/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

The people you're talking about are conservatives. Say what you will about American libs (and oh there is so much to say) but they're all extremely incensed about ICE

black people don't care about the workers struggle or anti imperialism, the irony is that immigrants also don't give a fuck the moment they get their citizenship.

every american turns right wing the moment they make some money, doesn't matter if they are gay black transgender cherokee or chinese.

I mean tbh immigrants dont come out in support of blacks when cops killed George Floyd. This is not an ideal way to think about politics but i think we have to accept that mass politics in the US have become extremely transactional and tribalist. You only go to the streets if you think that its your community being attacked, and nowhere else. Very similar to MENA politics.

>>2662542
>I mean tbh immigrants dont come out in support of blacks when cops killed George Floyd
How do you know?

>>2662543
We have studies about the protests you know. The only immigrant groups that participated in the protests in sizable numbers are black immigrants from the Carribean and Africa. I'd wager that there are more immigrant *activists* participating in the protests than actual diasporites themselves, especially among upwardly mobile groups like Arabs or Indians

>>2662544
I haven't been able to find those studies.

>>2662545
You can look at Gallup, Pew, and any other meta analysis about participants in the protests. In many cases people with immigration status do not even feature in the studies because they are such a small minority. Like come on man

>>2662546
I am not bullshitting you, I googled "Gallup participation on george floyd protests" and all that showed up were polls about approval. Same thing with Pew, only polls about approval. And the polls about approval show general support among nearly all groups around the time the protests were happening.

>>2662542
I think realpolitik is a good way to look at politics. The reality is that Black people are going to think "What have gays done for Blacks?" And gay people are going to think "What have Blacks done for gays?" Nevermind that you can be both, that's not the point. Building solidarity is hard work, it's not easy to organize the workers and the oppressed.

>>2662539
Honestly yeah black conservative Democrats are a major hindrance to progress. For example in 2020 they saved Joe Biden's candidacy.
That's not to say there aren't plenty of black leftists but I think there needs to be a reckoning within the community.

>>2662539
That's just the FBA tariq nasheed hotep psy op. they're scared of caribbean, american, and african black proles teaming up with hispanic proles against the predominantly euro-descended bourgeoisie and petty bourgeoisie.

If you got on Paul Birdsong videos most of them are black libs glowies bullying him and few Latinx praising him and getting the former angry lol

>>2662540
yes these are generally a loud minority of black conservatives. The tariq nasheed "FBA" movement is big into that too. They might even be feds tbh

I'm out of the loop non burgerstani

How do you people take Nasheed seriously when he uses his political platform to promote his fetish? I thought he was a well regarded meme

don't care didn't ask plus you belong in the burger general

>>2668510
>tariq nasheed
The bussyguy?

>>2662539
very obvious psy op

I mean, either way, the majority of participants in the Floyd protests weren't Black. For one, it's just a very sill way to look at things as some quid pro quo thing. Reminds me of the Jews who were raging during the Palestinian protests about how they donated money to BLM or showed support or whatever and now they felt so betrayed that Black people were siding with the Palestinians. Speaking of, where was this "what did the Palestinians ever do for us?" rhetoric when that was going on?

I think OP and everyone else doesn't want to address the elephant in the room which is the message that Tariq Nasheed and his ilk put out that "immigrants are taking our jobs welfare." Also I think there's this other thing with FBA where they want to have the exclusive claim on being Black in America and so they are more anti-Carribean and African immigrants more than any other type. But I guess that doesn't apply here? Well I guess in case of the Somalis and Haitians it does.

Also there is actually a lot of friction between Latinos and Blacks depending on the part of the country. Lot of intermingling too but like a lot of Black people don't really fuck with Mexicans. I've heard multiple times Black Americans that are really afraid of Latinos because they think every one of them is cartel affiliated. Also they don't like how the younger generations of Latinos call each other uygha all the time, and lmao they fucking do.



This is kinda why I'm more or less against racial based organization in America. I kinda think things would be better if we embraced "the dream" of the postracial America. I mean maybe such particularized interest groups are necessary as a bridge, but I think it often leads to this kinda sillyness.

The problem with any kind of identitatian politics is that even when they are 100% necessary to combat racism or other reactionary institutions, they have a tendency to produce myopia among the group in question, even to the point of being anti-universalist. There's definitely a subset of radicals of any identitarian persuasion who will act like any attempt to tackle an issue from a universalist perspective or talk about class or the masses as a whole is an attack on their group.