/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

libertarians are losers who want corporations to stomp on your neck instead of the government

I personally know a surprising amount of US Libertarians who later became communists (of both anarcho- and Leninist schools). There is a clear overlap of values. Many lolberts have legitimate grievances, and if they are able to recognize that capitalism is the root cause of many of them, there is no reason they can't feel the chain around their ankle.

Interesting case study: vidrel, ff to last chapter (23:35) - a lolbert militia group training alongside Redneck Revolt after Unite da Right showed them who they were standing next to.

Of course, there are also to the scum who think liberty is individualist abandoment of social responsibility - the petite-booj crying about basic health and safety regulation, for example.

>>2677185
Ron Paul and his son might be the only two politicians in the US who actually oppose imperialism, so there's that.

on the whole i would just say: be civil. discuss points of agreement and ignore the rest where you know you're going to go back and forth in circles. instead of trying to convert them, try to shift their position to be more agreeable on the margin. (e.g. have them hate the actually-existing retards who're doing un-libertarian things in office, not the basically irrelevant left.)

although my favorite libertarian type is Richard Hanania, who isn't really a libertarian as such, or who at least straddles the line having been a former Fascist. What redeems him is that he's willing to say what few others are, and to analyze it in depth: today's right wingers are stupid, joining the right wing will actively negate your innate intelligence and make you a total fucking idiot, and when you look in depth this is really, really obvious.
left wing people read more right-wing news publications than right-wing people (because right wingers don't fucking read! they watch tv/youtube/podcasts, they do not read, they are stupid! whenever you're wondering "why do they believe this patently false thing?" it's all well and good to go ah, manufacturing consent, ah, their class interests, but at some point you do have to lump on: because they are stupid and malicious.)
it's funny to watch someone reach a number of basic liberal positions (like abolishing ICE and prosecuting the people who worked for it) starting from very right-wing premises. it's funny to see a rightist who started as a racist autism score freak, then looked seriously at who was around them and went: hang on, the racial thing is overblown and (thanks to basic economics) irrelevant but holy shit there is a massive "human capital" problem on the right.

>>2677186
this is partially true, but the wrongness of this position is overstated. a boot is a boot is a boot. two metaphorical half boots make a boot too. so long as there's stomping, the rest is just aesthetic preferences.

>>2677198
he's a republican voting in line with everyone else.
>>2677194
b-but… communism doesn't work….. and lenin wasn't the best person in Russian revolution
>>2677199
if I shift their position somewhat and bring them to the left, lefties (some, but most vocal ones) will purity test and cancel us altogether.

>>2677206
>some, but most vocal ones
The whiny little online shits who don't know how people work. Yeah, we ignore them too. Purity testing is wrecker shit. This is a mass movement.

>>2677198
>his son
Rand is a Zionist dog unlike his father

>>2677185
Integration was tried, albeit under different circumstances, but it went nowhere. https://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/