/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

leftoidism is an umbrella term that includes anything from anarchists to dems. communism is already divorced from it bc it seeks to transcend bourgeois politics altogether

>>2665011
Any electoral effort that does not involve co-opting the democratic party has a high rate of failure so I think the question you're asking is the wrong question. The right question is to ask how we can turn the democratic party into a leftist party. If you don't think that's possible then idk, dip out of electoralism entirely and do something else.

Mamdani-ites, etc, are the first stage of turning the democratic party into a leftist party and are not to be discounted. Remember when everyone thought the Tea Party was going to be a flash in the pan? Look at the US now. The right never discounts a victory, no matter how small. Leftists are too willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and as a result rarely achieve meaningful electoral progress despite the far right showing that this is more than possible (yes, I know they have capital and the media on their side—but not always to the degree that they currently do).

People need to rally around those small victories and show people that better things are possible through leftist and left-adjacent policies and methods of thought. When people see that It Works, they will vote for more of it, and more openly leftist people will run on the friendliest (democratic) ticket to their beliefs.

Again, if you don't believe electoralism is worth it, then do something else. But if you want an electoral solution, this is it.

we definitely didnt need another thread about the US

>>2665032
>dood we need to change the dems from the inside! vote with your wallet if you want to see change!!
unironically kill yourself. it worked so well with bernie, amirite? we are le 99%!! occupy wall street!!!! disregard that the proletariat doesnt have time to waste especially not on participating in bourgeois politics

>>2665047
In an attempt to preempt vapid responses such as this, I said *twice* that if you don't believe electoralism works, fine, that's not a problem, consider alternate approaches. Believing electoralism is in some way worth your time is a prerequisite for discussing electoralism. This is a response that discusses electoralist strategies in a thread that (presumably) requested electoral strategies, assuming that this isn't just doomerposting dressed up as "enlightened discussion" as so often happens.

If you want a "electoralism doesn't work" circlejerk, just post a thread that states that.

>>2665063
>i-its a matter of opinion
not only retarded but also spineless lmao. its not a coincidence that the poorer you are the less likely you are to engage in electoralism, theyre smart enough to realize on their own that reform benefits the middle classes mainly without radlibs preaching to them about how they have to vote to change the system or w/e

what youre presenting is literally just a fantasy. typical "what if capitalism but we magically removed the elements we dont like" idiocy

also the first page is plagued with amerilard threads, you cattle are fucking annoying

>>2665072
Are you going to present any sort of alternative viewpoint or are you just going to keep posting about how everything is pointless and worthless except for your specific take on the world?
>the first page is plagued with amerilard threads
I didn't start any of them so you can take your issue up with those other posters.

>>2665032
Entryism has never worked, imbecile.

>>2665011
>>2665032
>How do we effectively divorce the American left from the Democratic Party?
<uhhhhh VOTE
As naive as OP is you are incredibly fucking retarded.

>>2665032
May be naive. But I don't really see the problem with electoralism, or organizing among protesters, or building alternative institutions like (20th century or social media style) newspapers, or organizing geographically around things like community services or renter, or organizing among work places (something no one contests). Tools including destructive tools are only that. You've got to be careful to hold onto your ideals, which perhaps implies a centralist organization (something that might not exist anymore).

>>2665032
This is bait, right?

>>2665264
>yeah i dont see the problem with wasting your time doing irrelevant and useless shit
unlike you, the proletariat isnt composed of pb losers with lots of free time and energy

>Stirner flag
<ideals
gigapseud

>>2665246
>>2665256
>>2665268
>>2665286
>proceeds to not say what works and how
Let me guess—we all should be checking out instead and waiting for the US to implode?

>>2665296
>doesnt address literally anything said, only replies with "ummmmmmmm pls be constructive"
are you 12

>>2665286
>unlike you, the proletariat isnt composed of pb losers with lots of free time and energy
I assume this is mostly directed at electoralism, and not e.g. organizing the workers which was also mentioned. Aren't there electoral initiatives which invariably help the socialism, like preventing "right to work", or the repeal of Taft-Harvey or Citizen United, just to name a few in America. Took down the flag, because it was just a remnant anyway.

