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First, if they seized power, Communists would restrict all unilateral global immigration. No Communist state in history had "open borders." Immigration would be restricted to countries with bilateral economic agreements to ensure that it is rational and harmonious with national economic plans.
Additionally, cultural differences would carefully be taken into account so as to not produce scenarios of misunderstanding, conflict and confusion that inflame national, ethnic or religious tensions. This is how, practically, all Communist states dealt with immigration. Carefully and extremely controlled. Under socialist economic planning, spontaneous and unrestricted mass immigration is impossible. The flow of labor, the settlement of populations, and the patterns of life cannot be treated as a "free for all" when your economy is actually planned in a rational way. But at the same time, Communists reject antagonizing immigrants under the current capitalist system. Here are the reasons:
<Strategically, it makes no sense to give your enemies - the capitalist ruling class - a free base of support. By demonizing immigrants, you drive them into the arms of your enemy. The enemy should always be divided, never given the chance to unite on any basis.
<It is fruitless. The same infighting frenzy and instincts that lead people to demonize immigrants will eventually lead to infighting and division within the ranks of the national working class. Especially in multi-ethnic countries like America. Division within our own ranks cannot be tolerated and must be stamped out ruthlessly. Prioritizing the issue of immigration only builds a movement that is focused on immigrants themselves - not any actual institutional or state policy. We can see that anti-immigrant politics never actually changes the policy. Look at Meloni in Italy. Trump also didn't "build the wall." It just whips up duped and distracted idiots into supporting the system. To change any state policy one must have an impersonal, wise, and collected view. Anti immigrant hysteria is not conducive to this.
<It reinforces national chauvinism in the context of US imperial policy. By demonizing Haitian immigrants for example, consensus is built for more US-led intervention into Haiti. It is also hypocritical and unprincipled to forego responsibility your own government has in enforcing the same global imperialist system that devastates and enslaves other countries, leading to huge refugee populations and economic migrations. To oppose immigration policy while supporting the US global system is a violation of one's own national honor. It is craven, hypocritical, and morally bankrupt.
<It mistakes the cause for the effect. The chief cause of mass migration is to import a class of foreign slaves so as to enforce the dismantlement of the native power of Labor. But the domestic cost of labor has only risen so immensely because rentier fianance capitalists have driven up the cost of living to an extraordinary degree. This has led to de-industrialization on a mass scale. Mass immigration is not the chief cause of the destruction of the power of Labor- but a symptom of it. Therefore, the focus should be based more on the root cause, which is the domestic struggle for economic sovereignty and emancipation from debt slavery.
The more people of your nation face economic pressure, the more they will be whipped into a frenzy looking for people to hate and to blame. The more resentment will increase. Communists, while having the correct, realistic and wise position on mass immigration and it's root causes, will not lower themselves to this frenzy of stupidity and cannibalism - or somehow confuse it for a principled opposition to the policy of mass immigration.

We support the free movement of labour.

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>>2661419
>We support the free movement of labour

Communism is necessarily global, why have a global system where people are tied to the land like feudal serfs?

>>2661419
Bourgeois liberal moralism

>>2661427
What do you think establishes a world market, which is the basis for "global Communism"? Everyone that works their land is necessarily tied to and lives off their land. The only scientifically proven foundation is Socialism in One Country.

>>2661441
The whole defining characteristic of the proletariat is that it isn’t tied to the land, only to his trade, which can be anywhere at any time

>>2661458
Internationalism does not mean "no borders". Working class struggle is national in form and that it's capitalism that deprives workingmen of a country, that's literally why Ukrainian, Russian and all kinds of various nationalities had to band together to create republics.
>Proletarian in content, national in form-such is the universal culture towards which socialism is proceeding. Proletarian culture does not abolish national culture, it gives it content"
>in its form, however… it is and will be a national culture, different for the various peoples… in language and specific national features

>>2661463
Soviets will say this and then have Tajik and Kazakh SSRs with not a single Tajik or Kazakh speaker in a governing postion

>>2661467
If you ignore people like Zhumabay Shayakhmetov, Bobodzhan Gafurov, Shirinsho Shotemur and many others. Stalin was Georgian Why do you lie?

>>2661475
By the time of Brezhnev not a single Kazakh speaker was governing the Kazakh SSR

Part of me feels like it's just another way to extract resources, in this case human capital, from the developing world. You get loads of free skilled labor at basically no cost. Alternatively you get a bunch of low skill labor that fills occupations that no one wants, because they're hyper-exploited. No idea what would make this right.

Empirically existing policies have improved local economies.

The cultural stuff is more or less complete BS, especially in modern multicultural societies, in the US they're effectively importing a richer culture and still complain.

>>2661478
Another lie, Dinmukhamed Kunaev was widely known for furthering Kazakh industry and agriculture under Brezhnev. Jabbor Rasulov and Sharof Rashidov were other minority leaders during this time.
Notice how the liberal appeals to ethnic infighting to further the mass immigration agenda.

>>2661485
I’m not the one insisting the various proles inside one economic unit will need multiples documents and screenings just to visit each other

>>2661489
No, only outside one economic unit.

