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🧠 Autism General 🧠
A thread for the most Autistic of Leftists such as myself to discuss politics related to Autism.
I don't know if this should be in Siberia or not but I guess mods could move it if it does
158 posts and 31 image replies omitted.

>>2659160
Good autism symbol is just whatever niche thing you're into. Trains are a good generalized one.

>>2659212
How does that work for actually autistic people, not sad pathetic Larpers ?

>>2659220
a soiled diaper, then

>>2659089
Hey comrade, show the fucking poof autists are being euthanized en masse in Belgium and the Netherlands.

>>2659160
Then don't use it.

What do we think?

>>2659309
ALL MY UYGHAS TANKIES UYGHA SLAVA STALIN

>>2659220
Only allistics care about "larpers," because the idea that someone would pretend to be autistic without just being unaware they're legitimately autistic is absurd if you think about it for more than 30 seconds.

>>2659220
>>2659330
You would have to be autistic to be capable of having such a complicated desire in the first place.

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>>2656419
>AUTISM FROM THE SECOND PERSON PERSPECTIVE
<I argue that there are two problematic presuppositions of the conceptualization of autism as a defcit: a neurotypical norm as the natural way social interactions happen (a way that the autist fails to comply with) and a biological dysfunction that causes this failure (which has not been found).
>According to these two issues, I propose that autism should not be conceptualized, as it is on the DSM, as a mental disorder of social observation, but instead would be better understood as an alternative cognitive style of social interaction.
<If we accept that autism is a cognitive style and not a deficit, and accept SPP as a basic mechanism of belief attribution, and we add our earlier point about how autistic people can understand one another more seamlessly than an autistic and a neurotypical person can understand each other, then we can say that it is not the case that autistic people are incapable of using theory of mind, but that they are prepared to understand a diferent set of gestures, expressions, and avowal expressions than the neurotypical, and therefore there’s not a failure on the part of the autistic individual in a social interaction, but a mismatch of social expectations on the part of both.
>From this point I proposed that therapeutic interventions in patients with ASD should follow an externalist path, building cognitive scafolding and facilitating the creation of afordances that allow people with ASD to succeed in the social world, not because they change, but because the world around them accommodates them.

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Kants criticism of pure reason was a pre criticism of the DSM 5 in the fact of the bizarre categorization and priori based on imaginations like we are supposed to accept this as science

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Leftypol is a assburgers containment zone

>>2659546
foucault is a better theorist on the disciplining of the mind by the advent of prisons and clinics, which force you to conform. today, anti-conformity can even be its own conformity, as zizek highlights in his notion of the superego; this is also what deleuze describes as a "control society", as opposed to a disciplinary society.

>>2659555
oh no anon ur doing a heckin' postmodernism! read losurdo and rockhill, u glowfaggot amirite

>>2659546
>>2659555
>uhhhh what if we fight faulty science with ideology
no thanks, anti-psychiatry, as in, criticism of psychiatry, has plenty of actual science, no need for philosophical retardation šŸ‘

>>2659154
>invented leftism
for starters they didnt "invent communism" (very charitably assuming this is what you meant by "leftism") and communism isnt confined to the left-right dichotomy of bourgeois politics you dumbass pseud

>>2659596
thinking that foucault does "philosophy" and not historiography proves your ignorance. the idea of "mental illness" comes out of control systems - like how homosexuality was considered a mental illness not too long ago.

>>2659600
cool, except foucault's history has been demonstrated flawed as fuck long ago lmao

>>2659625
what? foucault doesnt invent his history, he sees how history develops into various forms of control systems, particular based on regulating our affections toward otherness, which is designated as forbidden. its basic fact. civilisation operates by disciplining our desires to certain productive ends. freud concirs. there is also a certain class element, where the rich are allowed to be uncivilised, such as we see with trump and epstein.

>>2659625
>>2659637
Could either of you link to some articles, I wanna follow along your conversation without having to rummage through a search engine.