>>2665305
The feedback is "haha this doesn't work, you're naive." Is that supposed to be a grand theoretical treatise you want to see rebuffed? What the hell do you want me to address?

i literally never see leftoids discuss class outside of "how can we appeal to the working class?", and in those cases they almost invariably conclude "by lying to them", then go back to electoral politics, vague anti-"billionaire" rhetoric, identity politics, geopolitics, etc.

>>2665296
>>2665313
using the "better things arent possible" catchphrase to defend the very thing it was originally meant to mock (this sort of naive incremental electoral change) is fucking wild

classic how "lesser evil" electoral politics has gone from "i hate libs too but drumpf is so dangerous we should hold our nose just this once and heres some out of context lenin quote that loosely justifies it" to "dont ever say mean things about the system"

>>2665306
>Aren't there electoral initiatives which invariably help the socialism
idc about socialism the petit bourgeois ideology, im a communist

>>2665314
>idc about socialism the petit bourgeois ideology, im a communist
incomprehensible

>>2665316
>uggggggh what does ideology mean what does it mean that communism is a practical movement what does petit bourgeois mean ughhhhhh
if youre retarded maybe 👍

>>2665321
>communism is a practical movement
Marx would laugh at you.

>>2665325
I love it when people break down and just start saying random bullshit

>>2665318
>he actually thinks this is true because a youtube video or /pol/ post said it
why is the right's epistemology so innately dogshit?

>>2665306
>>2665313
This argument, as always, misses the point of why communists are anti-electorialist. It's not about whether voting "works" (what does that even mean, anyway?) because it quite clearly does - if a candidate gets the most votes, they do in fact win - it's that neither result is of interest to us. The same reason democrats don't vote in republican primaries.

>>2665337
Then why are you here in this thread? Leave the electoralism to those that believe in it or find it interesting or worthwhile and go do whatever else you want to do. Some of us don't believe in leaving an avenue untouched when it is being actively utilized by the enemy to kill people.

>>2665296
False dichotomy. Voting for Democrats and trying to “push the party left” has been an utter failure.

>>2665343
Source?

>>2665343
>muh sneed
pffhahahahah you chanboard losers are so desperate to be cool

>>2665344
>Source?
<none
This is just the kind of shit said by ineffective holier-than-thou posters that want to justify why their specific ideological splinter sect makes them immune from the abject failures of their line of thinking.

>>2665322
the same marx who said communism is the practical real movement of proletarians acting in self interest? maybe try reading him instead of conjuring fanfiction

>>2665341
you are such a baby lmao

>>2665325
>>2665343
kill yourself

>>2665344
Other morons on 4chan

>>2665337
But surely the "right to work" legislation passing would interest you? Kneecapping the union movement which already had its legs broken by enterprise bargaining and deinstrialization.

>>2665351
>if I act holier than thou I don't have to know what I'm talking about
lmao wrong-o

>>2665341
>Leave the electoralism to those that believe in it
Communism isn't a matter of belief. At least you admit this is all mere ideological bullshit.

>>2665352
>the same marx who said communism is the practical real movement of proletarians acting in self interest?
You mean the enactment of a state of affairs that requires socialist action first? You might as well say that you don't care about how to win a race, only about being first past the finish line, which is nonsensical.

>>2665357
>Source?
<none

>>2665361
Even if you don't care about it, voting has real consequences. Many die due to political choices made in the United States.

>>2665362
>still being enough of an imageboard screenie to think repeating yourself is an own
Lemme guess, you're one of those braindead dipshits who just repeats shit like a toddler?

lmao typical groyper brain damage

>>2665367
It's hard not to repeat myself when you don't substantiate your claims or offer anything new.

>>2665370
>REEE YOU HAVE TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIMS
>REEEE MUH M-MUH DEBATE ME REEEEEEE
Why should I put in effort to debate a vibes dipshit?

>>2665015
see you tomorrow on leftypol.org anon. you might say you want to transcend this place but you always keep coming back.

>>2665370
>no source for what he says
<demands a source from others
groyper brain damage, again

>>2665356
>surely you'd care about electoralism if I bring up a single random law
People would probably get their point across if they just dropped the whole communism thing if all of their demands are regular bourgeois democratic rights, honestly.

>>2665362
Haha, sneaking the word socialist back in there? Is that your way to feel radical when you propose ordinary bourgeois rights?

>the "real movement" means voting
You're funny. Communism doesn't depend on legal rights.

