/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

ok, but

true and she misunderstood imperialism (grossman debunks her)

nobody pisses on the graves of communists more than communists

>>2652800
>i will glaze a mid communist to death and if you disagree it means you piss on her grave
You sentimentalist assholes always purposefully conflate martyrdom and actual theoretical and practical positions

True, but she was still above any of her peers in Germany.

Not saying much, however.

Also she eventually came to accept Lenins positions, and did martyr herself even when she could have fled. That is still noble. She was also not 'that' much naive esp. in her last final moments, but was drawn by the insurrection after shooting in berlin even through she knew it was doomed.

>>2652779
But the USSR no longer exists showing Lenin was not right on everything. His biggest mistakes were on their nationalist policy, especially Ukraine, followed by his ban on factionalism.
>>2652817
> did martyr herself even when she could have fled.
>drawn by the insurrection after shooting in berlin even through she knew it was doomed.
Fucking religious bullshit. You don't become some saint, you are just dead. She should have strategically retreated to possibly fight another day.

>>2652820
Not disagreeing, but even that makes her better than nearly every other SPD member

>>2652820
Yeah, the USSR collapsed after 70 years.
The German Socialist Revolution did not even succeed for a few weeks. Big difference.
Using the collapse of the USSR as a gotcha is kinda weird because by that logic we should stan Zionism.

>>2652787
>tfw no femdom rosa luxembourg gf
why even live

I dont give a fuck that she was wrong on certain issues (bit too idealist, imho), she was right on more than enough issues. Theory isn't what makes her such an important figure anyways and it's not why the bourgeoisie hated her so much that they eventually ordered the succdems to assassinate her. Rosa and Karl carried the revolutionary worker's movement, communism and socialism within what is now the DACH region pretty much alone after bourgeois liberals took over the SPD in 1914, saved it by founding the Spartakusbund and KPD and they lead the revolution in 1918 which briefly established socialist republics in Berlin and Munich before heinously getting backstabbed by succdems. Without her there would be no KPD, no RFB, no USPD, no SED, no DKP, no MLPD, no SGP et al., and, most importantly, no DDR as all the founding fathers of the DDR were KPD members.
Bourgeois libshits, leftcoms, succdems and the like like to stir conflict among communists over her legacy by claiming that she was opposed to Lenin, Stalin and the USSR but that's a blatant lie. There were some disagreements but overall she supported Lenin and the USSR in a quite radical manner.

>>2652824
>Big difference.
It just means she couldn't pull off a revolution and establish a state while Lenin could. However, Lenin being a great one of kind statesman doesn't mean he was right about other theoretical issues.
>Using the collapse of the USSR as a gotcha is kinda weird because by that logic we should stan Zionism.
Zionism is a nationalist project hellbent on building a single state while the USSR dissolved because of competing internal nationalisms. So there is a direct connection between them that shows why one lasted and the other didn't.

>>2652820
Lenin's fudemental shortcoming was his weakness on problem of dealing with bureaucracy where he wrote just 'educate workers' into being bureaucrats to resolve the problem ignoring fact that such elevation would just lead to them having own interests. Despite later toying of Stalin and co. around with various ideas, it ultimately wrecked USSR as this class grew alien, althrough bureaucracy was quite overrated in list of problems compared to many other factors in fall of USSR, both structural and more random.

You witness conflict between nocklumentra class in Hungary Bulgaria DDR and China very explicitly where formerly radical workers are clashing over bureaucratic control, which is quite bad and testament to shortcoming of just administrative methods to build socialism. A kind of producer-technocratic democracy&whole process democracy was necessary on a more serious way.

USSR missed technical-revolution, its system of economic planning rewarded bad behaviors, it spent half of industrial output on military, military&security interests control budget(andrponov puts 80 percent on war against china), its own leaders go to west and prefer there&want their approval, their failed 'allies' as derg are spending almost entire budget in self-mutiliation and war, they start off from inferior technology, unproductive agr. sector due to too much unnecessary laborers(as with experimental efforts show sov. agri. couldh have been better ran), failure to renovate capital stock in right cycles despite efforts, low funding for medicine causing stagnation in life exp. in brezhnevian era, party-state which increasingly became nihilistic and lost revolutionary belief, added with gorbachevs genius plans of creating dual economy which crashed the system etc.



If Lenin and Rosa won by Lenins proposal for earlier peace actually winning out and Rosas desire for electoral path meeting success with hyperinflation discrediting SPD and Kapp Putsch, German-Soviet Int. would resolve 99 percent of problems and lead to worldwide communism with more sensible planning and technocratic-proletarian planning appratus than OTL.

>>2652787
holy fucking shit, lmao

>>2652851
>Lenin's fudemental shortcoming was his weakness on problem of dealing with bureaucracy
Sure they could have done better with making the upper bureaucracy more accountable but it's not like they were invincible and never replaced.
>USSR missed technical-revolution, its system of economic planning rewarded bad behaviors, it spent half of industrial output on military,
Yes these were all issues that contributed but they were surmountable and reversible. The reason I singled out the ban on Factionalism, which Lenin was directly responsible for, was because when CPSU had a controversial issue and they decided something then everyone opposed to the solution settled on was supposed to pretend it was no longer an issue. So no matter how necessary an issue needed to be readdressed the ban on factions means they could reopen discussion and had to dance around it.
>German-Soviet Int. would resolve 99 percent of problems and lead to worldwide communism
Yeah. Another possible solution was Mao just calming down, actively pressuring USSR to kick out Khrushchev and push-back on his polices instead of doing the Sino-Soviet Split and backing the USA against the Soviets.

>>2652817
Christian martyr worship needs to stop. Atheist winner worship needs to start.