Islam is more radical and sober than western atheism
The people of the Islamic resistance (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran) are some of the sober people on the planet. Just listen to what Nasrallah said about the US/Israel alliance, that Israel is in fact a US outpost and not the other way around and that Jews don't really control the world and such. Compare that to the schizophrenic western conspiracy theories about Jewish cabal.
Islam is the right ideology to fight western imperialism. Prove me wrong.
>>2661410All the Maoists in Palestine converted to Islam
Pan-Islamism has been an utter failure.
Janitors please just permaban this Islamist freak who has been making threads here daily for a week now trying to promote fundamentalist Islam.
No, I shan't join your anti-communist, women hating, gay killing, idealist death cult. You aren't going to convert anyone here.
All solidarity with the working class of the world, including the working class of Arab states, and those facing persecution and genocide. Doesn't mean I have to abandon science or do a suicide bombing.
>>2661461>ottoman imperialismKys
>>2661435>the working class of the worldDoes not exist. Sorry but this is the truth.
>>2661481But a Bedouin chief in the sky does?
>>2661410 no cap detected
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To%20the%20American%20people.pdfIslamism is the single greatest ideological anti imperialist force in the modern world. Now Afghan women can fight for their rights against tribal patriarchy on their own terms knowing that their nation has been saved from the clutches of pink washing genocidal amerizionism by devoted militant Allah-fearing freedom fighters
>>2661929>islamism is over because a self described "last Marxist" American pedo islamophobes said soOk
>>2661410Islam is the most progressive of the abrahmic religions, so it makes sense. Also just cuz of their position in global politics that they'll align a certain way in the struggle, not so much the religion itself
>>2661999
white religion is genuinely more progressive because it is primitive (communism) cavemen stuff
>>2661991Chris Cutrone is a pedo? Since when?
>>2662002Objectively wrong. Islam is the most reactionary ideology to exist, on par with Nazism. ᴉuᴉlossnW's Fascism was way more progressive than Islam.
>>2662002>>2662009>muh ideology Islamism is literally just liberalism
>>2662002>>2662009Before the Iranian Revolution, Marxists hated Islam.
>>2662013>Marxists hated Islam.Marxists then hated Islam even more because Islamists genocided Iranian commies.
Leftists liked that tho
>>2662008Hakim is representative of many muslims in leftist spaces: very perceptive and 'red' when it comes to analyse and oppose colonialism, christian supremacy, white supremacy etc etc. But suddenly completely impotent and willingly ugnorant when it comes to islam. Suddenly they have a good 'Marxist' explanation for everything: hijab, the need for every muslim majority country to be an 'islamic republic', the need for socialists in thess countries to be 'islamic socialists' etc.
Incredible how deep Islam has been shoved in their ass that even Marxism-Leninism cannot exorcise.
>>2662018>Hakim is representative of many liberals on the left (wing of capital)Okay?
>>2662009Only zionists think this, you outted yourself as a zionist for all to see. How embarrassing
>>2662010No it's actually a belief system that predates liberalism by several centuries
>>2662011You are a liberal idealist, I am objectively correct and you are wrong, sorry
>>2662013That doesn't discount what I said, better luck next time tho
>>2662022I piss on you Muslim retard. Your attempt to cast every critic of Islam as a Zionist will not work on me. Islamic retardation is much much bigger than Palestine. Criticising Islamic retards in Indonesia does not 'serve Zionism', no.
>>2662022>No it's actually a belief system that predates liberalism by several centuries It was invented in the early 20th century by British commissioners anon…
Stop shilling for Islam, examine their actual beliefs and you'll see it's just as bad as the other Abrahamics.
>>2662030Islamophobia is a tool of western imperialism and Zionism, by perpetuating it with such ridiculous claims as Islam being less progressive than fascism, you are no better than a zionist yourself
>>2662032Sorry bub, Christianity and Judaism are worse
>>2662027>compares someone to a nazi>gets mad when others do the same???????
>>2662039how are islamists libs?
