/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Labor wing of the democratic party

most of these legacy parties are 20th century relics
its futile trying to re-ignite them

It’s an FBI op, just like every militia, gun club, university, Klan chapter, CPUSA, and Nation of Islam

>>2668018
Forgot new black panthers.

Have you seen how asshurt they are cuz bunch of black kids decided to arm themselves and defend immigrants while using their name? Black Panthers were a cross-race movement, the new party is black separatist glowops.

>>2667924
The Dickriding Servants of amerika is nit a party, but a fascist corporation, as stipulated by article 1 of their fascist constitution.
https://www.dsausa.org/about-us/constitution/
>Article I. Name The name of this organization shall be the Democratic Socialists of America, a not-for-profit corporation.

>>2668026
They're fascist because they're socdems. Irrelevant what they think of burgergrad

>>2668025
Aren’t New Black Panthers an NOI splinter?

im probably being too optimistic but they seem decent-ish? I haven't gotten involved with them personally so i cant really say.

>>2668033
It’s not a party, it’s chapter dependent

>>2668025
OG black panthers had a lot of retard rightoids too tho

>>2668056
Name one outside of Eldridge Cleaver

>>2668059
Aaron Dixon
bill o neal

>>2668059
>They're fascist because they're socdems.
Chyna?!

They exist for you to join them for the opportunity to get laid by leftist arthoes

Is it true that the DSA is gonna run candiates for the 2028 national election or is that LARP

they exist to vindicate the social-fascist theory as formulated by Stalin, thats it

>>2668033
yes, most of the members are actually quite principled and do good work. Also despite what this board thinks the vast majority of the DSA aren't socdems

>>2668035
It behaves like a party in all but name. It only lacks a separate ballot line but thats not what makes a party. Most parties in europe run on a chapter style formation.

>>2668502
Yes the goal is to run someone for 2028, obviously not expecting to win but mostly to build more mass appeal and publicity for the party

Why do they exist?
Historically necessary. DSA is the "historic party" in the usa today, after the mass period of cpusa ended and after the new left / sds / new communist movement dissolved.

What do they do?
Patiently build forces for world revolution.

Who are their allies, who are their enemies?
Allies; world communist and socialist parties,
enemies: the state, sects and other fake socialists. (socialism is an organized political movement, not an identity)

What is this caucus thing?
dsa has several well developed factions that are basically parties within a party. DSA is practically a united front of these orgs.

Is BlackRedGuard truly the secret leader of it all?
no

What are their objectives, their tendencies, their strategy, their tactics?
doing lib shit enough to get access to working class masses, establish socialist hegemony over workers movement,

>>2667924
DSA is the form the real movement takes under neoliberalism.
Individualized, very low commitment, disorganized and resistant to theory or a coherent political program.
Its leaders will look you in the eye and earnestly tell you that individually lobbying a city council to spend its budget on on public services is somehow "building working class power."
Ultralefts or Stalinites can totally join and agitate the members, you won't get kicked out right away but you probably won't make much of a difference

>Why do they exist?
To be the principal political outlet of settler labor and downwardly-mobile petty bourgeois that comprise the left wing of imperialism and fascism. By all accounts, even their own, predominately white gentrified communities comprise their principal social base.
>Who are their allies
Social fascists anywhere.
>who are their enemies
The workers of the world.
>What is this caucus thing?
A liberal form of organizational democracy which enables opportunists of all stripes to paint the wider organization as whatever they want it to be. Each caucus serves as another mask the organization can put on when convenient while staying well within Kautskyite liberal respectability.
>Is BlackRedGuard truly the secret leader of it all?
Nah he's just another quasi-trotskyist e-celeb who just decided it wasn't worth pretending he was anything else anymore.
>What are their objectives
To redistribute the spoils of imperialism more "equitably" while maintaining imperialism internally and externally under the command of the settler labor aristocracy and petty bourgeoisie, rather than the big bourgeoisie as it exists today.
>their tendencies
As I mentioned earlier, the principal ideology in command of the organization is Kautskyism.
>their strategy, their tactics?
Not meaningfully distinct from any other part of the Democratic Party-dominated nonprofit industrial complex or revisionist "socialist" organizations.