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>>2659646
as we may read from the preface of madness and civilisation (1961), foucault designates an historical relationship between reason and madness, which begins its proper distinction in the medieval era, up to modernity. he highlights that the antique ὕβρις (hubris) featured as a motif, but as yet was only countered by reason, not by medicine.

in the first chapter, he notes the establishment of "lazar houses" (medieval hospitals) which primarily treated lepers, forming "leper colonies" as a segregated mass (it should be remembered that Jesus interacted with lepers, to include the sick). as foucault writes - in time, leprosy was gone, but the architecture of "treatment" remained:
<Often, in these same places, the formulas of exclusion would be repeated, strangely similar two or three centuries later. Poor vagabonds, criminals, and "deranged minds" would take the part played by the leper, and we shall see what salvation was expected from this exclusion, for them and for those who excluded them as well.
these criteria of exclusion becomes formalised as right of separation by the advent of "mental illness" as foucault further states, highlighting the "general hospital" (1656) as part of this architecture, which routinely targeted the poor, such as beggars (this great "confinement" of the poor he notes, in its military ambitions to enslave populations). marx also discusses this in part (capital vol. 1, ch. 28) where the dispossessed where institutionalised as criminals, disciplined by vagabond acts and factory work. thus, the primary exclusion of the sick extends to the poor as disciplinary action in a class society. psychiatry and american chattle slavery emerge around the same time, proving its capitalist essence, as a means to "other" and subject them to "correction" (e.g. conformity to wage labour). as yet, foucault sees how renaissance romance frames a "forbidden" wisom in madness, stained by oblivion (this theme continues today, archetypally). indeed, the sage is mad, like the shaman. Jesus was mad, which is why he was killed.

in the second chapter, he sees how the prior "praise of folly" (1509) is outmoded for systematic "confinement" by the generalisation of medicine in its task to exclude, silence and regulate the other. the general hospital in itself begins as semi-judiciary; as a court with solemn judgement:
<In its functioning, or in its purpose, the Hopital General had nothing to do with any medical concept. It was an instance of order, of the monarchical and bourgeois order being organized in France during this period.
these institutions spread all over france. foucault also discusses england:
<In England the origins of confinement are more remote. An act of 1575 covering both "the punishment of vagabonds and the relief of the poor" prescribed the construction of houses of correction, to number at least one per county.
the same as what marx describes. these houses of "correction" spread all across europe, as "the great confinement" spread:
<We must not forget that a few years after its foundation, the Hopital General of Paris alone contained six thousand persons, or around one per cent of the population.
these are similar numbers to the private prison system of the USA today, which has the largest prison population in the world. foucault further speaks on primitive accumulation:
<In 1532, the Parlement of Paris decided to arrest beggars and force them to work in the sewers of the city, chained in pairs.
thus, the punishment for crime was work.
as foucault comments from this chapter:
<Between labor and idleness in the classical world ran a line of demarcation that replaced the exclusion of leprosy. The asylum was substituted for the lazar house, in the geography of haunted places as in the landscape of the moral universe. The old rites of excommunication were revived, but in the world of production and commerce.
thus, the confined bear resemblance to the slave, in his manner of "ennoblement"…

so this is a basic introduction to foucault.
hopefully you find curiosity in the content.

>>2659646
here is another curiosity:
<Penal treadmills were used inĀ prisonsĀ during the 19th century in Britain, India, and the United States.Ā In earlyĀ Victorian eraĀ Britain the treadmill was used as a method of exerting hard labour, a form of punishment prescribed in the prisoner's sentence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_treadmill
this original penal discipline is now the "hobby" of the wage slave, conditioned to his house of torture (e.g. gymnasium) to become more "efficient".

>>2659309
He’s not autistic but schizo

I just wish autistic people could articulate what they want instead of throwing hissy fits over everything they don’t want.


Most people would be shocked to know how much conformity there is deep down. The thoughts promulgated by culture run on our heads, and produce predictable results. And there's a reason that so many schizophrenics for example have persecutory delusions framed in the context of the dominant system of thought in their culture - attempt to match experience to ideas which don't quite match. A rather old structuralist argument, but there wouldn't even be much of an individual at all once you've taken these things away. It may very well be that a science of madness will one day turn into a science of ideas, and making of systems of thought that can run productively on divergent minds, and convincing others - even the mad. Would these just pose as new hegemonic ideas?

It's interesting to note that the first anti-psychotic what would go onto clear out the asylums was designed as an anesthetic, and dubbed a "pharmacological lobotomy." So as one might have expected the roots of the modern treatment have the same roots in the history. I wonder if at some point things might have qualitatively changed however. If the goal is to make productive members of society, in the economic sense, then it may be that they've not yet succeeded, whereas if it's just to reduce suffering perhaps there has been some success. When I think about someone who went from reading books and writing to not (of course maybe this is flipped), and thinking that every word is bodily, or freaking out when things change, or something like this, I think their might be room for improvement in ideas - at the minimum.