>doing thing has consequences
No shit? The other poster already rebuked such a vague and abstract way of reasoning. Try harder.

Join the Socialist Equality Party and the International Committee of the Fourth International
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/01/24/ghkh-j24.html

>>2665015
You are a metaphysical idealist who believes:

>communism […] seeks to transcend bourgeois politics altogether

but Marx was a dialectical materialist who said:

<What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges.

- Karl Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme, 1875

>>2665344
Their DIY lobotomy.

>>2665378
>surely you'd care about electoralism if I bring up a single random law
>People would probably get their point across if they just dropped the whole communism thing if all of their demands are regular bourgeois democratic rights, honestly.
I doubt you're worth engaging with. It's not really necessary to take another country as an example, but in Australia which has a long well documented history of policy decisions that have effectively wiped out a moderately successful (by sectoral bargaining countries standards low at only 60%) union participation. In the US the union drive was effectively halted by Taft-Hartley (1947) and destroyed by neoliberalism, the later being a complex set of policies rather than just a single one. Unfortunately there's no beautiful graph of this as there is for the Australian case.

>>2665344
What did the deleted post say?

Let me spread my superior proletarian genes into their women (consensually)

>>2665011
You need a radical class first movement that defines itself as existing explicitly to benefit workers, understand and enforce what differentiates it from the democratic party and other leftist movements that serve the democratic party and viciously expel anyone who tries to subvert it. Like anyone who tries to take the cause from material benefit to workers to their pet social cause needs to be labeled a class traitor and kicked out. You have to stand on benefitting all workers regardless of whatever else they are, deliver actual material benefit and use that as way to attract more followers. If you don't do that they might as well join a leftist group that exists to serve the democratic party or some other leftist org that is incapable of actually delivering anything.

>>2665377
What do you want sourced?

chat is this poop puke or truth nuke

>>2665432
What are the significant forms of non class based oppression happening in the USA today? And please no 'disparate impact' level analysis where any material or social difference is assumed to be evidence of oppression or bigotry without any other qualifying evidence presented

>>2665454
oppression of native americans
oppression of the non-white immigrants

>>2665454
Racism? Trans and homophobia? The fact that the president is using ICE to kill people over deporting hispanics? A neo nazi rally took over an entire town because Trump said its legal black immigrants eat dogs.

>>2665458
>>2665457
Can you provide something concrete rather than just saying it exists? In what way are any of those groups oppressed and how is it more important than providing better conditions for everyone regardless of the groups they belong to?

>>2665454
women lost their reproductive rights already for one thing

black neighborhoods are more heavily policed and black people are given longer sentences for the same crime.

indigenous Americans lack sovereignty over their territories and the treaties for their reservations have been repeatedly violated without recompense

South American immigrants and South American US-born citizens are racially profiled targeted, detained under false pretenses (this has happened in thousands of documented cases since ICE was founded in 2003), and targeted for deportation even when they immigrate legally and have green cards. When detained ICE will just ignore their paperwork while they waste away in detainment and hope they opt for self-deportation.

Prisoners are made to do slave labor regardless of race in the US prison system. That slave labor is sold as wage labor but the wages are far below minimum wage, and prisoners are charged room and board for their stay in prison anyway, putting them thousands of dollars in debt when they are released on parole.

Poor people are oppressed even when they aren't proles, i.e. lumpenproles and heavily indebted petty bourgeoisie.

Homosexuals and trans people are discriminated against, as well as intersex people, though they are medically rare.

Asian people are discriminated against and treated as Chinese spies regularly.

Muslims are discriminated against and treated as terrorists regularly.

Sikhs are confused for Muslims and discriminated against.

Indigenous Americans are regularly confused for hispanics and also targeted by ICE for deportation.

And naturally the vast majority of the people mentioned above are also working class. So integrating them into the broader working class movement means acknowledging their unique concerns, not treating them as "distractions" or "pet issues."

Even Lenin and Stalin cared about minority nationalities in the former Russian empire.

>>2665461
Do you watch the news? Like at all?

>>2665032
Mods, permaban this anon.