I support Islamism insofar it's against imperialism and its outpost in west Asia, Zionism. Al qaida type of Islamism is bad because it serves imperial interests (see the current Syria government). The axis of resistance (Hezbollah, Hamas, Iran) is good because they fight imperialism. Very simple.
>>2662030Oh sorry anon, I didn't realize. You see I was talking about Islam by itself and then you brought up islamism unrelatedly, that's not what I was talking about so it's just an irrelevant non argument. My bad for not noticing
>>2661929Chris always reminds me of Caleb Maupin. 90% good takes, in fact, takes that are wildly better than what passes as mainstream "Communism"/"Marxism" in the west, combined with 10% of the most batshit contrarian wtf horseshit that just ruins everything else they have to say.
With Cutrone it's literally his simping of American/Israeli imperialism, he's gone down the same path as Hitchens. After October 7th, Cutrone went from someone I would keep up on at least once a month to someone I cannot really stand for how much of a pathetic Israel simp he is.
And this is coming from someone who thinks Islam is a reactionary horseshit ideology that needs to be wiped from the face of the planet.
>>2662056I always assumed Cutrone was a Neocon in Marxist clothing. I've found that if you study Hegel long enough you either end up a Neocon or a fascist, the latter of which has happened to Maupin and Haz.
>If only we believed in the correct Ideology we would save the world from the [Manichean evil]!
<Nnoooo you're wrong MY authoritarian theocratic ideology is the correct and progressive one!!!1!!
Go to church
<The ones that really stand out are those dealing with social relations among Muslims. Marx was profoundly struck by the bearing of the Arabs: “even the poorest Moor,” he wrote, “surpasses the greatest European comedian in the art of wrapping himself in his hood and showing natural, graceful and dignified attitudes.”33 Noting how their social classes mixed, he wrote to his daughter Laura Lafargue in mid-April that he had observed a group of Arabs playing cards, “some of them dressed pretentiously, even richly,” others in, for once I dare call it blouses, sometime of white woollen appearance, now in rags and tatters.” For a ‘true Muslim’, he commented:
<such accidents, good or bad luck, do not distinguish Mahomet’s children. Absolute equality in their social intercourse, not affected; on the contrary, only when demoralized, they become aware of it;
>>2662073Did u read that Sam Kriss essay
The west used Islam as a psyop to mog communists and to a larger extent the threat of pan-arabism during the cold war, the only religion more cucked and glow-in-the-dark than Islam is evangelism.
>>2661410>the Islamic resistance (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran)a complete failure
>>2661410Retarded, besides Afghanistan and Iran (which are way less Islamist than the countries I'm about to mention) every ultra-Islamist country like Saudi Arabia, Brunei, the UAE, HTS Syria, Libya, Oman, Bahrain, Qatar etc. are literally aligned to the US and gleefully support their foreign policy.
>>2662050>Al qaida type of Islamism is bad because it serves imperial interests Why did al qaida fight the west for 20 years in west africa and iraq then?
>>2662138They didn’t, it was kayfabe
>>2662118Saudi Arabia is objectively more secular than Iran (and afghanistan lmao) you can cope about muh not real islam all you want
>>2662121I'm an islamist socdem and I support this
>>2661473Turkroach is detected
>>2662156>women were not allowed to drive until a few years ago<"secular"Kill yourself Zionist-Wahhabi creep
>>2662156It is more secular than Afghanistan, but not Iran. For example, women
mostly don't have to wear a piece of black rag on their heads in Iran. This is not because of *great and wise khamenei* (he is a bastard) and this type of shit, but rather because of Iran's dual-monarchy type of government, where the parliament is quite democratic.
need to somehow make actively syncretist(continual addition) liberation theology islam w out being beheaded. how
>>2662179It's called Shia Islam
>>2662056He's a strange guy, the simplest explanation to me would be that he's ragebaiting to keep up his persona. His stated reasoning is that he's trying to provoke the left into thinking more critically but I don't think anyone who listens to him needs to hear about how reactionary middle-eastern regimes are.