>>2659552
Don't you mean AN assburgers containment zone

>>2659315
UYGHA SLAVA STALIN
UYGHA SLAVA STALIN
ALL MY UYGHAS TANKIES
UYGHA SLAVA STALIN

>antipsychiatry
>look inside
>just alternative psychiatry

>>2656746
can someone respond I actually want a diagnosis

>>2661959
uygha go to a professional

>>2660023
>It may very well be that a science of madness will one day turn into a science of ideas, and making of systems of thought that can run productively on divergent minds, and convincing others - even the mad. Would these just pose as new hegemonic ideas?
This is what everybody is talking about. Cybernetics, inverted totalitarianism, anal father, whatever you call it, a hegemony that reproduces through self criticism and proliferate the strongest among those who think they oppose the system. Rather than the traditional father that imposed itself through marriage and emanating through linguistic as Levi-Strauss used to describe structuralism no?

>>2656298
No one cares about "autism politics" except autistic people. Society isn't going to change for 2-3% of the population that virtually has no power.

>>2661969
Yeah, same with trans stuff, most of what autists are going to be able to get are anti-discrimination mesures and adaptations in certain context, but you're not changing 5000 years of social organisation because a small minority are unhappy with it, beyond that "autism politics" don't really have concret goals from what I see, I have no idea what concrete mesures they want

>>2661971
There is absolutely nothing that autistic people want that isn't merely basic bitch labour reforms like workplace accommodations. If they think they can have a cultural revolution they will be sadly mistaken.

>>2661961
no I want an unprofessional diagnosis(don't care to do a full process over several hours just want to get someone else's opinion)

>>2661980
I diagnose you as a retard

>>2661977
Even that I'm not sure of what labour accomodations they could get ? Maybe they can choose their hours or something

>>2661983
Then everyone pretends to be Autistic because Autism is basically at the level of not a real disorder now like ADHD has been watered down too.
ADHD in reality = Serious mental disorder that completely obliterates your memory, stops any ability to work, takes you hours to leave the house due to inability to get things in order, has you end up at a meeting forgetting all your notes, extreme object impermanence, severe addiction issues, severe anxiety issues, constant voices in your head distracting your ability to focus. So bad on average it knocks 20 years off your life expectancy.
ADHD Now = Tee hee If I say I need to watch Tiktok instead of sitting in my boring class, I can get free Amphetamine and extra time on my assignments!
It's the same shit as Autism. Asperger's and Autism should have never been combined, half of the Diagnosed Autists I know are Type A hyper charismatic people with Master level Degrees, like what the fuck is the Autism here? How in fuck are you the same as my friends 23 year old brother who acts like a 5 year old who runs down the street naked screaming at people and talks like a robotic toddler?
Like the blonde bitch here. Come on, okay maybe she has mild sensory issues some times, but she is not the same as the Autists I knew in school in the 1990s who were violent actual retards or my friends bother who is a disturbed 5 year old in the body of a grown man.
"it's a spectrum"
if the spectrum is literal retards vs people who are mildly annoyed by cars revving their engines and crowded spaces then it's a useless diagnostic. The DSM is retarded hyper politicized activist bullshit so It's bizarre people take it as gospel.

>>2661980
>>2661980
if 1 autism if 2 no autism:
dice 1d2 = 1

>>2662033
Two faced dices aren't a thing, you do whats called a coinflip, nerd

>>2656298
What's the end goal of autism politics? From snooping around autistic forums such as reddit, it seems to me that the two things autistic people demand the most is: 1. everyone accept them for who they "innately" are so they can stim in public and not look people in the eye, and 2. the right to be a couch potato who shouldn't have to work in a system not made for the autistic brain. Neither of these are the least bit radical or revolutionary and neither have a tangible political solution. Neither has anything to do with socialism, as they could just as easily be a reality under capitalism. Hell, once the Democrats start pushing the idea of implementing a UBI 90% of autistic leftists will fold and become Democrats, using the same emotional blackmail to make others vote Democrat. "I NEED a UBI or else I'LL DIE BY SUICIDE since masking is PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE!!!" Pathetic.

>>2662001
Most level 1 autists will tell you they are disabled because they can't work a real job, since work has become too demanding. But most neurotypical workers will also say work is getting too demanding and soulless, so why is this an autism issue?

Also, one of the psychologists who was behind the merger of Asperger's into the greater ASD umbrella has said she regrets the decision since it's only made things more confusing.