>>2667924
To block the real movement

>>2667924
>DSA anons, enlighten me.
I'm a new DSA anon. I'll answer as best as I can
>Why do they exist?
It's a little complicated. It ultimately came out of the old Socialist Party of America splitting into 3 organizations: Social Democrats, USA (SDUSA), Socialist Party USA (after initially splitting as the "Debs Caucus")(SPUSA), and the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee (DSOC). The latter group was led by Michael Harrington after splitting from the SPA as the "Coalition Caucus". The split began from friction within the SPA over 2 questions that ripped Leftist orgs apart during the '60s: what demands to make in regards to the Vietnam War, and whether to base organizing primarily around unions and labor or college students and political activists. However, Harrington and his faction split primarily because of the broader SPA's ambivalence towards George McGovern. It's kind of funny that it was just more "vote blue no matter who" shit at a glance, but looking deeper into the context of it, it's equal parts tragedy and farce for all sides, except for the Debs Caucus, which is just tragedy imo. I can explain more in a later post.
<Why do they still exist???
Mostly luck. It was always a New York org and NYC still manages to be one of the biggest cities in the US with residents connected to many parts of the world. To be more cynical, it was probably also because it was the farthest Left organization that affiliated so closely with the Democrats and somehow managed to survive with a modicum of independence and didn't have "Communist" in its name. To be more pessimistic, it was because Bernie Sanders' 2016 campaign popularizing the word "Democratic Socialism" and the general surge in interest in Socialism at that time was predicated on Right wingers defining it for the Leftists. In other words, the problems we're seeing with Leftism in the US is that "Socialism" became popular to a lot of people, but at a time when the overton window shifted farther to the Right. Nevertheless, it's the biggest Leftist org in the US, for all the good and bad that is.
>What do they do?
Depends on the chapter. They could range from college town people trying to have a socialist study group to mid-size city activists attempting labor organizing or running for offices. It's still a 100,000 member org in a country with 330 million people and you must pay dues to be a member, so mileage will vary. The NYC DSA is the biggest chapter, and the only one that's built itself an honest to god machine in the City. Zohran beating Cuomo for mayor was a testament to that and why the DSA is making such a huge deal about it.
>Who are their allies, who are their enemies?
Well, they're a member of the Progressive International and associated with the Sao Paulo Forum. It's a start as far as defining allies go. Besides maybe Republicans, they don't really name enemies much, at least not in national-level rhetoric.
>What is this caucus thing?
Pic related. It's been a way for people to organize around single issues and ideological tendencies within the DSA (the scale of the latter which is the biggest deal about the DSA right now imo). Since the DSA only has a National and Chapter level of organization, the caucuses have been a de-facto second tier of organization within, since it allows closer coordination between people across different chapters.
>Is BlackRedGuard truly the secret leader of it all?
lol He needs to enforce cracker control on the DSA as soon as possible.
>What are their objectives, their tendencies, their strategy, their tactics?
Get people elected, otherwise picrel. I joined the DSA because right now it's got the most promise of all the socialist orgs in the US to be a socialist party, or at least be a precursor to one. I think the shift towards various socialist and marxist tendencies organizing as factions within is actually a promising sign of a recovering socialist movement in the US, and if nothing else, will at least serve as a forum for those tendencies that would be the foundation of a reconstituted Socialist-Labor movement. Still, it's absolutely not without its problems, and at that ones that could fuck all this shit up in the short, medium or long term.

One of the biggest questions sorting out the factions on "Left-Right" lines is still how to deal with the Democrats/Liberals. As you can see in the pics, the only caucus that explicitly endorses realignment for the DNC is North Star, and those old Harringtonites have 0 presence at the National level. However, it's a useful rule of thumb to assume everyone acts Right farther than they talk Left; People that talk "party-surrogate" are more likely and often to act "realignment", and so on. I'm part of Marxist Unity Group, and while I wholly agree with its platform, I constantly flip-flop between "clean-" and "dirty-break" in a given situation.

This is where Zohran comes in to the picture. The 2025 National Convention for the DSA was a fairly firm success for the left-wing factions, who are trying to operate as a coalition, and even managed to vote to end the DSA's ban on democratic centralism. However, as all of this came to pass last year, Zohran's runaway success running against Cuomo as a Democrat candidate for NYC mayor breathed A LOT of life back into the "Party Surrogate/Realignment" wing of politics. At its worst, it's tempting people to slip back into thinking that all the problems with the Democrats are because of the old people in charge, and if we just get more young people to push them out of office, the DNC will somehow be more partisan and principled social-liberals. Even if Zohran really wants to attempt Sewer Socialism in New York, there's going to be hard limits to fund any development projects, and politically, the DSA still has only a small presence in the NY City Council, so Zohran won't be able to rely on the local Legislative branch to exert independent political leverage as a DSA politican. People on the Left are still drawn towards short, easy strategies, and the fixation on running people for Executive offices, and the New York mayorship eclipsing all other politics in the DSA is emblematic of that. I just know for a fact that when Zohran inevitably runs into a real hard snag or turns face on some kind of social issue, the capitalist media, vultures that they are, will be putting all the spotlights on it, and people on the Left will likely take all the wrong answers from it. If we're going to pursue electoral strategies, we should be thinking in terms of getting as many socialists into Legislative offices at all levels (but especially at the State level) before we start thinking about getting people in Executive offices.

