaining from open attacks on the Party line. In the Moscow Party press and at Party meetings, it was advocated that concessions must be made to the kulaks, that heavy taxation of kulaks was inadvisable, that industrialization was burdensome to the people, and that the development of heavy industry was premature.<What is happening in China is the product of twelve years of revisonist rule. After the death of Mao Tsetung in1976, a reactionary coup d'etat brought to power a new exploiting class (if you care enough to listen to RCP cultists give a read)
Stalin would shoot yall new leftists for blatant right opportunists
>>2645486Bukharin has nothing to do with dengism. Besides that he formulated a lot of the concepts we associate with stalinism now like soic
>>2645489Anti-imperialism is a sham and humbug?
>>2645489truthnuke but sauce where?
>Exclusive: Armed Kurdish groups sought to cross into Iran from Iraq, sources say -REUTERSDUBAI, Jan 14 (Reuters) - Armed Kurdish separatist groups sought to cross the border into Iran from Iraq, three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters, in a sign of foreign entities potentially seeking to take advantage of instability after days of crackdown on protests against Tehran.
The three sources, who included a senior Iranian official and who all spoke on condition of anonymity, said neighbouring Turkey's intelligence agency had warned Iran's Revolutionary Guards (IRGC) of the Kurdish fighters crossing the frontier in recent days.
The Iranian official said the IRGC had clashed with the Kurdish fighters, who the official said sought to create instability and take advantage of the protests. The Guards are an elite force that has suppressed previous bouts of unrest in Iran.
The Turkish intelligence agency MIT did not immediately comment on the issue, nor did the presidency in Ankara. Turkey, which deems Kurdish militants in northern Iraq terrorists, has warned in recent days that any foreign intervention in Iran would escalate regional crises.
The fighters had been dispatched from Iraq and Turkey, the Iranian official said, adding that Tehran has asked those countries to halt any transfer of fighters or weapons to Iran.
A rights group said 2,600 people have been killed in recent days in a crackdown on Iranian protesters opposing clerical rule and who have been urged on by the United States, which has threatened to intervene.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/armed-kurdish-groups-sought-cross-into-iran-iraq-sources-say-2026-01-14/ >>2645489meaningless word salad. communists are irrelevant in iran
>>2645461It will happen, and if it won't, it would've happened if we believed it'd have happened
>>2645494From the 12 days war by group of Iranian communists as reported by United Workers’ Front Conference for the Defense of Palestine
https://www.uwfpalestine.com/en/articles/message-to-the-united-workers-front-conference-for-the-defense-of-palestine >>2645505No worries. It literally made me believe in internationalism.
>>2645475they gotta do a much better job at organising the working class then
You must learn to separate your desires from material reality
This is an interimperialist conflict.
>>2645514Please consult the graph
>>2645284 Turkey is in discussions with US, Iran to push for talks, but it may be “too late,” source says
From CNN’s Gul Tuysuz
Turkey is in touch with both Iranian and American officials about returning to the negotiating table, a regional diplomatic source told CNN on Wednesday, but warned that it may be “too late.”
“Currently, there is talk about negotiating. The pace of talks is slow, (and) at this speed might end up being too late,” the source said.
>>2645524keeeeeeeek
>>2645526>kill iranian protesters >suck american dick>kill iranian protesters>suck american dickThe IRGC grindset is unreal
>>2645524Except the german empire wasnt the global hegemon with that capability, with additional countless examples of having done it before
Leftcom really is an infantile disorder holy shit
critical support to the iranian bourgeoisie in their struggle against an pro-imperialist national proletariat
>>2645533The german empire literally handed them gold lol
LENIN PLS SAVE THIS THREAD
>I wish no harm to Iranian ruling class, my enemy is the iranian people
>>2645466Same happened with the first Syria bombings. A "special" kind of """leftist""" type emerged talking about Assad's "dirty bombs" (vs. Israel's & USA's "precision strikes") and OldBO mass purged them, leading to the purged idiots starting their own anti-Assad and pro-Rojava board. (Now Rojava is OK with ISIS rule, go figure….)
So yeah, these are literal glowies tasked with manufacturing consent working from shit-tier handbooks. You can tell that btw from their non-Marxist use of Marxist terms (imperialism, voluntarism, democracy, radlib, comprador, etc.) and out-of-context sloganeering ("No war but class war" – as if Iran had a massive worker's movement ready to overthrow the Ayatollah, lol) and so on.
Langley is not sending their best + it has been a known fact that these "special kinds of leftists" appear whenever a major US/ISR imperialist action is on the menu.
The fact that our current mods don't purge these fags on sight is due to:
1. Class-collaborationist "left-unity" mission statement of this website.
= An UK/US socdem's/ultra's/vague "antifa's" take has the same value as an ML's from the global South.
(All of this in the name of freedom of speech and """healthy internal debate""" – see on this Lenin's WitbD.)
2. Mod team being dominated by Global North "volunteers" and NEETS (only possible for NEETS w p-bourg or labor aristocrat backgrounds.)
= "Western perspective" (imperialist haute bourgeois media manufactured "opinions") gets undue emphasis and acceptance.
(Your anti-imperialist sauce < my "democratic/progressive" sauce. You support "autocrats, oligarchs, etc." I support the "people, workers, etc."….)
3. An online institutional jannytariat structure arises from points 1&2 quite naturally which prefers "peace" over "divisive speech" – leading to
4. Glowie infestation being easy as fuck.
I honestly believe that at least 2 mods are on CIA/MOSSAD payroll due to the fact that "volunteers" are selected on very loose conditions, namely checking like 10 previous posts by same ID with parasocial relationships on the Matrix (mod chat) server being prioritized over ideological (Marxist) discipline.
Yeah, so, I'm so tired of this shit, honestly. These problems have been highlighted to the ever-changing mod/BO team for a decade, and they don't do anything about it.So the real question is: since the jannytariat is institutionally on the side of "special leftists" (they won't do shit due to the above mentioned reasons), how does the posteriat combat them?
>>2645471>communist parties of those countries99% of the Tudeh """communist""" party lives in the EU, lmao
>>2645540Fuck can I became a mod and get paid by Mossad while chuds express their incel rage at me?
Where do i sign up?
>>2645545Wow so just like the Bolsheviks in 1916?
>>2645547>third worldist retard is racistEvery time
theres no strong workers movement in iran wtf. why are some of you comparing iran to russia lmfao
>>2645540every time there is a Western intervention on the cards, 'workers councils' and 'revolutionary' militias pop up. Look at this badly dated article on Libya 2011, and see it's the same as these claims of a Soviet being formed in Arak.
As in Tunisia and Egypt the revolutionary people are setting up
committees to take control of the running of society. Reuter published a
quote of a woman in Benghazi that completely sums up the situation:
"Somayah, a housewife in Benghazi, said: ‘The city is fine now after a
group of lawyers and doctors, as well as youth volunteers, formed public
committees and are keeping things in order’."