>>2662060
Not my post, copied from elsewhere, but touches on this
>Every single symptom of autism can exist in non-autist normies. Even in autists it could be that 4/5 symptoms are from autism and the 5th just happens to also be a common symptom but the real cause of it was unrelated to the autism.
>For example, let's say we have an autist who checks the "hypersensitivity" symptom mark because they can't stand a lot of clothes fabrics. In reality this individual is allergic to a compound found in most modern clothes and it makes their skin burn and itch when they touch it for prolonged periods of time. It would naturally be assumed to be an autistic trait because of their autism, but the cause was actually something else entirely.
>So in theory it is entirely possible for an individual to have any number of autistic traits while not truly being autistic, as autism is a mostly hereditary developmental brain disorder. This is why self-diagnosing isn't ever valid. A regular person just isn't able to discern the differences in these things, and a real autist is worse than average at understanding themselves, especially in comparison to others - it's part of the disorder. We are one of the worst groups at self-diagnosing. It would be like asking a narcissist if they think they're getting more than they deserve, of course they don't think that - it's part of what makes it narcissism.
>A typical sign of someone not actually having autism is them not having a close family member who's also autistic (could be undiagnosed or diagnosed with something related like adhd), as the vast majority have at least one autist in their immediate family - parent or siblings.
>Lastly I think trauma as a cause for any disorder is often overlooked.
Yeah basically, self diagnosing is bullshit and one of the absolute worst things about modern psychology and "Everyone is heckin valid" bullshit.
>>2662055
The end game should be to cure fucking Autism. It's a disorder and one that ruins many people and their families lives, like my friends brother.
No group I hate more than the "Autism/ADHD/BPD*insert disorder* is heckin valid personality type and who I am and to cure it is an insult, it's not even a disorder it's a super power, I went to Harvard and I have ADHD/Autism and NPD and they actually helped me so how dare you call this a disability, but also you need to give me whatever I want to be a lazy piece of shit or I will die"
Autism, ADHD, Personality disorders, Anxiety disorders etc are a fucking CURSE. No they are not heckin wholesome cute, they ruin hundreds of millions if not billions of peoples lives. This shit is another case of idiot woketard leftists doing the work of Corpos for them. Big Pharma loves this shit instead of just finding a cure.

>>2662075
Also the dumbest of this i've seen in recent years is "end the stigma" especially in regard to cluster B disorders.
I was watching some "interview with sociopath" and jubilee Sociopath videos and people in the comments are like "omg they are such beautiful souls, we need to end the stigma against them", "wow they are so thoughtful and empathetic, how is anything wrong with them?" "What a find upstanding person they are"
and I watch the video and I see a smug, clearly manipulative sociopath who is manipulating the game/interviewer.
It's ASPD, you do not get an ASPD diagnosis without being a dangerous, manipulative, narcissistic piece of shit. The diagnostic criteria is all awful, terrible stuff. They are not empathetic, they literally have zero to low empathy, IT'S THE FUCKING DISORDER.
I swear to god Mental Health woketards are lambs to the slaughterhouse. As someone who has had to spend a lot of time around Cluster Bs, Bipolars and Schizos, Mental Health stigma exists for a fucking reason, at best it's extremely exhausting to be around at worst, often extremely risky and dangerous and at worst deadly.

>>2662080
We don't make sociopath like we used to do, back in the day they had to be charismatic cult leaders to get anyone to care for them, nowadays all they have to do is give themselves a fancy title for their illness and you'll have retards loving them.

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>>2662083
>7ft tall world champion jujitsu fighter, successful never caught multi-time bank robber, started the first health food supermarket chain, WW2 marine, charismatic as fuck, literally brought a dead baby back to life in an emergency situation in front of a crowd
>Creates cult, spends like 20 years banging hot 18 year olds
>Get bored with cult, tells them all "you realize i'm making this all up right? I just wanted to fuck bitches and do cool shit", cult refuse to listen to him and stick around and lead them
>Instead he grabs a hang glider, goes up on a cliff during sunset, says "yolo, i'm outta here" and flies off *and crashes and dies*
Yep, 100%.

Not related but autism score is very real and the more we deny it the worse things will get

Question for autists on here:

Do you have a job and live alone? If not, how do you survive? If you still live with your parents, what do you plan on doing when your parents get too old and can't take care of you anymore?

>>2664004
I have a job and a relationship, everything in my life is because I have rich parents


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