All this brings me back to the National Political Committee and the general state of politics in the DSA. The DSA-Right is still too attached to merely wanting to change the Democratic Party, but they're also more focused on domestic politics and more likely to propose domestic policy. I sympathize with the DSA-Left but they're remarkably weak on domestic and internal politics even though there's plenty to be the Left wing of; instead, much of their focus is on foreign policy (that's slipping into stupid campism, anyway).

Another thing that's going to be annoying for the foreseeable future is that the DSA is trying to brownnose the PSL and Neville Roy Singham and his orgs, and caucuses have ostracized DSA members for being outspoken critics of either of the two. The former's putting the DSA in a situation where certain chapters, if given a choice between a local PSL cell or a Food Not Bombs, is more inclined to buddy up with the PSL guys, and in the case with Singham and co., opening the door to Dengist China apologia. I'm absolutely certain it's because the DSA, especially after the success of Zohran, is now in a frantic chase for more sources of money beyond the membership dues, likely to pursue more expensive electoral campaigns, probably for Federal level offices or something. It's actually understandable that they'd be chasing money like this, though. Just a couple years ago, the DSA narrowly avoided a bankruptcy crisis, so my guess is the people involved before and since that time went through a big wake up call to make sure funds are raised by any means short of an open pyramid scheme. Still, just because it's understandable doesn't mean I don't think it's a foolish long-term decision.

Anyone who claims these people are FBI or CIA agents is being deliberately retarded, they are Western leftists in their most base form, meaning unlikeable dorks.

>>2694258
Most accurate take so far.

>>2696886
Decadant degenerate sex pests and mutant freaks.
They are leftists indeed, leftism is liberalism and nothing more, rightism is also liberalism for the most part.

There's good people in the DSA unfortunately the organization is shackled to the NGO industrial complex.
While full of revolutionaries in some of the smaller chapters, they are dwarfed by the menshivik reformist from Njew York City and elsewhere.
The low barrier of entry is also a problem and idiot off the street can join. So it leads to chapters reflecting the outside idealized form of the DSA, which to many is a DNC endorsement machine.
I've seen small principled chapter get ruined by this a few times.
Ultimately it's a shitty organization that you should join link up with actually socialists then poach them to a true revolutionary project.

>>2696895
The sex pest thing is a huge problem.
I've seen so many officers recalled due to it. They are also all transhumanists so make with it what you will.

>>2696886
>>2696895
>>2696903
Cool it with the chud dialogue
>>2696902
>Ultimately it's a shitty organization that you should join link up with actually socialists then poach them to a true revolutionary project.
Sounds like a good idea on paper, what will be your revolutionary project? What are you poaching to exactly? Do you have the resources to retain the poached, and to maintain your project?

>>2696904
>Cool it with the chud dialogue
Is making observations chud dialog now?
>>2696904
>Sounds like a good idea on paper, what will be your revolutionary project?
ACP

>>2696923
Hehe funny gif felllw comrader, heres some lefty pol gold labour toke , don't spend it all in one place!

>>2696886
How the fuck do people intend on building a socialist revolution when they can't even handle people clapping in a room?

>>2696902
>So it leads to chapters reflecting the outside idealized form of the DSA, which to many is a DNC endorsement machine.
wasnt it literally designed for this

>>2697003
>How the fuck do people intend on building a socialist revolution
they dont

they shepherd people into the democratic party by advocating national socialism

>>2696886
>Anyone who claims these people are FBI or CIA agents is being deliberately retarded, they are Western leftists in their most base form, meaning unlikeable dorks.
a big chunk of "western leftism" is literally designed by glowuyghurs, nobody thinks the actual base are all feds because there is literally no need for that if the organization is designed to only work for democrat entryism

The DSA represents not merely squandered opportunity but active containment. That is, revolutionary energy captured and metabolized by bourgeois institutions, social rupture transformed into Democratic Party respectability, mass discontent channeled into electoral channels that reproduce the very conditions producing that discontent. This critique is severe because the stakes are severe… at a moment of unprecedented capitalist crisis, with both parties hemorrhaging legitimacy and decentralized vanguard capacity growing without political coordination, the DSA functions as a shock absorber rather than revolutionary accelerator.