Engels explained that the state is armed bodies of men. In Benghazi
and other cities controlled by the rebels, the old state has ceased to
exist. It has been replaced by the armed people, revolutionary militias,
which Lenin said were the embryo of a new state power. According to one
report, military checkpoints between Benghazi and Egypt to the east are
now manned only by armed militia. The young men carrying Kalashnikovs
subject a lorry driver to a desultory check. “But there is no government
any more!” the driver protests. The argument strikes the young men as
conclusive, and they wave him on with a smile.
https://communist.red/uprising-in-libya-tremble-tyrants/ >>2645540You really think and believe this?
>>2645499Yes but it agrees with "real communists stand aside while global hegemon imperialist takes out national bourgeoisie, that's bullish for socialism!" anons ITT, presumably because it comes from the same place as when all unsuccessful Communist parties make this point
>organising against this bourgeoisie is too hard!and thus they're gambling on US imperialism to shake up their society in the hopes an "easier" bourgeoisie to organise against comes to power.
Their confidence this will actually happen is evident by them screaming "liberal" at anyone who expresses doubt, while subtly making sure to keep mentioning the anti-communist nature of the current national bourgeoisie while
not mentioning the anti-communist nature of the US/NATO/West/Garden.
>>2645549Yeah, just like in 1916 when the u.s. was the global hegemon and orchestrating color revolutions
Le interimperialist conflict guys.
>>2645540Do exodus to a leftypol split site i guess? You and likeminded people.
if leftypol had a exodus this site would finally die
>>2645556I know all of this
>>2645565Okay. Will you go to a splinter leftypol?
Seriously go to leftypol splinter and restore the old 8chan leftypol line there
>ML from the global south
I see why vro is mad since all active Iranian orgs are leftcoms since shitalin and the west invaded their country and slaughtered millions in ww2
so this is how leftypol dies….
>>2645562>Iranian workers are refusing to collaborate with their bourgeoisieMarx 101 and Lenin 101 would teach you that this is meaningless phrase mongering. The protestors aren't organized as a class in Iran. Period.
You might as well replace "Iranian WORKER protesters" with "Iranian PEOPLE" and still would be meaning the same.
Read the book. >>2645563>Remove yourself from the main contradictionNah, I think you westoids deserve to be bullied.
>>2645582So why are you mad at the Iranian workers not collaborating with their bourgeoisie?
American Jews staged these protests.
the anglo staged these protests
>>2645584Thank you. Now lets resume. This is le interimperialist conflict. (Now you respond with long effort post only for me to reply with >x-ism)
Found the perfect flag for the leftypol zigger split
>>2645592Mods ban this man for racism
>>2645594mods ban this man for spamming
>>2645540Either do an exodus or become le mo-de-ra-tor.
>>2645383>>2645395>>2645594>>2645595Notice the divisive tactics of the CIA and consult
>>2645540 >>2645585You're missing the point. He's saying that without proper class consciousness and organization this "non-cooperation" will not produce any kind of progressive change. The crux of the anti-demonstration argument is that there's nothing to indicate that this movement will produce a more progressive government in Iran. In the absence of such indicators the most pressing danger is that they will produce an even more reactionary one, because we know with certainty that imperialist agents are working to bring this about, and unlike communists they have massive resources behind them. If real indicators of a class conscious and revolutionary character to these protests emerge, and that progressive forces have a handle on the situation to the exclusion of imperialist meddlers, then I will come over to the side of the demonstrators.
>>2645603hey i dont work for the cia, i work for interpol
Reminder that you can't be ML and oppose class collaboration
1. Uncle shitalin said so
2. Uncle shitalin collaborated with fascists and western colonialists
3. Uncle shitalin abolished the comintern
>”I assert that Kamenev’s statement that “the dictatorship is not an alliance of one class with another,” in the categorical form in which it is made, has nothing in common with Lenin’s theory of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Be a good cuck and don't pretend to be Marxist
Exodus status?
>>2645604Could you stop writing paragraphs that no one reads to defend class collaboration with the ontologically prole bourgeoisie?
>>2645604These """special kind of leftists""" are praising a Maidan Coup right as we speak, which lead to literal genocidal nazi power in Ukraine. You speak to them as if they were genuine.
They are not. At best they are Western chauvinists "spreading democracy," at worst they are literally on CIA payroll.
You should know better, Sabo.
>>2645605Oh, forgive me, that is a completely respectable job. Have a nice day!!!!!!!!
>>2645611>aiOkay you were right guys this is glowie propaganda psy op thingie. Lets do exodus to a splinter and restore the ways the old days of BO
>>2645616>defend class collaboration with the ontologically prole bourgeoisie?Maybe if you read them you'd understand that I'm not saying anything of the sort. Thus far nobody is actually addressing the main argument against supporting these demonstrations. It's all just strawmen and shitposting.
>>2645623Nice job admitting you are pro imperialist
>>2645626sabo give up. This thread is filled with shitposters now
Sabo, do you think there needs to be an exodus if the true old leftypol is to be restored?
>Letter of Imam Khomeini,
>The Great Leader of the Islamic Revolution and Founder of the Islamic Republic of Iran,
>To President Mikhail Gorbachev, Leader of the Soviet Union
In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful
Your Excellency Mr. Gorbachev1, Chairman of the Presidium of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
With due wishes for the happiness and prosperity of Your Excellency and the people of the Soviet Union.
Since your assumption of office there has been the impression that Your Excellency, in analyzing world political events, particularly those pertaining to the Soviet Union, have found yourself in a new era of reassessment, change, and confrontation; and your boldness and initiative in dealing with the realities of the world is quite likely to bring about changes that would result in upsetting the equations of power dominating the world. I have therefore found it necessary to bring certain matters to your attention.
Even if your new approach and decisions are merely used as a means to overcome the party crisis, and to solve some of the problems confronting your people, your courage in reappraising a school of thought that has for decades enchained the revolutionary youth of the world behind its iron curtain is indeed worthy of praise. If, however, you are considering taking a further step forward, the first thing that will ensure your success is that you re-evaluate your predecessors’ policy of obliterating God and religion from society2, a policy that has no doubt given the heaviest blow to the Soviet people. Rest assured that this is the only way whereby world problems can be dealt with realistically.
Viewing Islam as a remnant of the pre-socialist stage, Marxists took two major approaches to confront it: to wipe out Islam as an alien element from the scene of public life by openly challenging it, and to assimilate Islam into Russian society by Russianizing Muslims. Stalin, the most notorious of all communist leaders, persecuted Muslims on a large scale by banishing certain Muslim peoples collectively to Siberia and Asia Minor. The astonishing number of Russian anti- religious publications distributed in Islamic countries is part of the Soviet government’s universal struggle against Islam. The occupation of Afghanistan was the Soviet Union’s last attempt to penetrate the Islamic world.
Of course it is possible that as a result of wrong economic policies of former communist authorities, the Western world, an illusory heaven, will appear to be fascinating; but the truth lies elsewhere. If you hope, at this juncture, to cut the economic Gordian knots of socialism and communism by appealing to the center of Western capitalism, you will, far from remedying any ill of your society, commit a mistake which those to come will have to erase. For, if Marxism has come to a deadlock in its social and economic policies, capitalism has also bogged down, in this as well as in other respects though in a different form.
Mr. Gorbachev,
Reality must be faced. The main problem confronting your country is not one of private ownership, freedom and economy; your problem is the absence of true faith in God, the very problem that has dragged, or will drag, the West to vulgarism and an impasse. Your main problem is the prolonged and futile war you have waged against God, the source of existence and creation.
