/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2661496
hot take for you guys still stuck in 2016, but in an imperial core settler colony melting pot like the USA, intersectionality is essential to class struggle. some of you will no doubt strawman intersectionality as "when you make the black trans obese homeless undocumented uneducated disabled homosexual mentally ill non english speaking woman the general secretary of the american communists because she ticks the most oppression boxes on the intersectionality checklist" but that is not what intersectionality actually means in practice unless you are a radlib. What it means in practice for communists is simply not overlooking non-class forms of oppression when building a broad coalition of diverse proletarians in a diverse country. Obviously if some fed wreckers are using a "failure to be intersectional" to wreck your group, fuck them, it's obvious when that's happening. But you shouldn't go full ACP and be like "communism is about being a conservative christian trad husband who wears a hard hat to work"

>>2661511
soviets didn't give a fuck that 90% of the population was religious retard peasants. they committed to militant atheism. revolutions are committed minorities of educated vanguards who seize power then change society, not winners of a popularity contest.

>>2661919
and where are they now

>>2661920
they collapsed because of revisionism, not because they over-committed to atheism, dumbass.

>>2661919
anon that's exactly my point though? soviets didn't rely on being ideologically identical to the peasants. they simply organized the peasantry in spite of their differences.

>>2661919
immediately after the USSR people flocked to the orthodox church or islam. the communists commitment to militant atheism was a failure and a wasted effort. you just have to accept whether you understand what it is or not, that some people get something out of religion. they way to go is to keep religious institutions transparent, registered to the government, and on a tight leash. the way the CPC does. make sure they cannot spread scientific quackery or seditious sentiment.

>>2661926
>immediately after the USSR people flocked to the orthodox church or islam.
because religion provides welfare when capitalism is reintroduced. it's less that people actually believe in the spooks and more that they pretend to in order to get free cookies from the grandma at church.

>>2661188
>PRC deserve revenge on us but yanqui chimp presence in south china sea prevents glorious corrective historical movement against CIA mind virus liberal demokkkrat "japan" created by USA.
honestly let this crazy nygha cook. even the CPC agrees that burger influence in Japan is rotten and keeps the country reactionary and neocolonized. Burgers using the WW2 victory against Japanese fascism as an excuse to keep Japan reactionary, liberal, and neocolonized is sus. The plaza accord shit you mentioned is also fucked.

A Muslim NYC student got harassed and forced to drop out of college by progressives after she freaked out because a transwoman sees her unveiled
>Open, trusting, honest, and vulnerable, I shared with the comrades that when I lowered my guard, unveiled for a brief 30 minutes in the privacy of a designated, contracted, all-womens space, I felt uncomfortable when a person whose position in the legal perimeters of my faith were not clearly defined, stood in front of me, gazing upon my hair when I woke up.
>A communal agreement was broken. In my eyes, my womanhood was not respected. In their eyes, their womanhood was not respected. They defined their womanhood by my validation, I defined mine by the word of my Lord.
>I argue. Islamophobia when an NYPD pig rips off our hijabs is too loud and too flashy, too easy and too headline-y. Islamophobia when a self-proclaimed freedom fighter embroiders themselves into the fabric of my hijab with needles that only scrape my scalp, that only make me bleed—When they gentrify my shoulders as their feet yank the threads on my neck, it’s more grimy in this chokehold. It’s potent. It’s worrisome. The stench doesn’t overcome the room but it owns your nose. It’s an acquired taste. “Don’t die on this hill”, “Don’t burn this bridge”, don’t set fire to a flame, this Islamophobia is a reach, its a stretch, like the elastic holding back the rock in our slingshot.

Whose right in this situation? Is the Muslim right about White Left-Liberals gentrifying their faith and forcing down liberalism on them? Or is the Transperson correct that Muslims are ungrateful, demanding progs to respect their creed but not the other way around? Honestly i can see both of their point, as a Christian left winger myself. But i'm curious about you guys' opinions

>>2661943
Also damn this girl is a former Mamdani intern (well, i guess i know why she's a former)
>A former Zohran Mamdani intern proudly declared activism is “all jihad” and encouraged protesters to get suspended or arrested in defiance of the West’s “settler colonialism.”

“The true believer knows that none of this is in vain, that this is all Jihad,” said Hadeeqa Malik in the recently resurfaced video, using the controversial Muslim term for holy war.

“So, the conversation of doxing, the conversation of getting arrested and suspended, I think it’s time for Muslims to start to say alright, alright so what?”

>>2661943
It seems kind of inevitable that the trans discourse is just gonna end up at trans people being labeled as a 3rd gender. The only reason this isn't currently the left-wing position is because…well honestly I don't know why and I can't really speculate.

