/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Even if they didn't get funded by the CIA they would still be retarded academics who discuss the most irrelevant minutia of capitalist society: ideology and the many forms it takes.

>how much hate the guy gets online from other academics and podcasters/commentators
Yeah I wouldn't put any weight at all to such parasites. Not that I know whether Gabriel Rockhill isn't just another one or not.

>>2668549
He cites some FOIA documents that he got declassified as well as research done by journalists to show how Arendt or Marcuse had direct ties with intelligence, and in exchange for the monetary benefits they received they were meant to disavow Marxism and even their previous writings. This to me is one of the more important facets of his book because it also specifically mentions how French theorists like Foucault and Deleuze also took this poison pill; which to me is hard to believe because many of my Uni friends who dickride Deleuze (for example) consider themselves to be radicals. But, like you said, splitting hairs and creating parallel structures of analysis seems like it is used mainly to create rifts within left politics to take attention from dialectical materialism.

>>2668562
Foucault only quit whatever communist party he was in because his peers were homophobic and Deleuze only had good things to say about Marx until his accidental death, but at the end of the day they were still only philosophers.

>splitting hairs and creating parallel structures of analysis seems like it is used mainly to create rifts within left politics to take attention from dialectical materialism
First off, "dialectical materialism" is not a thing. The dialectic is literally just science. Also, the reason is far baser than that, it's just academics trying to carve their own niche so they can maintain their career publishing texts and selling bullshit books.

I find myself agreeing more and more with what Marx had to say about philosophy (in few words: "philosophy is religion rendered into thought and hence to be condemned") whenever I encounter philosophycels online.

>>2668562
I don't think it'd be fair to say that EVERY philosopher who gets lumped in with "poststructuralism" or "Continental philosophy" even (both meaningless arbitrary categories) is a CIA op but there are a few like Marcuse and Arendt who almost certainly were at least indirectly enabled by the CIA.

t. Deleuze dickrider

Yes it's known that the CIA funded leftists

>>2668623
Read Marcuse's wikipedia, he was literally employed by the intel agency that preceded the CIA. He was a glowie.

>>2668625
I've hardly engaged with Marcuse or most "poststructuralism" and Frankfurt School stuff beyond Deleuze and Benjamin because most of it is useless crypto-liberal obscurantism but that's fucking hilarious

>>2668532
From his lectures and stuff he's pretty based, tho I haven't read his books yet.

>but man I was shocked by how much hate the guy gets online from other academics and podcasters/commentators
Not surprising tbh

>>2668532
Chomsky

He said on YouTube at one point the typical "The CIA understood that Stalin wasn't a dictator! Even they admit it!" claim that people who learn history exclusively from Twitter memes make, so I flagged him at that point as someone without any real credibility.

>>2668625
Yeah, during WW2, fighting nazism.

>>2668562
>Arendt
the cia need to pay her? lel

>>2668625
the OSS? very weird time period for american intelligence where you'd have the OSS working with communists in China and Vietnam while more or less open fascists like Charles Willoughby were doing intelligence work in the Phillipines and Papua new guinea.





>>2696029
there's a discussion to be had about Stalin being a bonapartist but I always found the great man theory view that he was ruling like somesort of personalist absolute monarch to not only be ahistorical but also not really get how modern states function in general. Even fascist leaders like hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW that did try personalist rule in the modern era immediately faced internal opposition from the power blocs that put them there as well as sabotage there own State in the process.

>>2696035
libs are so chopped for having there supposed "anti-authoritarian" theorist be a segregationist having a situationship with Heidegger

>>2696063
>there's a discussion to be had about Stalin being a bonapartist but I always found the great man theory view that he was ruling like somesort of personalist absolute monarch to not only be ahistorical but also not really get how modern states function in general.
My post had nothing to do with Stalin's actual position in power and everything with what the CIA at the time thought it was. There's a document of testimony from a Soviet informant given TO the CIA that people who learn history from internet memes have convinced themselves was actual some statement by CIA higher-ups about the organization's opinion, when the document itself says otherwise.

>>2696063
Also even the most perfect autocracy is going to in practice be ruled by some sort of collective leadership of ministers, generals, etc. Every autocrat has an inner circle of advisors and confidants that they collaborate with when making decisions. Even Hitler, despite his infallibility being enshrined in German law by the Fuhrerprincip, made decisions collectively alongside Goring, Himmler, Goebbels, the OKW, etc. The CIA document about collective leadership of the politburo is just meant to clarify the fact that Stalin was not a literal God King as their propaganda depicted him. However even the way the described him in that document (as "captain of the team") is still perfectly consistent with how all autocracies operate in practice.

>>2696072
>The CIA document about collective leadership of the politburo is just meant to clarify the fact that Stalin was not a literal God King as their propaganda depicted him.
The CIA document was not some creation of the CIA to remind their own agents, it was a statement by an informant trying to explain to the CIA that their understanding was wrong. There are plenty of other internal CIA documents saying that Stalin was a deranged megalomaniac God figure from the same time period.

>>2668621
>Philosophy and the study of the actual world have the same relation to one another as onanism and sexual love
Philosonanists btfo.