Mr. Gorbachev,
It is clear to everybody that from now on communism will only have to be found in the museums of world political history, for Marxism cannot meet any of the real needs of mankind. Marxism is a materialistic ideology and materialism cannot bring humanity out of the crisis caused by a lack of belief in spirituality—the prime affliction of the human society in the East and the West alike.
Mr. Gorbachev,
You may have not in theory turned your back on certain aspects of Marxism—and may continue to profess your heartfelt loyalty to it in interviews—but you know that, in practice, the reality is not so. The leader of China3 struck the first blow to communism and you have
struck the second and, apparently, final blow. Today we have no such thing as communism in the world.
I earnestly call on you, however, not to get trapped, while tearing down the walls of Marxist illusions, in the prison of the West and the Great Satan.4 I hope you will attain the honor of removing the decayed layers of 70-year communist aberration from the face of history and of your country. Today those allies of yours that are genuinely concerned about their homelands and people are no longer willing to sacrifice their subterranean and surface resources to keep alive the myth of the success of communism—an ideology whose din of collapse has already reached the ears of their children.
Mr. Gorbachev,
When after 70 years the call, “Allah is Great” and the testimony to the prophethood of the Seal of the Prophets, Muhammad (peace be upon him and his posterity) were heard from the minarets of the mosques in some of your Republics, all the followers of the pure Muhammadan Islam were moved to tears out of ecstasy.
Therefore, I have found it necessary to remind you to reflect once again on the materialistic and theistic worldviews. Materialists consider sense to be the sole criterion of knowledge and are of the opinion that whatever cannot be known through the senses falls outside the realm of knowledge. They identify existence with matter and consider as nonexistent anything that has no material body. Inevitably, they regard the world of the unseen—God Almighty, Divine Revelation, Prophethood, and the Resurrection—as mere fiction.
On the other hand, theists consider both sense and reason to be the criteria of knowledge, and maintain that whatever can be known through reason lies within the realm of knowledge, although it is not perceptible. To theists, therefore, existence is inclusive of both the unseen and the manifest. For a thing to exist it is not necessary to have a material body. In the same way that a material thing depends on an incorporeal thing,5 sensory perception is dependent on rational perception.6
The Holy Qur’an reprobates the fundamentals of materialistic thought and, addressing those who say:
“We shall never believe in thee until we see God manifestly,”7
proclaims:
“Vision comprehends Him not, and He comprehends all vision; and He is the Knower of subtleties, the Aware.”8
I should not like to present here Qur’anic arguments concerning Divine Revelation, Prophethood and the Resurrection which from your point of view are debatable. In fact, I do not wish to entangle you in the twists and turns of philosophical arguments, particularly those of Islamic philosophy. I will content myself by presenting one or two simple, intuitive examples of which even politicians can avail themselves.
It is self-evident that matter, whatever its nature, has no awareness of self. Consider a stone statue: each side is ignorant of the other side. Whereas human beings and animals clearly observe and are aware of their surroundings. They know where they are and are aware of what goes on around them. There must be, then, an element in men and animals that transcends matter and is separate from it, living beyond the life of matter.
Intrinsically, man seeks to attain absolute perfection. He strives, as you well know, for absolute power over the world; he is not attached to any power that is defective. If he has the entire world at his command, he naturally feels inclined to have command of another world once he is informed of its existence. No matter how learned a person may be if he learns of some other branch of knowledge, he naturally feels inclined to attain mastery of that branch of knowledge as well.
Therefore, there must be some Absolute Power and Absolute Knowledge to which man is attached. It is God we all seek although we may not be aware of it. Man strives to attain Absolute Truth, so that he may be annihilated in God. Basically, the desire for eternal life that is inherent in every individual is proof of the existence of an Eternal World to which destruction cannot find its way.
Should Your Excellency desire further information on these matters, you may command those scholars of yours who are well-versed in this field to study, in addition to the works of Western philosophers, the writings of Peripatetic philosophers9, al-Farabi10 and Avicenna,11
peace be upon them. It will then become clear that the law of causation on which all knowledge depends is a rational, not sensible law. Likewise, perception of general laws and concepts on which all reasoning rests is reached not by means of sensory experience but through rational argument.12 Your scholars may further refer to the Ishraqi13 theosophy of Suhrawardi,14 and explain to you that the flesh, as well as any other material thing, is in need of Pure Light which has no material entity, that man’s witnessing of his own truth does not take place by means of any sense organ.15 You may also have the scholars familiarize themselves with Transcendental philosophy16 of Mulla Sadra 17(may Allah be pleased with him and resurrect him with the prophets and the pious), so that it may become clear that the nature of knowledge is different from the nature of matter and that intellect, far removed from matter, cannot be restricted by the laws governing matter.
I won’t tire you further by mentioning the works of mystics, in particular Muhyi’d-Din ibn al-‘Arabi.18 If you wish to make yourself acquainted with the doctrines of this celebrated mystic, send a number of your brilliant scholars, who are well-versed in this field, to Qum19 so that, by reliance on God, they may, after a couple of years, glimpse the depth of the delicate stages of gnosis,20 which will be impossible for them to acquire without making such a journey.
Mr. Gorbachev,
After mentioning these problems and preliminary points, let me call on you to study Islam earnestly, not because Islam and the Muslims may need you but because Islam has exalted universal values which can bring comfort and salvation to all nations and remove the basic problems of mankind. A true understanding of Islam may forever release you from the problem of Afghanistan21 and other similar involvements. We treat Muslims of the world as Muslims of our own country and will ever share in their destiny.
By granting certain liberties to some of your Republics in matters pertaining to religious practices, you have shown that you no longer consider religion as the “opium of the people.”22 Indeed, how can Islam be the opium of the people—the religion that has made Iranians as firm as a mountain against superpowers? Is the religion that seeks the administration of justice in the world and man’s freedom from material and spiritual shackles, the opium of the people? Only that religion is the opium of the people that causes the material and spiritual resources of Islamic and non-Islamic countries to pass into the clutches of super and lesser powers and that preaches that religion is separate from politics. This, however, cannot be called a true religion; it is what our people call “an American religion.”
In conclusion, I declare outright that the Islamic Republic of Iran as the greatest and most powerful base of the Islamic world can easily fill the vacuum of religious faith in your society. In any case, our country, as in the past, honors good neighborhood and bilateral relations.
Peace be upon those who follow the guidance.23
Ruhullah al-Musawi al-Khomeini
67/10/11 AHS
[January 1, 1989
>>2645632No, old leftypol was good because it had a diversity of opinions and high effort discussion. OldBO ruined it by trying to make it ideologically uniform. It's a discussion forum not a party, we don't need an official line and ideological discipline.
>then I will come over to the side of the demonstrators.
I'm sure the Iranian workers arming themselves rn in the Arak Soviet are ecstatic to prove they're worthy of class struggle to some smelly incel on leftypol and only then will they overthrow the regime LMAO
Orientalist retard.
>>2645623Killing people "anti-imperially" (sic) is very based, actually.
>>2645637>OldBO ruined itYou heard it guys. Le Sabo, le effortposter, is saying oldbo ruined it. This is official line now.