No matter how much we want to treat trans women as biological women, it's pretty much safer for everyone involved to categorize them as a 3rd gender and setup rules and policies for where they are and aren't allowed, the same way we do for the other two genders. If we want to provide spaces for trans women to feel safe, we should also provide spaces for cis women to feel safe. And I don't think either is more important than the other. We shouldn't endorse a single rigid belief system as superior when coexistence is much easier and more attainable imo.

>>2661945
>A former Zohran Mamdani intern proudly declared activism is “all jihad” and encouraged protesters to get suspended or arrested in defiance of the West’s “settler colonialism.”
damn this girl sounds based as fuck

>>2661943
Source?

>>2661946
> trans people being labeled as a 3rd gender
kinda sounds like Fa'afafine but that may be too simplistic

>The comrades were quick to attack when I said the words “I was uncomfortable”, calling me all types of ‘phobics’, stating that “not being comfortable with this person seeing your hair is an invalidation of their womanhood because in izlaam you can only show your hair to other woman, therefore, you are not respecting their right to see your hair!”.
My comfort, my creed, was negotiable but theirs was baked into the earth.'
This is what i've been saying. This is what 'tolerance' amounts to in lib left spaces. As in, we have to tolerate them but not the other way around

>>2661946
>No matter how much we want to treat trans women as biological women
>biological
just say cis women. by their own admission trans isn't cis, and cis isn't trans. the entire argument is avoided that way. also I find it interesting how the culture war is always about MTF and never FTM. Probably because MTF is seen as more transgressive. Cis women have already been allowed to dress in male clothes without controversy for the better part of a century, and women have been allowed to serve in the military for a while as well. It seems to me that MTF is more controversial because "you're shirking muh male worker and soldier duties to go be a sassy diva!" but they never want to admit that labor aspect because it overlaps with the class struggle. Also there was a trans man in the US civil war named Albert Cashier.

>>2661948
>aieee xhe saw my hair Mohammad save me
Zohran shills are not serious people

>>2661950
>owning a house makes you petty bouge
i mean yeah, it's a speculative financial asset that accumulates value. it's private property as well. pretty sure marx and engels pretty much agree with that analysis. who cares though. proletarian isn't a moral category. you can be a petty bourgeois class traitor and support proletarian revolution. that begins by admitting you're petty bourgeois if you own a house or whatever. I'm basically a labor aristocrat. I make way better money than someone in the global south would doing the same job.

>>2661952
Its because malehood is much more diverse and individualistic. Being a rugged individual who defines yourself is what "being a man" is, which makes assimilating into it way easier.
Being a woman is a much more rooted being. Pregnancy, the earth, female networks, yada yada. Means that if you want to be a woman you have to come into contact with other women and demand validation from them

>>2661949
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender
there's enough precedent that it would be pretty easy to get people on board i think. the main resistance to it is, ironically, liberals that think gender conflict is some kind of actual war to be won and not real life people trying to live their lives in peace.

>>2661951
its basically what i've been arguing today, that the Left is not a monolith and we can't treat it as such or expect our class allies to also be our allies in all things unrelated to class warfare. i'd walk arm in arm with a trans woman and a muslim woman, and i don't really want to alienate either of them so long as they leave eachother alone and aren't advocating harm on eachother.

>>2661952
>also I find it interesting how the culture war is always about MTF and never FTM. Probably because MTF is seen as more transgressive.
Well, FTM have their own issues but theyre generally separate from MTF issues. A lot of FTM's inadvertently end up incels or detransition back into lesbians because cis women don't want to date them and no amount of testosterone is gonna make a 5'2 girl gain height which is the #1 most important trait for male attractiveness. FTM also face a lot of issues trying to integrate into male circles and tend to have high rates of depression as a result.

There was a recent article (I couldn't find it) about a trans male in a male prison that got raped by the other male inmates, and the discourse was just a lot of liberals arguing this trans male should be moved to a female prison despite being a male. So there's definitely some kind of double standard going on. If this person was treated as a 3rd gender and we had a separate prison or section of prison for trans people all of this would be avoided tbh.