>>2661492
The whole world is one economic unit

>>2661479
That's exactly true. As with everything, it comes down to a crisis of production. There is more austerity than ever, countries that feed the imperial core with immigrants are also caught in the dollar hegemonies lack of development and slide into rentier economy.
Idiots think that opposing mass immigration is the same thing as demonizing and dehumanizing immigrants to the point of inciting hatred against their mother nation. Mass immigration is literally a mechanism of unequal exchanges

>>2661495
No argument

The "economic unit" of the soviet republics was in question here, so the PRC, USSR and GDR strictly planned who can move where.
Soviet citizens could not freely cross the border to China without a position allocated for them in terms of residence, work, fluency in language and culture. The world is still split between unproductive, financialized rentier (imperialist) economies and productive economies. Communist nations exist as the latter.

>>2661520
But Soviet citizens could freely travel within the union’s borders, same with Chinese in their borders, which is part of why Xinjiang and Tibet are majority Han nowadays

>>2661544
And Soviets couldn't freely travel to the China or the other way around

>>2661548
That was mostly because of the Sino Soviet split (both sides were at fault)

>>2661418
Useless discussion

>>2661549
The split just made it much harder et. al travel to the USA so you don't know what you're talking about
Even before the split they couldn't freely travel without exit visas that required months of vetting by the workplace and governments, the same went for the GDR and Yugoslavia

>>2661418
Open borders is a great way to sharpen class contradictions.

>Communist state
Lol
Lmao, even.

>>2661582
State of being

>>2661441
>The only scientifically proven foundation is Socialism in One Country.
Lol
Lmao, even

>>2661585
So why mention borders in the same sentence then?

BBC will move into your nation and you will serve the BBC, chuddy

>>2661555
I think it's quite useful, since leftists still operate under the delusion that there was a policy of unconditional and unrestricted borders between Socialist fraternal states. Individual migration was never treated the same as mass migration.
>>2661575
In terms of accelerationism, sure. Free flow of capital, services and labor is breaking down society and this chaos is what the rightist cuck influencer slaves are capitalizing on.
But duh open borders in communist countries is a different question. If China today should open their borders it would set them back 100 years.
>>2661558
I will add that even the flow of ethnic populations within Communist countries were usually carefully controlled and managed

>>2661582
>>2661587
>>2661589
Weird fetish, but okay

>>2661596
"Ethnic" populations are going to turn into cosmopolitan mutts, under communism, actually.


>>2661598
YTA
Thanks for the gold kind stranger

>>2661501
I'm not sure this is my position.

What if instead of questioning immigration you questioned the institutional mechanisms by which labor was fractured and for example promoted sectoral bargaining. Is there anything but racism left after this? (Honest question for europoors with sectoral bargaining.)

Why are people talking about labor when refugees literally dont work and are only let in for humanitarian reasons.

I feel like modern computers solve a lot of the bureaucratic issues coming from a policy like OP’s, rather than waiting for months to register as a political refugee from a reactionary country to move to the USSR it would probably take 3 days at most if the process was digitized. Imagine the Warsaw Pact with an EZ pass system.

>>2661661
It’s literally only the UK that prevents refugees from getting a job, everywhere else refugees get jobs and work on a temporary basis (they do expect to return to their countries eventually, even Palestinians exiled from 1948 and Chagos islanders)

damn if its not for communism then im for communism and illegal migration! FUCK OFF

>>2661715
based.

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>>2661418
The Global Migration Crisis is purely a result of the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System that has created widespread Poverty/Inequality/Starvation combined with Genocidal Imperialist Wars launched by the U$ and the Zionist State throughout the Periphery/Semi-Periphery countries that has caused millions of people from Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, Eastern Europe, and East Asia to flee their homes and try to get to the Imperial Core (ie. The U$ and Western Europe), where they are used by the Bourgeoisie for both cheap labor and as a convenient scapegoat/bogeyman to divide the Proletariat in order to elect Fascists like Trump who will gut the Social Safety Net and eventually declare Martial Law and permanently suspend Bourgeois Liberal Democracy, so their is no way to truly solve this problem as long as the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System exists, but once the World Maoist PPW (in the aftermath of the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War that completely destroys the entire Global Capitalist-imperialist System) successfully creates a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted), the Global Migration Crisis will end, as their will be no Material reason for anyone to migrate anymore, as every person worldwide will have Free Housing, Free Healthcare, Free Education, a Job Guarantee, and a UBI, and most people who migrated will probably voluntarily return to their homelands, with every Nation/Ethnic group receiving their own SSR according to the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question” https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination” https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , so if you genuinely want to end Mass Immigration and ensure Ethnic Homogeneity in your country in a Humane and Progressive way, embrace the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest Stage of Marxism, and start traveling on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

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>>2661418
>Communist state
thanks for making it clear early in your text that it is not worth reading and wasting one's time with it
i have my own opinions on immigration but you should learn the basics before making a post here
also
>21MB photographic PNG
you could at least have tried

Immigration implies the existence of national borders and also differential labor markets. Neither of these exist under fully realized communism. Under world communism there would be no need for immigration because the cheap/expensive labor gradient across national boundaries wouldn't exist, and every region of the world that human beings exist would have their needs met. The imperial core would also cease to exist and would no longer terrorize the global south.


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