>>2645637>OldBO ruined it Hopeless idiot
Gulag
>sabo gave a serious reply to shitposters
>>2645640I'm not expecting them to seek my approval. If there are genuine revolutionaries among these demonstrates then let them prove it for their own sake. If they are capable of taking a leading role and bringing about a more progressive government in Iran then let them succeed, for the sake of themselves, their country, and the global class struggle. When that success becomes apparent I will wholeheartedly endorse it. Until then I'm not going to take a position I think is incorrect based on the speculation that such people might exist and might be successful. In their absence these demonstrations are very unlikely to produce real improvements.
>>2645640>Iranian workers arming themselves rn in the Arak Sovietsource?
>>2645649Inshallah
Now stop dickriding the regime presenting it as outside the laws of history (state that is not class dictatorship) while screaming LE MOSSAD
>>2645651CPI (active there before you were born) said so on their official site
>>2645647He need to give a godanm rest to this site and go to somewhere better, tbh, or he actually enjoys using this clownshow of site.
>>2645604I highly doubt that the mossad/CIA glowops to install the shah will suceeds and it is likely once the ayatollah is deposed the iranians will start also hunting for glowies, i doubt there are zionists/collaborators seeking the returning backwards, so i support the protestors with some caution.
>>2645637Communism is not an "ideology" and communists do not and should not have "diverse opinions". There is the dialectical materialist outlook and there is everything else, and Che simply tried to enforce a dialectical materialist worldview when the board was being heavily infiltrated by reddit leftoids cheering on Glowjava and Bernie Sanders. A communist forum that does not adhere to demcent and a party line is not communist at all but just a collection of western leftoid utopians
>>2645643>>2645644Reminder that Sabotard is a Canadian veteran who joined his country's SS while it was committing genocide in the middle east and sees nothing wrong with it
Look guys, nobody wants a color revolution and a CIA/Mossad puppet regime, luckily the Islamic regime is AES which means that after the crisis, it will engage in reforms to improve the living conditions of the people, right? Right???
What about cyberbarbarian?
>>2645658>sabo is a canadianHoly shit!
There were many Marxists who participated in the overthrow of the old regime, but the IRI rounded up all the communists and executed them in the purges from 1982 to 1988 (with lists of targets for repression often provided by the CIA). It is undeniable that the revolution was driven in large part by the poor, especially the poor peasants, who to this day have a relatively precarious and primitive existence. My uncle was a freshly-educated doctor in Iran in the 1980s, one of the few who wasn't sent to the front. All doctors, when they graduate medical school, spend 2-5 years working for the government, providing medical care in rural areas. He said when he reached his first post, he was the only person there with shoes, and the only other literate person was the imam. These rural poor, after the revolution, received, as I have said, medical care, free education, and certain subsidies from the state to improve their condition.
But the revolution is first and foremost justified through religion, and the government leaders have shown that they will turn religion against the workers and peasants if they are not held to account. This can be seen in the government's repeated efforts, since 1989, to privatise the economy (often with the government officials themselves turning to loot the people). The main reason this has failed is because of the sanctions.
We should remember that in Mohammad Reza Shah's White Revolution many of these reforms were already present. It was in fact the monarchist government which established rural public services and land reform, nationalized forests and pastures, expanded public infrastructure, engaged in public-health campaigns against malaria and other endemic diseases, and sought closer ties with the USSR. I don't say this to try and whitewash the Shah's regime, only to try and show the lack of a working-class revolutionary nature in the Islamic government – much of what was achieved was a continuation of earlier trends, with the additional imposition of reactionary religious measures for which hundreds or thousands are executed every year.
In short: it had much popular support split along class lines early on, but was not ultimately a Marxist revolution, rather a reactionary coup which continued to make some concessions to the revolutionary classes. The large state-ownership is only present because it is a necessity to maintain political stability, and the leaders have consistently indicated that they wish to privatise the economy as it grows. Sadly, the main opposition forces are liberals/US shills, and there is not much of an above-ground proletarian movement. As a Marxist, I believe it is proper to support Iran's government against US imperialism, but in no other regard.
>>2645658>the orientalist retard is a disabled ex-blackshirt It all makes sense now
I wish xim a very unpleasant fireworks show
>>2645662Your sarcastic argument is still more probable than this being an actual socialist revolution
>>2645671Who is saying it is? Noone said that.
>>2645662Except people here clearly do either because they're on MOSSAD's payroll or because their western chauvinism makes them think that any woman who's not whoring herself out and covered in tattoos is "oppressed"
The communist option IS the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Ayatollah. Period.
>>2645654You'll notice I haven't exaggerated the merits of the Iranian government. It's a national bourgeois state, simple as that. As such it's preferable to a comprador government despite its many shortcomings such as its domestic anti-communism and general unreliability even against imperialism. This is still better than the most likely alternative of an actively pro-imperialist regime. It's a lesser evil, nothing more. Frankly I don't envy any Iranian revolutionary. Their situation seems pretty impossible to me and I don't know what the correct course of action is for revolutionary activity in their own country. What I do know however is that my own government has predatory designs on Iran, it is working towards bringing about a more reactionary government in that country. Therefore my first and most pressing obligation is to denounce these efforts. I don't know the solution to the dilemma before Iranian socialists, but I do know the tasks of communists abroad. As usual following Lenin is the correct course of action.
>>2645669Oh no, they killed some European Trotskyites. Boo hoo hoo. You're so right, Iran deserves to be destroyed and her people raped and exploited like Syria and Libya and Iraq because several decades ago some leftoid faggots FAFO'd. This is what passes for "communist" analysis on nu-leftypol
>>2645658He did a horrible job considering there is a general dedicated to cheering for slavic prole genocide and dengism being the board's quran
Exodus status?
>>2645658>who joined his country's SS while it was committing genocideThe Canadian army actually had no combat missions while I was in so idk what you're talking about.
>>2645689Mods permaban sabocat for doxxing himself
>>2645689>doesn't deny it had missions in the middle eastThey don't make em like they used to
>>2645658>A communist forum that does not adhere to demcent and a party line is not communist at all but just a collection of western leftoid utopiansKind if embarrassing for you to think that this place could ever be anything else than a useless collection of bickering randos. Imagine thinking that an image board needs a party line.
>>2645655they make no mention of workers arming themselves
they did not give any update since their original post 3 days ago
Arak is firmly pro-Khamenei you retar d
>>2645689The SS had support roles that didn't see combat either, what's your point?
>>2645694Even if they did (the only ones I ever heard of was UN peacekeeping stuff) I never went on any deployments so it's a moot point.
Has Iran collapsed yet
>>2645699In 3 more days once the Arak Soviet has finished arming itself
>>2645697The SS was the armed wing of a fascist party deeply involved in an industrialized extermination program in the middle of the bloodliest war in history. I was a reservist in a peacetime army. Do you really think these are equivalent?
>>2645677>because their western chauvinism makes them think that any woman who's not whoring herself out and covered in tattoos is "oppressed"Post chin
>>2645683>slavic prole genocideYou mean what Ukkkraine has been doing to the Russian people for more than a decade? Oh, you think a defensive war is genocide because you dont see the Russian people as human, I almost forgot.
