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> Collective land ownership through state-assigned kleroi (allotments) worked by helots.
> Mandatory communal meals (syssitia) for all citizens, funded by individual contributions.
> State-enforced austerity and discouragement of private wealth and luxury.
> Public upbringing (agoge) for all male citizens from age 7, minimizing family unit primacy.
> Citizens referred to as "peers" or "equals" (homoioi), ideologically downplaying class distinction.
> State-controlled education and lifestyle, subordinating individual choice to collective needs.
> Iron currency to discourage trade and accumulation of private portable wealth.
> Military service as the primary citizen vocation, not private farming or trade.
> Redistribution of land
> Theoretical common ownership of helots (state slaves) as a productive resource.
> Strong social pressure toward conformity and equality in daily life among citizens.
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< System based on a hereditary elite (Spartiates) dominating a enslaved majority (helots).
< Wealth disparities existed and grew among Spartiates despite official austerity.
< Helot system was chattel slavery
< Individual families still held significant social and hereditary importance.
Most of the "against" facts typical of the average state bureaucracy, including the Soviet nomenklatura. Engels, even noted Spartan women's remarkable autonomy and public role compared to 'democratic' Athenians.
Was Sparta uniquely the closest to protocommunism in ancient Greece?
Where would gay-pedophilia-sex be placed ?
>>2653042>>2653064https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_pederastyThe Spartans condemned pederasty and they valued manhood. Calling someone a homosexual 3000 years ago is the same a lot of people call someone now, it's a way to demasculine a man and call them weak. Also Aristotle blamed the lack of Homosexuality in Sparta on Spartan women.
why cant this site be normal
No they weren’t you fucking retard
>>2653087prrrrrof?????????????????
>>2653094wHo wUzZZzz CLosr Then?
Mogged by Romvns
>Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte (1852) "the Roman proletariat lived at the expense of society, while modern society lives at the expense of the proletariat
>>2653075>Aristotle blamed the lack of Homosexuality in Sparta on Spartan women.Did Spartan women have the secret degayifying juice?
https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-part-i-spartan-school/this guy debunks many of the positive myths about sparta
including the ones about communal poverty
it was thebes
>>2653075Were they masc4masc?
>Most of the "against" facts typical of the average state bureaucracy, including the Soviet nomenklatura.
Not unless you believe the most outlandish liberal propaganda about the USSR. Sparta was a brutal and rigid class society in which a tiny minority violently terrorized and exploited the vast majority of the population, who were somewhere between slaves and serfs. The final test to graduate from the agoge and become a Spartan citizen was to murder a random helot. They literally hunted their exploited class for sport. It was not socialist by any absurd stretch of the imagination. If you want to insist on there being an ancient Greek state that was "closest" to proto-communism (which is a nonsensical statement since they were all slave societies) it would probably be Athens by virtue of higher social mobility. Moreover if you actually adhere to historical materialism, a mercantile society is closer to socialism in terms of developing the social basis for it.
>>2653075Athenian pederasty was an elite practice, it wasn't practiced by the common mass of Athenians tmk. Meanwhile, Spartan men almost certainly were homosexuals seeing as they were confined to male only agoges and ate in a common and didn't marry off into a household until their late 20s or sth.
>>2653913>Spartan men almost certainly were homosexuals seeing as they were confined to male only agoges and ate in a common and didn't marry off into a household until their late 20s or sthWasn't that only the elite too? Like, citizens and not slaves, which were the majority