>>2665461
I just mentioned several examples. People are being arrested for the crime of "looking mexican." Nazis terrorized the black population of Springfield because of the lie that Haitians eat pets and sacrifice animals for voodoo rituals and made no distinction between local African-Americans and Haitians because they didn't give a shit. Those within and tangential to the levers of power have been repeatedly exposed as harboring racial biases they wish to enact politically. Police brutality directed towards minorities is rising. LGBTQ protections are being erased by legislation. Native American treaties were never honored in full and continue to be overriden by local and federal governments via land seizures, unwanted state development, and the failure to rectify historical land-grabs. There's also a bunch of systemic issues (e.g., black-sounding names being upcharged for loans and other forms of financial assistance and declined more frequently for job offerings; increased harshness of sentencing for minorites despite performing the same crimes) that have been researched.

>how is it more important than providing better conditions for everyone regardless of the groups they belong to?
It's not that solving these is "more important." It's that they have to be solved at the same time as, and not instead or in lieu of, class issues. Failure to do this either results in capitalist absorption of the victory ("more black and trans CEOs and fighter pilots!") or supremacist absorption of the victory (socialism for whites, barbarism and tyranny for the racial / social underclass). A shocking amount of white supremacists are completely on-board with the promises of a socialist structure. They just want it to be for whites-only while everyone else is enslaved or deported.

I think that in a situation where you simply "solved" the economic and material / class problem, a lot of people would lose their racist / sexist / phobic predelections. However, I think a lot of people don't realize is that doing that is nigh impossible when too many people stand in your way of solving those problems *because* of those predelections. You can't do any collective union action, for example, if a multiracial worker base refuses to collectively bargain or collectively strike with other workers of different races.

>>2665462
>I for one am concerned with the sovereignty of native Americans
Please stop huffing hippie boomer farts you are getting wrecked for a reason
I just don't understand why any of this other than access to abortion should be the focus of a leftist organization. Most of it is not even actionable unless you count raising awareness or some shit as useful. I just can't believe this many leftists have allowed themselves to be psyopped this hard
>>2665471
>if a multiracial worker base refuses to collectively bargain or collectively strike with other workers of different races.
Any kind of racialism, sexism or whatever falls under pet issues and unacceptable antisocial behavior and gets you booted and labeled a traitor
>Failure to do this either results in capitalist absorption
That's the strongest argument I can see for it, but I think you just end up attracting more ethno narcissists or other group narcissists

>>2665476
>Any kind of racialism, sexism or whatever falls under pet issues and unacceptable antisocial behavior and gets you booted and labeled a traitor
The issue is that this lends itself easily to fractionalism and supremacist absorption of the victory. Who decides who the traitors are in a free-for-all environment? Either the most populous, or the most vicious.

This is actually precisely what happened when the white indentured underclass and black slaves bound together in an attempt to buck the plantation system. Whiteness was granted to the impoverished Irish, Germans, etc in exchange for ensuring that African slaves were treated as a subhuman underclass. Fractionalism was used to perpetuate systemic brutality.

Failure to solve these problems in the modern era is how you wind up with things like Latinos signing up with ICE to brutalize other citizens. Everyone wants to be part of the club and the only way to put together an "alternative" club is to demonstrate care for and solutions to the injustices and discomforts that they face daily.

Dengists and radlibs take up 50% of the board with endless bullshit threads about China’s socialist stock market or the “novel” idea to push the Democrats left thru DSA type politics

>>2665482
I'm not advocating for a free for all environment, I'm advocating for an organization that doesn't permit any kind of identity based fractionalism. So I suppose the answer is a leader or the core group at the center of the organization.

>>2665487
>I'm not advocating for a free for all environment, I'm advocating for an organization that doesn't permit any kind of identity based fractionalism.
What I'm saying, though, is that the shifting, murky moments of "we should do something" is the free-for-all environment in which those initial problems are at their strongest.

What if the chosen head of this burgeoning labor movement believes that part of the reason why his wages are so low is because imported Mexicans drive down wages, and thus he chooses to exclude his Mexican coworkers, legal or not, from his movement? Not only does this weaken the potential base of support for labor power in this instance, it also, just as was the case for the decline in organized interracial plantation revolts, introduces a weakness that capitalists can use to subsume the movement by "allying" against a common "enemy" to ensure permanent erasure of that potential labor block, potentially followed by others ("say, friend, you were quite right about the Mexicans—but have you considered the blacks are ruining your labor prospects as well?")