>muh DengismMarxism Leninism, you mean. You're upset because there are Marxist Leninists here
>>2645698UN peacekeeping is a euphemism for prole massacring yet you repeat it uncritically like a good cuck
Just fly a jet to Iran and bomb workers already
>>2645701I check on this thread and ask the same question every 5 hours thanks anon I dont know what the Arak Soviet is
>>2645707Facebook Uncs in Italy made it up.
>>2645704
>Huh thats weird, rightoid and pro imperialists boards have devinately have a party line
Reddit maybe and it's a cesspool. Do you want this place to be like reddit?
>Could it be because they force they arguments you are spouting?
I've spent every Iran thread arguing against supporting the protestors.
>>2645702And the Canadian army is the armed wing of a fascist nation deeply involved in extermination programs in the middle east and beyond, all under the name of "peacekeeping". But ooooh nooo you didn't DIRECTLY kill anybody, you just gave material support to the ones who did. Just following orders!
>>2645707The Arak Soviet is the vanguard of the world revolution. The Arak Soviet is the glorious shining path to communism.
>>2645706>UN peacekeeping is a euphemism for prole massacringGood thing I didn't participate in any peacekeeping then.
>>2645712>extermination programs in the middle east What extermination programs would those be?
>>2645689Depending on when you served, you were definitely active during at least one of these operations:
1. The Canadian Air Force bombing Libya to overthrow Gaddafi
2. Canadian spec-ops teams deployed to Syria to help Americans steal oil from Assad and to train rebels
3. Canadian glowies and trainers deployed to Ukraine to train up Ukrainian fascists and propagandists (this was before Russia invaded btw)
4. Canadian troops deployed to Mali for the umpteenth time to protect a despised neoliberal government shitting on its ethnic minorities
5. The Canadian Navy deployed near the Taiwan Strait for "freedom of navigation" exercises to try to provoke China
6. Canadian troops deployed to Haiti to coup a succdem reformist
I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting but you really don't have your hands clean if you served in the Canadian military over the past 25 years.
Mods please ban these derailers
>>2645682I hope for what happened to those people happens to you too, legitimately. Cheering for killing protesters is bad already, but doing so for communists who you disagree is something else. Buy some rope in the nearest tool shop and tie it to the ceiling, you know the rest.
>>2645703The anti imperialism line now is to defend reactionary regimes by arguing that women just want to whore themselves out and do onlyfans. Totally revolutionary and not something you'd only expect from Dawah retards and other online brutes.
>>2645717Are you pretending to be retarded or do you genuinely have brain damage
>>2645722Trotskyites aren't communists
>>2645724They were the GOATs until 2011 after the Americans fled they became absolute sectarian cucks
>>2644990>2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD"Confirmed" by whom???
>>2645718A few of those things were going on while I was in, and I went around actively telling people in my unit that we shouldn't be involved with them and urging them not to volunteer for any such deployments, exposing the truth about them and doing anti-imperialist agitation. I actually got in trouble for it.
>Sabocat is literally a Nazi! He committed genocide under the fascist Maple! He was a reservist waiting for Hitler's reincarnation
<But he if could also show me how guns, like, work and has any tips about combat against a professional military a successful revolution must face.. that would be really helpful
>>2645729Is there any material on their pre-2011 activities?
>>2645734Funnily enough the Comintern actually issued a number of directives telling communists to do agitation and infiltration of capitalist militaries. But of course people here are more concerned with moral purity than effective organizing.
>>2645734>another disabled retard chims inCan't you beg for benefits somewhere else? Preferably the streets.
>>2645732Oh wow you told people war is bad all the while actively participating in it. How very brave of you! How noble! Everyone knows communism is something that comes into being by conversation! If you actually had a single anti-imperialist bone in your body you would have at minimum waited for your commanding officers to gather in one place and fragged them, yet you failed to kill even a single Nazi during your little SS volunteer work. Curious!
>>2645724Literally who?
Exodus status? Never.
>>2645745You didn't "infiltrate" the military, you joined them willingly as they were raping and murdering innocent people in the middle east and meekly sat by and occasionally told one of your fellow genocide buddies that you thought war was bad, but evidently not bad enough to actually do anything about it. Oops!
>>2645750>Oh wow you told people war is bad all the while actively participating in itBut I wasn't actively participating in it. All I ever did was training in buttfuck nowhere. I wasn't even acting in a support role.
>Everyone knows communism is something that comes into being by conversation!Yes, communism comes in to being through agitation and education. No wonder you have such absurd opinions since if you never actually go out and talk to people.
>CAIR Opposes Latest March to War with Iran for Israel’s Benefit, Says Iranian People Must Determine Their Future Without Internal Oppression or Foreign InterferenceThe Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation’s largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today expressed strong opposition to the latest demands by neoconservatives and other supporters of the Israeli government for the Trump administration to launch a regime change war against Iran under the false pretense of protecting protesters, who must be able to guide their future without foreign interference or internal oppression.
CAIR expressed support for the right of Iranians to peacefully protest, condemned attacks on peaceful protesters, and condemned violent attacks by rioters, including arson attacks on mosques and desecrations of the Quran.
CAIR also called for the Trump administration to reenter into negotiations with Iran to reach a lasting compromise regarding its civilian nuclear program and U.S. economic sanctions.
In a statement, CAIR said:
“The Iranian people must be able to determine their own future without internal oppression or foreign interference, including interference by the United States and the Israeli government. That’s why we strongly oppose demands for the United States to launch another illegal attack on Iran for Israel’s benefit, this time under the false pretense of protecting protesters.
“This latest march to war with Iran has nothing to do with protecting Iranian protesters and everything to do with toppling an adversary of the Israeli government. The neoconservatives and other supporters of the Israeli government pushing for a U.S. attack on Iran know that it would likely trigger an Iranian attack on U.S. bases in the region, which could lead to a full-blown regime change war that could throw the region into chaos, all for the benefit of the Israeli government.
“Our government lacks credibility to express support for freedom in Iran because of our ongoing support for dictators across the world, including in the Middle East, and our history of launching coups to overthrow democratically-elected governments, including Iran’s democratically-elected leader in the 1950s.
“If the Trump administration cares about the lives of protesters and other civilians, it would have held the Israeli government accountable for murdering an American citizen while she peacefully protested in the West Bank last year and it would stop funding the Israeli government as it slaughters the people of Gaza on a daily basis.”
“What we need in our world today is moral consistency in upholding international law.
“The United States should peacefully support the human rights of all people in the region, including the Palestinian people suffering under Israeli occupation and Arab populations living under unjust dictatorships run by U.S. allies.
“At the same time, the Iranian government should meet the Iranian people’s legitimate demands for change and support freedom instead of oppression for others in the region, including the Syrian people it helped oppress through its backing of the Assad regime.
CAIR also called on the Trump administration to reenter the negotiations with the Iranian government that ended when Israel attacked the country last summer, saying:
“Even though signatories to the nuclear non-proliferation treaty have the right to enrich uranium for civilian purposes, even though U.S. intelligence has confirmed that Iran was not and is not pursuing a nuclear weapon, and even though Israel maintains a real rogue nuclear weapons program that should face sanctions, a compromise could entail Iran voluntarily giving up its right to enrich the uranium for its civilian nuclear program for some long period of time in exchange for the Trump administration lifting the sanctions that have devastated Iran’s economy and harmed the Iranian people.