The Democratic Party connection is not tactical error but structural function. The DSA's electoral orientation requires institutional access that the Democratic Party controls; this dependency produces compliance that no individual virtue can overcome. The "left flank" strategy…pushing Democrats leftward through primary challenges first assumes the DNC is a party capable of transformation, ignoring the material reality that Democratic Party infrastructure is owned by capital, its nomination processes controlled by donor networks and complex superdelegate mechanisms. Its policy orientation is determined by the same class interests the DSA claims to oppose. The result is very predictable. DSA elected officials moderate on command, support imperial budgets, abandon transformative demands, and the membership is told this is "pragmatism" rather than ideal. The DSA does not transform the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party transforms the DSA, consuming its energy and spitting back career politicians who speak radical language while administering ways to soften the blow of the old world capitalism's decline.

Their lack of revolutionary politics is not absence of a correct political line but the absence of organizational intelligence adequate to contemporary social conditions. The DSA's membership is trained in parliamentary procedure, electoral strategy, and social democratic history; useful skills for governance of capitalist stability, but on their own they are irrelevant for revolutionary transformation. What is absent in the DSA and most of the left in USA is a spreading of security culture for operating under surveillance, base area infrastructure for material autonomy, distributed coordination for political persistence through repression (vs just adapting to the demands of the institutions in order to gain access), the mass line for connecting with real working-class communities beyond the higher educated strata of academia. The DSA organizes the already organized, the graduate student and the nonprofit worker, while the decentralized vanguard grows in territories the DSA cannot see; precarious workers, undocumented communities, the rural and suburban poor, the spaces where capitalist hegemony is experienced as catastrophe rather than inconvenience.

This is the crucial moment. Both parties losing ground and respect; the Republican Party transforming into something ungovernable, the Democratic Party revealed as incapable of addressing material crisis; the space opening for something else, something that neither party should be left to capture. The decentralized vanguard is growing; mutual aid networks, rank-and-file militancy, community defense formations, the infrastructure of survival and resistance that emerges when state and visibly capital fail the peoples needs. But this growth lacks a clear determined political wing; no coordinated electoral strategy, no true institutional access, no protection against the repression that will intensify. The DNC waits to capture this energy, to redirect rupture into respectability, and to transform survival into campaign slogans and ballots.

The DSA's role must shift or it will function as that capture mechanism for the DNC. The shift requires
separation from Democratic Party infrastructure. Not gradual disaffiliation but structural independence; resource autonomy, legal separation, the capacity to operate when Democratic Party access is withdrawn. The political wing must be genuinely political, not merely electoral; they must be capable of negotiation, pressure, and confrontation without dependency on bourgeois institutional permission.
Training in revolutionary theory and practice not purely academic Marxism but overall operational intelligence; security culture, base area development, distributed coordination of labor efforts, support for revolutionary praxis, the mass line as proper investigative method of working class issues that need something well beyond reform. The membership must be capable of operating under conditions of surveillance and repression, of maintaining organization when legality is withdrawn, of persisting through the long periods when electoral victory feels impossible.

The connection between DSA and decentralized movements already exists in practice without being theorized as such, visible to analysis that looks beyond formal affiliation. The 2020 uprisings found DSA members in the streets, in mutual aid formations, in the networks that sustained rebellion after the initial surge and yet this participation occurred through personal capacity rather than organizational direction, through chapter initiative rather than national strategy, through relationships built in struggle rather than structures designed for it. The DSA provided bodies without coordination, presence without persistence, solidarity without strategy.

The same pattern recurs through recent history, DSA members active in Occupy, in Ferguson solidarity, in Standing Rock, in post George Floyd organizing, in abortion access networks, in tenant unions, always present, never decisive, participating without leading, supporting without transforming. The connection is real but parasitic; the decentralized movements provide energy and direction; the DSA uses the energy to capture electoral focus when the rupture's visible moment subsides. The movement's gains are not consolidated; the DSA's capacity is not transformed and remains stagnant, and dependent on the DNC.