>>2661956
>its basically what i've been arguing today, that the Left is not a monolith and we can't treat it as such or expect our class allies to also be our allies in all things unrelated to class warfare. i'd walk arm in arm with a trans woman and a muslim woman, and i don't really want to alienate either of them so long as they leave eachother alone and aren't advocating harm on eachother.
Wise words. We need actual ideological pluralism in the Left. Ideally a social conservative like me and an anti-normative anarchist can work together and respect each other in the public setting.
I know this sounds funny coming from a big bad KKKhristian but i do think that a lot of libs have unironic crusader/jihadist mentality; that they are on the right side of history and everyone are backward pagans that should be smited by Reason. I prefer the way Indians think more: that ideology is complicated, someone can affirm a dozen beliefs that all contradict each other, and there is no singular, normative vision of an ideal society. Decolonize progress, in other words

Fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat fat stupid stupid stupid Americans Love to eat Burgerburgerburgerburger and shoot children and burgerburgerburger and drink cum from bovine
-Eyup Lovely

>>2661809
I wouldn't put this at the same level as the no kings meme strikes that like 30 people participate in. Fucking nothing was open in minneapolis today, every important union here supported it, etc etc.

Go outside and stop relying on the media to inform you about a strike for which is it in their best
interests to not tell you about

>>2661952
It's because despite the recent change in attitudes, men are still seen as the primary subject of society. So when someone is born as a man and then transition to a woman, they are giving up status and choosing to be something seen as lesser than. The very act of doing that questions male domination and supremacy, for many people that's all they have, so they become quite upset. The other way around is seen as a woman trying to attain malehood status, which is considered understandable, so it's not too controversial.

>>2661973
This ignores that a lot of the reaction came from afabs, not from men who want to supposedly defend the subjecthood of patriarchal maleness

>>2661974
Not really, imo that's just trans people being disproportionately offended by terfs and the like, because they feel that feminist should be having their backs as progressives. If you know anything about men and women you'd know that men are generally far more deeply homophobic and upset at things that question male supremacy than women are and are much more likely to have a hostile disposition towards trans people. Also many women uphold male supremacy and patriarchy all the time regardless as well

>>2661954
gay

>>2661943
Both trans and muslims in leftist spaces are way too childish and melodramatic in order to be taken seriously.
Although maybe it is not a trans or a muslim issue per se, but an American issue. What is it about America which turns everything into mayo cringe slop.

>>2661981
Damn comrade S, I like this new version of you.

>>2661956
>setup rules and policies for where they are and aren't allowed, the same way we do for the other two genders. If we want to provide spaces for trans women to feel safe, we should also provide spaces for cis women to feel safe.
Wrong. We should go the Starship Troopers rout and treat everyone equally regardless of gender, exceptions only given to the biological function of reproduction. Polices and rules should be designed to make a new society not deal with your spooks. The Universals Army is the way forward, not backwards Abrahamic retardation.

>>2661978
You're trans?

>>2661978
>No we don't want to be a fucking third gender, I will fuckign shoot you cis pigs in the head if you try and do this.
Extremely based

usapol

>>2661782
this is why my strategy of saying all burgoids should be shot instead of whining about AI reigns supreme

they're surrendering to china kek
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj9r8ezym3ro
>The US will offer "more limited" support to allies, according to the Pentagon's new National Defense Strategy.
>Relations with China will now be approached through "strength, not confrontation", the report says.
>Unlike in previous versions of the strategy, Taiwan, the self-governing island claimed by China, is not mentioned.
>The strategy also outlines a "more limited" role for US deterrence of North Korea. South Korea is "capable of taking primary responsibility" for the task, it adds.

JDPON DON WINS AGAIN GLORY TO AES DEATH TO AMERIKKKA

NEW THREAD, NEW BREAD

https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/2661994.html

Sorry, I got a little emotional. Still, if there ever actually is a revolution in the U$ (likely beginning from an external regime put in place that would then begin an internal social revolution), all these idealists, social-democrats, bourgeois socialists, etc. who post in this thread are the first who are going to be eliminated.

>>2661989
Yes, I am transexual.

>>2661447
Kek

Someone shoot this film

>>2661470
Sometimes Marx comes off as an giga-autist, ngl. The Bolshevik's "Peace, Land, and Bread" slogan was infinitely more effective.

>>2661525
Westoid mods have been consistently removing non-westoid posters for years now. Your super sikrit labor aristocrat leftist forum is secured, don't worry. Mods have been consistently on the side of not growing the userbase, essentially dooming it to forever shrinking into irrevelance BUT having the Western Left Approved (tm) opinions.

>>2661996
He is going to invade and occupy Minessota.

>>2661867
>now be approached through strength
with the new department of war?

kidnapping Xi?

>>2661846
>>2661847
Go to the incel thread

Western leftists of all varieties are larpers. Armed struggle will not come from the college campus.

>>2660968
Burgerland gold chimp

How did the 6 hour general strike go ? Did it stop fascism ? How did the student walk out for own day gi did it stop fascism is fascism gone because some lazy burgers did a symbolic act

>>2683536
>>2683558
>>2684655
Bumped 20 day old thread award

US empire is the only possibility