“The alternative to reasonable compromise between the United States and Iran–and moral consistency in upholding international law–is more death, destruction, oppression and instability, egged on by the Israeli government. Our nation and the world must not fall into this trap again.”
Before the 12-day U.S.-Israel war against Iran last summer, CAIR called on President Trump to avert an “unnecessary and disastrous” all-out U.S. war with Iran by dropping Israel’s “poison pill” zero enrichment demand meant to doom nuclear negotiations.
CAIR issued a statement warning President Trump that the Netanyahu government’s insistence that the U.S. adopt a “zero enrichment” demand in negotiations was meant to scuttle the talks and lead to war, which is exactly what happened.
CAIR also condemned Israel’s unilateral offensive strikes on Iran and called on the Trump administration to immediately halt all U.S. weapons transfers and military aid to the Netanyahu government.
https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-opposes-latest-march-to-war-with-iran-for-israels-benefit-says-iranian-people-must-determine-their-future-without-internal-oppression-or-foreign-interference/Update
>>2645753>You didn't "infiltrate" the military, you joined them willingly Yeah what do you think infiltrate means? What do you think agitation in the ranks entails?
>>2645637I remember spurdo anon saying something similar about allowing diversity of opinions.
reminder that the cpc didnt care if you worked with the kmt or not. They accepted all the help they could
>>2645739Look up the Islamic Army they're pretty much the same.
Mostly ex-army guys who are responsible for 90% of the American gore videos in early YouTube. They're Islamic in name but nationalist/secular in everything else, they fought Al-Qaeda despite being Sunnis because they learned they were CIA plants that hijacked the insurgency into civil war. They sent aid to the few Shia groups who were actually fighting in the south and expressed solidarity with regular Shias despite being anti iran, etc etc
They were basically the remnants of the national bourgeoisie that lost support when sunnis got absorbed into the new political order around 2007
>>2645766Also the Comintern literally encouraged communists to join capitalist militaries to receive military training and carry out agitation. In fact this was literally a prerequisite for a party to be a member of the Third International.
>[The] … struggle against the imperialist war is impossible without permanently organised and systematic work inside the armed forces of the capitalist countries, with the aim of winning the soldiers and sailors to our slogans and disorganizing and disintegrating the military system of the capitalist countries.https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/revhist/backiss/vol8/no2/comintern.html#n1 >>2645766Yup. People's liberation army's artillery corps were made up of japanese soldiers.
I made like 50 reports against pro-imperialist posts, combining the uWuZela and Iran threads and our mods removed: zero (0, null, nilch, nada).
t. ML
>>2645775leftypol really is a shitty site these days sabo. Dont take it seriously
>>2645774>>2645752>le classic "if you like communism/anti-imperialism so much why don't you move there" fascist memeCompletely OK with our mod team, btw
>>2645780Tbh what worried me most isn't people thinking I'm a holocaust perpetrator because I obviously know how absurd that is. It's that communists in 2026 are stupid enough to think that they can have any success without military infiltration and the recruitment of soldiers, veterans, and defectors.
>>2645779Same here. I get you
>>2645787>It's that communists in 2026 are stupid enough to think that they can have any success without military infiltration and the recruitment of soldiers, veterans, and defectors.well its the internet (imageboard), sabo. Hopefully real life communists arent like this
>>2645789How long till we officially declare that our mods support imperialism?
>>2645791I can safely say after being involved with a number of communist and fellow traveller orgs that I've never encountered anybody irl as shrill, intransigent, and hysterical as some people on this site.
>>2645795>I move in socially acceptable "anti-imperialist" circles<This coming from an ex-GILol
>>2645795such is imageboard culture sabo. When you introduce anonymity into a place, where people can get away with what they say, then it attracts weirdos. Lots of weirdos.
This place is filled with the rejects of society
>>2645783Ironic coming fron the "real communism can't happen"
>>2645798>I move in socially acceptable "anti-imperialist" circlesI move in circles openly identified as Marxist-Leninist actually.
>>2645798I don't even fully agree with sabo poster but you're suffering from terminal left Twitter brainrot.
>>2645752Why don't you go live in "liberated" Libya, Syria, Ukraine?
Should I another thread as place holder? Cuz I'll be going
>>2645783it's ok for the leftcoms to be openly racist somehow
>>2645811your glowie cartoon is creepy
stop posting this shit
>>2645766yeah, Mao was a literal Cao Cao
>>2645811SHUT THE FUCK UP PENNY POSTER. YOU ARE THE WORST POSTER IN THIS SITE. EVERY SECOND IM REMINDED OF YOUR EXISTANCE IS HELL ON EARTH. IF I COULD SOMEHOW STRANGLE YOUR LIFE AWAY, I WOULD.
/jk i love you
>>2645809>>2645783There is nothing racist about calling out westerners for not being able to live without their labor aristocracy
t. CEO of third world
>>2645811You should ask for better pay from your CIA/Mossad employers
>>2645803>I move in circles openly identified as Marxist-Leninist actually.be honest, are they kruschevite occupied circles?
>Trump feels obligated to take action on Iran as administration weighs risks of retaliation - CNNPresident Donald Trump, facing a red line of his own making in Iran, increasingly believes he must take decisive action against the regime amid a violent and deadly crackdown on protesters, according to officials familiar with the matter.
Top Trump administration officials met Tuesday to further refine a set of options for the president. Trump, who joined the two-hour-plus meeting after landing back in Washington from a trip to Michigan, was also briefed on the latest death toll figures in Iran and US expectations for how the regime’s brutal crackdown might proceed, including the prospect of executions. He was shown video from the ground in Iran as part of the briefing, a person familiar with the meeting said.
In recent days, the president’s national security team has been split on whether to move forward with a kinetic strike, a source familiar with the discussions said. US officials insisted any such military move would not include boots on the ground and said the administration does not want protracted military involvement in Iran.
One option before the president is a strike on facilities related to Iran’s security services, which have been responsible for the crackdown on protesters, according to people familiar with the matter.
As they deliberate and weigh options, officials have worked to assess the various risks involved with each, including the possibility of an air strike mission going awry or prompting an outsized Iranian response. Officials also hope to avoid any broad destabilization in the region should Iran’s regime collapse.
Trump has repeatedly been threatening military action against the Iranian government for using deadly force against protesters, and he now feels obligated to follow through, according to officials. He is mindful of previous presidents who he believes failed to enforce red lines. Those include former President Barack Obama, who decided not to strike in Syria after its use of chemical weapons in 2013.
“Part of it is that he has now set a red line, and he feels he needs to do something,” a source familiar with the talks told CNN, adding that the president is almost certainly going to act. The question that remains, they added, is what type of action he ultimately lands on.
A key calculation in the decision-making process is whether the benefits of military action outweigh potential retaliation from Tehran, which has insisted it will target American assets in the Middle East if the US strikes.
Recent US intelligence reports indicate Iran is preparing options to target American bases in the Middle East, including those in Iraq and Syria, if Trump carries out military strikes, according to a US official and another source familiar with the matter.