The rupturing moments reveal the DSA's structural inadequacy precisely through this pattern of participation. When decentralized coordination achieves what centralized organization cannot such as rapid scaling, tactical innovation, persistence through repression, the DSA observes without learning, participates without adapting, returns to predictable form when the moment passes. The 2020 uprisings demonstrated distributed vanguard capacity growing without political wing; the DSA demonstrated political wing presence without solid proper revolutionary integration. There were direct results from this, such as limited yet existing restraints on policing; people directly avoided arrest with their people in power. This is what led to a lot of bots attacking liberal city policing in comments online, in a COIN disinfo operation to push back against this. So now imagine what would happen if a revolutionary party captured energy in this manner?


other things to consider

>>Post-2020, DSA has been debating whether to prioritize electoral work (running candidates as Democrats) versus movement building (decentralized organizing, labor militancy, direct action)

>>80% of delegates voted to "Act Like an Independent Party" building distinct organizing infrastructure while retaining flexibility to use Democratic ballot lines when needed


I even read an article over the last 7 years, from I forget which city, somewhere in USA; a progressive prosecutor or DA directly refused to arrest a network of "anarchists". The feds and police were literally quoted in the wall street journal or new york times saying that his office wouldn't work with them on these cases. The entire article was about "political violence" rising in their locality, and the DA being seen as their "usher" to safe operations. Much of this seems like conservative conspiracy, but i find it interesting the main stream media would release such an article; perhaps it demonstrates their fear of decentralized movements - political wing connections?

I'm sorry I cant source this, as it's an older article from trumps first term and I forget which city or region it was about.

>>2697110
Some solid points of critique.
But some decentralized project won't usurp the movement.
What is needed is a strong communist party, the closest thing is the ACP unfortunately.
I can't imagine your average spanish catholic immigrant joining the DSA and having to learn neoprpnouns and do land acknowledgements.
The ACP is purely for economic gains for the workers, that's the only thing that will speak to those that are not currently politically engaged.

>>2697090
Perhaps if that's the case then it does it's job

>>2668096
>Aaron Dixon
You mean this guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Dixon

>>2697100
They provided some funding and dismantled most of the competent groups in the 50's and 1960's, but those movements eventually became their own thing. The CIA recognized that they could be a useful force in undermining leftism and it worked. no one takes them seriously, they struggle to appeal to the working class and In the rare instances when some factions turned to violence, they literally blew themselves up. If I were a CIA spook, I’d consider the New-Left the most effective tool for weakening communism and socialism in the West, because their actions and mere existence did more to damage socialism's image than decades of right-wing propaganda ever could.

>>2697134
>>But some decentralized project won't usurp the movement

This is the point I am making. To put it simply, decentralized movements in materialist analysis can be understood as the vanguard's necessary adaption to modern conditions; but no clear revolutionary political wing with potential exists to serve the role of the political wing of this distributed vanguard.

The theoretical problem emerges as mass movement energy requires political form for consolidation of revolutionary energy into political power. The "political wing" concept attempts to address this through structural duality in relation to the distributed vanguard. The DSA finds itself in an interesting position to shift towards this, i already gave the material reasons for that.

>>2694258
>>2694403
>>2697110
>>2697151
Okay so what do i do/join?

>>2697622
Le ICP

>>2697622

That depends on how many trusted people with like minded goals that stand by you. I'm not exactly how we can consolidate all of these political parties into a single new united front that uses the DSAs success a platform to transcend into a revolutionary political party. It's also a hard task to get much of the left to realize that the vanguard's formation in modern neo-liberal society is a decentralized form, let alone have them all realize it's existence in said form does not negate it's ability to maintain a connection to the party front. This isn't an ideal, it's a reality rendered by the material conditions of the landscape.

>>2697634
I don't really know what my goals would even be. I'm pretty normie so I'm nowhere near as knowledgeable as the lot of you guys. If you have ideas for the texas region i'll try to do em.

>>2697639

Who is the most at-risk and unsafe of the working class in your direct communities vicinity, and what skills could you and your friends offer to share and build with these said groups?

For instance, say gay men have experienced assaults downtown, and you know boxing. You can use your connections and knowledge to create a center, not necessarily physical to train them, to build their bodies up. Beyond physical training, you can have infoshares that break down theories and book topics like a reading group; similarly to how the church does so with the bible without having to scan through the book in it's entirety.

Then when the time arises, and self-defense is needed, whether political or not, you have just given more people the skills and knowledge that may appear into the realm of struggle in moments that require such skills.

this is just like i said.. a small single answer with the same logic applied to varying examples and ideas. If there's any formidable local organizations, determine the skills members lack by interacting with them, and determine which amount of those skills you can share with said members.

social club and that's a GOOD thing