This is happening in the US right now, today. A farm strike could cripple the US instantly, but it will never happen because farmers detest immigrant farmhands due to capitalist propaganda and are unwilling to grant them the protections, solidarity, and wages needed for labor action to become possible.

>>2665494
I can understand your position at least. I know that Amazon has had memos about diverse workplaces being less likely to unionize and something similar from CATO. So division between groups does seem to be exploited and it would make sense as to why you would want to combat that. But it seems to me like intersectionalism has been coopted to justify group spoil systems or to point to various victories for group x, y, z rather than accomplishments with wider benefit

here are three basic principles the ought to guide american left electoral politics:
1. anti-imperialism. divest from war industry and oppose all foreign intervention.
2. electoral reform. dismantle the electoral college and two-party duopoly. push for increased legislation by referendum, end gerrymandering, etc.
3. consumer debt and rent cancellation.

these three principles are in the broad interests of both the working masses and the advanced sections of the worker's movement. to the degree that communists engage with the american electoral system, it should be to support candidates and form organizations which uphold these principles, and to obstruct the efforts of those candidates and organizations that do not.

>>2665032
>Mamdani-ites, etc, are the first stage of turning the democratic party into a leftist party and are not to be discounted.
you need to be banned

>>2665500
>But it seems to me like intersectionalism has been coopted to justify group spoil systems or to point to various victories for group x, y, z rather than accomplishments with wider benefit
It absolutely is; that's part of the rhetoric that capitalists use to turn those victories into parts of their system. That's bad, but abandoning those aspects to capitalism also ruins any leftwards movement in a society like the United States.

What both capitalists and now fascists in the US understand is that you can't "un-melt" the pot anymore, at least not right now. Many of them still *want* to, but you can't. Non-whites are going to be around, they're millions upon millions of people, and any sort of systemic slaughter or removal of *all* of them would be untenable, especially since many of them are now in the positions that would do the removing, and who removes the removers?

Instead, they are attempting to make sure that their movements have the legitimacy of the varied masses. This is why you have Andrew Tate, Sneako, and Fresh and Fit, all minorities, following around the current face of online Nazism in the form of a mixed-race Mexican with the last name Fuentes who has utterly failed to beat the homo allegations. They're letting anyone in, because "just white people" is no longer enough to advance the cause. Of course, as is the case with all fascism, this alliance will only last as long as there is an Other to band together against, at which point natural supremacist tendencies will take over again and the movement will splinter, but they're making the correct call for the times, and it's working.

By working towards erasing racial / social tension while simultaneously building class solidarity, the amount of leveragable social power increases; this is the argument of intersectionality as a whole and it can be broadened in a class sense as well by examining in what ways people are closer to the labor power base despite other circumstances they may find themselves in.

For instance, the intersectionalist may argue that to lump all workers together as "workers" and all owners / petite bourgeoisie in another category as helpful. Joe, the 50 year old owner of the five-person business Joe's Plumbing that he runs out of his trailer, will likely be more subject to, and thus cognizant of and sympathetic to the ramifications of, the concerns of the economically oppressed than a highly-paid tech or finance worker. Similarly, a landlord who owns and lives in an inner city townhouse that is surrounded by poverty and police brutality will likely be subject to more socioeconomic stressors than a renter who lives in a cushy gated community. It's all about identifying tensions between those most likely to sympathize and ally with a labor movement and removing those tensions to whatever degree is possible in order to ensure a maximally-strong, minimally-exploitable mass movement.

>>2665515
>For instance, the intersectionalist may argue that to lump all workers together as "workers" and all owners / petite bourgeoisie in another category as helpful.
is unhelpful*

>>2665032
Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8.

>>2665011
>>2665032
R/ultraleft material right here.