There are also indications that the Iranian regime was surprised by the size of the protests and is currently trying to balance controlling the protesters with not giving foreign governments a reason to intervene — in part by restricting funerals for those who have been killed and cutting off internet access inside the country, the US official added.
Trump shrugged off concerns about retaliation on Tuesday, telling reporters: “Iran said that the last time I blew them up with the nuclear capability, which they don’t have any longer … They better behave.”
Still, some personnel at the United States’ largest military base in the Middle East have been urged to leave, a US official told CNN on Wednesday, as Trump weighs action. The official described the directive to some personnel to leave Al-Udeid Air Base in Qatar as a “precaution” given current tensions in the region.
The base was targeted by Iran in June after the US struck its nuclear facilities. Now, as Trump again mulls potential strikes on Iran, the base — which is home to around 10,000 American troops — could become a target once again.
Trump said late Tuesday afternoon, ahead of meeting with his national security officials, he had a good idea of what action he might take.
“I know exactly what it would be. We have to make a decision, but I can’t be, obviously, I can’t be telling you,” he told reporters upon his return from Michigan, where he toured a Ford factory and addressed the Detroit Economic Club.
Trump has been receiving updated lists of options for action in Iran since last week. Officials insisted that key principals in meetings on Iran, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President JD Vance, have been careful not to pressure Trump into making a certain decision. They instead have finalized a series of potential options, as well as the pros and cons of each, for the president to consider.
Trump also continues to mull other options that stop short of firing a missile into Iran, like a cyberattack or new sanctions.
He has also pressed Elon Musk, his onetime government efficiency guru who owns the satellite internet service Starlink, to bolster connectivity in the country amid the regime’s information blackout. Starlink is now providing free internet access to users in Iran, according to a tech expert in touch with Iranian Starlink users.
“Iran is on my mind, when I see the kind of death that is happening over there,” Trump told reporters at Joint Base Andrews as he was preparing to go to the meeting at the White House.
Cabinet-level national security officials were seen arriving as the sessions, known as a “principals” meeting of the National Security Council, got underway Tuesday afternoon. The officials included Vance, Rubio, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Dan Caine and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard.
In recent days, the president had suggested there may be a diplomatic opening with Tehran. But he abruptly reversed course Tuesday morning, saying he was calling off any meetings with regime figures until the crackdown on protests ends.
Some of Trump’s advisers had warned that conciliatory messages from Iran’s foreign minister received by Trump’s foreign envoy Steve Witkoff were simply an attempt to stave off an attack.
Inside the national security meetings in recent days, several officials have argued that diplomacy is a futile exercise when it comes to Iran, the officials said. Throughout his first six months in office, Trump tried unsuccessfully to negotiate a new nuclear deal with Iran before eventually ordering US military strikes on its nuclear facilities over the summer.
There’s also a belief inside the administration that no one has the authority to speak on behalf of the Ayatollah, who is the actual decision maker, making diplomacy a more difficult feat, the officials said.
Meanwhile, three US-allied Gulf Arab nations — Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Oman — have launched behind-the-scenes diplomatic efforts to prevent US military action on Iran, concerned it could have wide-ranging consequences for the Middle East, a regional official with knowledge of the matter told CNN.
“Any military escalation will have consequences for the wider region, including its security and economy,” the official said.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/14/politics/trump-iran-action-retaliation >>2645818>Glowies switch from spamming the word "proletariat" to "imperialism"Comical
Little advice, officer; senselessly repeating marxist jargon doesn't make you sound more convincing.
At any rate, returning to the topic at hand, shit like the CAIR statement here
>>2645759 is infinitely more relevant and useful than the sort of discussions happening here. Directing all your efforts against Western meddling is still the most pressing task even if you support the protestors. In fact it's arguably more pressing because if you believe that this is a genuine revolutionary moment, nothing will spoil that potential faster than Western intervention.
>>2645820Pretty cringe to unironically be on the hunt for "Khruschevites" in 2026. Khrsuchev and Stalin are dead. The USSR is gone. How about you worry about real pressing issues instead of participating in 70 year old debates from a country that doesn't even exist anymore?
>>2645805No thanks. I lived in Venezuela long enough to hate people online, including this place, who still lick clean the boot of the Armed Forces that killedcand disappeared protesters during the 2014-2016 guarimbas, even if they were just liberal students; and who also called anyone dissenting with this patently retarded glorification of state violence 'gusanos'.
I live happily in another South American country now.
>>2645829>I live happily in another South American country now.gusano detected
>>2645829>lived in Venezuela Sure, Gusano, and I am Karl Marx. Show proof or fuck off
and kill yourself!
>>2645830you live in amerikkka
>>2645826>The USSR is gone.Yes and the opportunistic tendencies that lead to that are still an issue.
Special Envoy Steve Witkoff
Today, on behalf of President Trump, we are announcing the launch of Phase Two of the President’s 20-Point Plan to End the Gaza Conflict, moving from ceasefire to demilitarization, technocratic governance, and reconstruction.
Phase Two establishes a transitional technocratic Palestinian administration in Gaza, the National Committee for the Administration of Gaza (NCAG), and begins the full demilitarization and reconstruction of Gaza, primarily the disarmament of all unauthorized personnel. The US expects Hamas to comply fully with its obligations, including the immediate return of the final deceased hostage. Failure to do so will bring serious consequences.
Importantly, Phase One delivered historic humanitarian aid, maintained the ceasefire, returned all living hostages and the remains of twenty-seven of the twenty-eight deceased hostages. We are deeply grateful to Egypt, Turkey, and Qatar for their indispensable mediation efforts that made all progress to date possible.
https://xcancel.com/SEPeaceMissionsUpdate
>>2645837
the self hatred is kinda pathetic TBH. Get well soon
New thread created since this is about to reach limit and I know you can't cook for shit
Don't post there unless this reaches limit, or do I don't care.
>>2645822dumb orange cow was still high on venezula and spoke without thinking now he has to attack iran in a hastily arranged operation to save face
>>2645845Next time make a new OP that's more neutral. We're not even sure if the total figure of dead cited there is even correct.
>>2645832Here you go fag.
>>2645844self hatred: disagreeing and aptly calling out retards online.
What's self love to you? Praising the dictatorship that kills and jails students and who extorts you for having memes mocking Maduro or Chavez?
>>2645861do you agree with the kidnapping of Comrade Maduro?
>>2645866do it
>>2645860 iranian solidarnosc
>>2645860AFAIK the Iranian government has not given any actual numbers, the 2000 dead figure is supposedly from reuters citing anonymous sources and people like Mohammad Marandi have rebuked it. All figures right now are coming from western aligned NGOs so you should be careful.
>>2645861well yeah imperialism-collaborating gusanos are meant to be stepped on. Thems the breaks. Try reading some marx or lenin so this self hatred can be reversed
>>2645869Too bad those NGOs got names list.
How about you tell the cucktollah to stop murdering workers if the figure is bothering you so much?
>>2645861>no timestampok glowie
>>2645867I don't because now we're just going to be an American vassal under more humiliating conditions than the rest of Latam, but I won't cry about him being in jail. He can rot there for all I care. The PSUV was itching to be able to trade with the US regardless.