>>2662168He said more secular than Iran. Yes, said something bad about the religion and you have get 15 years in jail, a generous beating or death. Yes, this is more secular than an integrist country.
>>2662170China is right about Muslims.
>>2661410Nice try, but we already know how this "left allies with Islam" thing goes. You WILL kill us for being heretics the minute the common enemy is defeated, I'm not stupid enough to fall for this crap.
>>2661410>Compare that to the schizophrenic western conspiracy theories about Jewish cabal.are those really "atheist" conspiracy theories or just a very specific subset of people. You did an interesting sleight of hand there that most anons won't notice because they're too focused on rejecting the other things you said.
>>2662400hey look everyone, it's the anon who said DPRK is a monarchy. take him very seriously.
>>2662405Its a hereditary dictatorship so close enough
>>2662405Nothing you say will make it false. You can post all the charts you want of the structure of the government of the DPRK, it won't change the reality of the place.
Two options:
- Agnostic: Don't concern yourself with it.
- Pagan: Do something cool with it if you are to concern yourself with it.
Everything else is bourgeois nonsense. If you are letting an ideal fossilize over you instead of doing things, you are a reactionary.
>>2662565Based Pahlavi
We will make similar films when we overthrow islamists except it will be comedies
>>2661410<Islam is more radical and sober than western atheism The people of the Islamic resistance (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran) are some of the sober people on the planet. Just listen to what Nasrallah said about the US/Israel alliance, that Israel is in fact a US outpost and not the other way around and that Jews don't really control the world and such. Compare that to the schizophrenic western conspiracy theories about Jewish cabal. Islam is the right ideology to fight western imperialism. Prove me wrong.<Islam is the right ideology to fight western imperialism. Prove me wrong.bro they lost to israel and the us hard? they just make videos about training then get merked by israeli beepers. The islamic world hasn't offere 1/10th of the challenge to US hegemony that the USSR or global marxism did circa say 1970
>>2662056>Chris Cutroneradlib who writes cringe articles for some degenerate post-left rag like "Unherd" or "Compact" -> PMC bugman opinion immediately trashed
Don't shovel shit into your mouth and look around at everyone while making JD Vance noises like "Mmm, me so hungee!", please stop, I'm begging you to have some dignity
>>2661410>The people of the Islamic resistance (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran) are some of the sober people on the planet.Why do you fetishize losers?
>>2662187I do this as well, I always try play devils advocate on positions the left hold that are clearly poorly thought out beyond "good fucking person", especially when it's just clear those positions are basically thinly veiled Corpo-propaganda (Pro-copyright position much of the left have taken recently in regards to AI) or are clearly just inverted reactionary stances (most idpol).
But Cutrone goes waaaay too far. I do this on positions the left has clearly not thought about enough the consequences. Cutrone just fucking defends Israeli genocide of Palestinians because of some bourgeois liberal idealistic american exceptionalism bullshit.
>>2663845Cutrone is not my sort of Leftist, he's ultra-left who hates Marxist-Leninism, but he absolutely has a lot of correct critique of the western/millennial/zoomer left in general and the state of politics. This is the same as Caleb, and even Haz. Unlike leftypol zoomers I don't shit my pants and cry when I hear opinions I don't like, I can take the interesting things they say and reject the retarded shit.
I remember a Lebanese Shia anon who used to cope about Nasrallah not being an Iranian proxy and akutaly is against the Ayatollah on most things #LebanonFirst
>>2664014>he absolutely has a lot of correct critique of the western/millennial/zoomer left in general and the state of politics.That's literally how cults operate: they draw you in with the "reasonable" shit everyone can agree with, and then once you're in hit you with the batshit crazy shit. Like Peterson and his "clean your room" schtick. Everyone can agree that a clean and tidy room is preferable to a dirty one, that's not controversial and reasonable. But once you start listening to him he starts going off on how women destroyed civilisation and 10% of people need to culled cause they're retards who can't learn anything.
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