>>2665476
the greentext you attributed to >>2665462 isn't an actual quote and you ignored like 95% of the points they made

>>2665454
racism and anticommunism often go hand in hand

>>2665032
Please say syke

>>2665011
their victory in NYC is “proof” more progressive Democratic candidates can win
the Blackwater Zio-nazi Graham Platner is also a recipient of this DSA social fascist euphoria:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/zohran-mamdani-and-graham-platner-share-a-strategist-who-wants-to-overhaul-the-democrats-with-beer-and-zyn-and-true-belief

>>2665032
>co-opting the democratic party
wot if we reversed Nixon's Southern strategy, make the Republican party the party of the working class waging war against the Jeffrey Epstein class of pedo slave owners like during the Civil War lol
>Remember when everyone thought the Tea Party was going to be a flash in the pan?
dogbrain liberal doesn't know it was astrotured by billionaires lol

>>2665316
>incomprehensible
the British version of "libertarian socialism" is the new overlord presiding over the genocide in Palestine:
https://socialistworker.co.uk/news/war-criminal-tony-blair-returns-as-trumps-colonial-official-in-gaza/
when socialists like Bernie Sanders soyface at ICE for checking peoples globalist ID cards, he is doing what Tony Blair dreams of: enforcing a New World Order where everyone alive is surveilled by these ID card obsessed PMC (is he the anti-Christ? have you taken the Mark of the Beast, anons? NEVER WRITE YOUR TRUE NAME ON VOTING DOCUMENTS)

And? Fighting ICE in the streets won't do shit to trigger a revolution. For one thing, America doesn't have anything close to the infrastructure needed to sustain a revolution. Way too many people are living paycheck-to-paycheck and they can't take a few days off work to protest. Healthcare is tied to employment in America, so if you get injured and need medical help yet you're unemployed and uninsured you're fucked. And ICE? They have guns. The cops have guns. The military has guns. They'll kill anyone who attempts to overthrow the government. At this point, voting for the lesser evil is the only thing we can do.

Step 1: Stay in your containment thread

>>2665032
damn
anon really said "let me demonstrate what OP is talking about"

>>2665432
>imperial core settler
Stopped reading, retard multipolaroid lmao

>>2665011
Democratic party is american left.

>>2665011
Abandon and eliminate electoralism as a whole for one.

>>2665011
>saw how the protests against the Iraq War failed to do what the Vietnam War protests accomplished in the 60s
those didnt do much either

>>2666147
Why do the words "imperial core" and "settler" trigger you? Would you preffer if leftists didnt acknowledge the existence of imperialism and settler colonialism?

>>2666220
I prefer marxist analysis

>>2666225
"Imperial core" is marxist analysis tho

>>2665334
>epistemology
erm chuddy thats philosophy and marx was very critical of it so that means communists should never engage in that stuff o algo

>>2666241
Proof?

>>2665432
>>2665454
I think it's wrong to consider identity oppressions "non-class based", because if you're rich enough you can avoid them. A proletarian woman is expected to have a job, raise a kid, feed her family, and do a majority of the housework. A bourgeois woman can simply hire a maid, doordash every meal, and have a lucrative career or not depending on her whims. A black man from a poor area will be profiled as "gang-affiliated" just based on family and neighborhood ties, railroaded into jail, and once out may have work requirements that force him to take the first job available and not leave when working conditions are bad, pay is low, wages are stolen, etc., might not be able to vote, might have debt to the prison that compounds interest and for which the state garnishes wages, etc. A bourgeois black man avoids all of this, and his worst oppression is that the guys at the country club make offensive jokes.

Within the proletariat there are strata, and these are influenced heavily by identities like race, sex, and nationality, among others. If we attack and alleviate certain policies that keep some proletarians down based on one of these identities, we are attacking the exploitation of the working class. Just like if we form a union and strike for better conditions. It doesn't raise up all the working class at once, but it does alleviate some of the oppression bit by bit. It also equalizes things within the working class, making it easier for us to unite. Right now it's hard for a white person, without intentionally educating themselves on these systems, to understand and feel solidarity with the level of oppression that non-whites face. It's difficult for men to unite with women when women's extra labor allows their comfort. So both in the communist spirit of serving the most exploited and oppressed, and out of practical necessity, the systems and cultural norms that enforce these divides within the working class need to be attacked by communists. The division of the working class into strata, some higher and some lower, makes traitors of those in higher strata, or at best makes them comfortable and slow to act in solidarity with the more oppressed strata. This is just the reality. White men tend to be more conservative, and black women the least. As soon as we situate this fact in the context of these real differences in situation created by our capitalist masters, it stops being liberal idpol that sees the identities as the root cause of the differences and exalts certain identities, and becomes something necessary for honest marxist materialists to deal with in our practical struggle for the liberation of our class.

>>2665011
Make demands so extreme that the Democrats don't want to deal with you anymore.