>>2645871Let me just cheer for students from my alma mater being jailed or left with one eye missing because I need to perform 'self love' to some American retard on /leftypol/ in the name of anti-imperialism. You uyghurs are a dredge to communism actually gaining any traction.
>>2645861>No timestampTry again, bitch
>>2645860Again, you claim "2,559 CONFIRMED DEAD". Where is your proof!? Just because it's a lower number than the comical 12 thousand gorillion, doesn't make it more believable. Post proof or fuck off
and kill yourself!
The protests come from a place of real frustration imo, but israel and america are definitely playing a role in stoking the flames and hope to get a puppet regime installed. So called "communists" posting without this in mind are saboteurs and shitposters
>>2645883
The pedophiles are the ones talking about the underage girl in the pic
>>2645872I'm just telling you to be careful with these death figures. Also at least one of these NGOs is based in Virginia and we're not even sure how reliable these name lists are.
New OP should be more neutral and accommodate both sides of this debate.
>>2645777>>2645768Thanks for this, but I'm especially curious if there are any texts (articles or books) on this topic of Iraqi resistance?
>>2645875>Let me just cheer for students from my alma mater being jailed or left with one eye missingthat would be great, you shouldn't have cared what happens to your fellow gusano imperialist collaborators in the first place. the role these people play have always been the middlemen for financial capitalists and their interests abroad
>>2645882I agree. There's no way the protests are Mossad controlled but we cant pretend Mossad has no potential role when we KNOW that Mossad has operatives in Iran, something we've known since June of last year
OP why make a new thread so early?
>>2645829go back your shithole you stupid kkkrakkker libshit gringo
>>2645907Because he's a glowie who wants to make sure his pro-imperialism framing is seen as the leftypol's supposed consensus
>>2645864always thought he looked similar to peter thiel
>>2645904>We announced this evening on Channel 14's main edition: Foreign elements are arming the protesters in Iran with firearms, and this is the reason for the hundreds of deaths among the regime's members. Anyone can guess who this isWow very authentic and genuine protests
>>2645893I heard Stephen C Pelletiere book on the topic is decent though it doesn't cover the entire thing. Didn't read it
Shock Doctrine has good sections on the insurgency, I read it it's good.
For more technical stuff there is "It takes more than network" which I skimmed it's meh because it doesn't deal with economic and political reality of the movement.
>>2645894You could produce better bait, you know?
bvmp
>>2645933what latam country did you flee to
>>2645829t. Venezuelan gusano living in Chile
Fuck you
Posting in the good thread
>>2645885He is going to be joining the cheers of some in this thread when the US bombs Iran
This is an inter class war
>>2645984posters here are telling us that soviets are popping up everywhere in iran and even taking up arms.
>>2645988As if “soviets” can’t be set up by foreign intelligence
real thread hours
>>2645984I thought your mom was spontaneously horny i but it turned out to be a mossad plot to get me to fuck her im sorry
>>2645881>make up a number, people don't believe it>make up a bigger number and claim it proves the first number you made up must be conservative.empire simps really be like
I wished the cucktollah didn't kill thousands of workers while admitting to killing those thousands to the media because I believed in proletarian solidarity
Now I wished he didn't to shut radlibs who are mad about the number not the bodies it represents
>>2646032This is a low estimate. Reliable source say it is 850,000
>>2645988You best believe in the Arak Soviet, because the Arak Soviet believes in you
>>2646032The blood spilled is confirmed over 50000. This is a low grade civil war at the moment
>>2646038Drinking Arak at the Soviet is a breech of discipline
>>2646036That's actually the number of Iranian jihadis fallen to defend Palestine
>>2646032Those "government officials" were anonymous sources cited in Western outlet. The Iranian government has released no figures for the death toll.
>>2645984Damn even one of the most vocal anti-campist posters on here sees this for what it is. Demonstration supporters in shambles.
I think the Iranian regime did not kill enough protesters. My bloodlust will be satiated when IRGC will storm the streets of pissraeli cities and shoot anyone on sight (iof style).
>>2646040That's the number of Iranian jihadis fallen under the command of comrade bush
Easy to get mixed
Iran killing protesters is a good thing for Iran because there will be less useless eaters and none of them will be running away to americuntia since they are dead. If only Fidel did the same we would not have the gusano lobby.
>>2645928>Stephen C PelletierYou sure this is the guy? He wrote a book about the Iran-Iraq war but not Iraq war 2003
>protesters are mossad kill them all NOW!111
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY DIDN'T KILL THOUSANDS ONLY 5 LIGHTLY INJURED BY THE PEOPLE'S POLICE
Really?
>>2646056Watch this to understand the situation. Stand back, put Iranian voices in California ahead CHUD
>>2646051 >>2646053"Losing Iraq: Insurgency and Politics"
>>2646056Almost like that is two different anons
>>2646036>>2646043an anonymous iranian official that definitely exists told me the correct number. It is 8,973.
>>2646045>>2646050burning clinics and mosques and fire engines and murdering medics and beheading police officers isn't protesting. It's crime and insurrection, for which any government will jail or kill you.
>>2646069That's the number of those who ran a train on your mom
>>2646064I like the post below you is the same retard claiming they deserve death and government didn't kill any
>>2646043even the gay nazi poster who has a crush on Jolani sees this for what it is
>>2646069>an anonymous iranian official that definitely exists told me the correct number. It is 8,973.This was before the radio free liberty that irgc members drove 50 tanks into a protest and killed 3000 more.
>>2646095>my liberal friends are also liberals More news at 6
>>2646095This is not a winning point. He also hates malema in South Africa. He disregards all the atrocities sharaa does and mocks you if you mention his al qaeda ties and is
>IRGC: We killed 3000 mossad agents lol
>their metaphysical supporter: THAT'S DAAAAAA MOSSSSAAAAAD NUMBERS
Mind broken by BMC
Islamists lost.
Who help the people's police enforce IMF policies in Tehran, Baghdad and Beirut if the ACKsis falls?
>>2646129If Iran was really that compliant with the IMF the US wouldn't be trying to overthrow them.
That "manifesto of the workers' councils of Arak" reeks of bullshit. Just Chinese telephone amongst jobless retards online.
https://xcancel.com/grupobarbaria/status/2010310085285999005#mISRAEL IS EVACUATING NEVATIM AIRBASE
GERMANY CANCEL ALL FLIGHTS TO ISRAEL THIS NIGHT AND TOMORROW
HAPPENING IS REAL
>>2646139>capitalists are supposed to coexist peacefully!!Said like a true Kautskyite
Bvmp
My Iranian boomer landlord who stays in contact with family over there somehow has told me all these happenings are 90% bullshit. There has been SOME violence, but certainly not thousands dead or anything like that and that the Western propaganda machine with its "civil rights watchdog" groups are trying to create pretense.
>>2646032Keep in mind that according to Mohammad Marandi this supposed official Iranian death toll is false, he says that Iran has not produced an actual figure for total deaths. See
>>2645869 >>2646164You just contradicted yourself
>>2646101IRGC never said 3000 dead. Where is your source
>>2646230His source is NYT, unironically
>>2645550Rape many kids today Shlomo?
>>2646051Jfl “four 9/11s”
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