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I find it especially ironic that Islamists, who claim to be reactionaries yet are nothing but impotent conservatives: the loyal servants of of capital, have exacerbated the social ills of bourgeois society which they claimed to oppose.

Islamists in my country used to attack communists for "promoting prostitution" and the "community of women" (women owned in common) this was refuted by Marx as early as the Manifesto who pointed to the hypocrisy of this accusation, nevertheless what happened once Islamists captured power with the backing of multinational capital and the petty bourgeoisie? Public prostitution became prevalent and organized, an underground industry run by this new bourgeoisie. Religious cities became brothels that people cross oceans for, with the blessings of God and law - prostitution became holy "temporary" marriage, a market fueled by endless victims of poverty, austerity and war.

As for private prostitution (marriage) civil marriage was de facto abolished and with it any concessions offered to the woman, communists used to rally against the payment offered to the woman's family to consummate the marriage arguing that it is a form of commodification, this has now became the standard practice, cementing the woman's role as a commodity first, prompting her to rot until she is inevitably sold rather than take her own path in life.

The separation of genders have twisted the view of women to be mere objects of sexual gratification rather than real conscious beings. This view twisted further by pornagrahy; the consumption rates of which is amongst the highest in the world despite being banned and labelled taboo. Naturally the rates of harassment and rape have also increased despite bullying women into suppressing their every feminine character.

I suppose eventually it became convenient to lift any ostensible restrictions around this commodity, and so the age of marriage was lowered to 9 in order to save them from degeneracy of celibacy.

Now believe me when I say I don't shutter at the 'immorality and injustice' of any of this for the commodification of women and children is entirely within the logic of capitalism, in this extreme case it has only been elevated into a more public form under the guise of God, the only way to abolish it remains to be by abolishing all class distinctions.

The point of this post is more so to point to the hypocrisy of conservatives who purport to oppose the prevailing social order while all they do is enforce it over the bodies of workers, this is not to speak of the drug trade, crippling economic inequality, privatization, etc all have flourished under these religious charlatans.

ignore the inter-imperialist context of picrel

Flood detected; Post discarded.

>ignore the inter-imperialist context of picrel

No I won't. Fuck you. The Taliban are abhorrent but they are not fucking imperialist.

>>2677306
How's the Soviets killing a billion Afghan to save le democracy any different from the US?

>ignore the inter-imperialist context of picrel
how to make everyone disregard the prior wall of text

>>2677310
Sorry but Afghan workers deserve to live and flourish rather than be turned into red mist regardless of the pretext and le freedmons and democracy and other stuff your McDonald's school taught you

>>2677312
<the Soviets who intervened on the behalf of the socialist regime that kept the women in the pic armed and out of trash bags were actually heckin imperialists o algo
Enjoy your niqabs

Leftists will regret making so many concessions for the islamist retards.

>>2677308
Because the US economic system is based on extracting the maximum amount of labour and resources possible from target countries while simultaneously stifling their development and preventing any efforts for them to exercise economic sovereignty. The Soviet Union did the opposite of this by subsidizing the long term economic development of their allies at their own expense. If the US had succeeded in Afghanistan they would have worked to make sure it remained underdeveloped and backward while extracting its mineral resources like they did in Latin America. If the Soviets had succeeded they would have ensured its industrialization, urbanization, and electrification like they did in Eastern Europe.

Not to mention that the Soviets were baited into Afghanistan by American provocations specifically calculated to elicit a military response from the Soviets. The Americans were in Afghanistan because the jihadists they armed and trained turned on them to retaliated against their already established aggression in the Middle East.

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>>2677314
>>2677317
>The US intervening on behalf of the Afghan people's and their women's rightrinos is imperialism now???
Stop derailing the thread meant for Marxists and go back to reddit

>it's not imperialism because the people's puppet state supported it against insurgency
The northern alliance supported the US invasion against insurgency 😹

MLibs try not to justify US imperialism by justifying your red liberal state imperialism challenge = impossible

Reminder that no communist can take 'islamophobia' seriously. The retarded belief system of Islam will ridiculed in the same way any other religion is.

>>2677321
It's not imperialism because imperialism is an economic system which the did not exist in the foreign relations of the USSR.

>>2677316
>>2677322
The takeaway is Islamists worst crime isn't that they're reactionaries, it is precisely the opposite, they're liberals under the cloak of the clergy and it no wonder they enjoyed the support of the west even those posing as its enemies nowadays.

>>2677305
>I find it especially ironic that Islamists, who claim to be reactionaries yet are nothing but impotent conservatives: the loyal servants of of capital, have exacerbated the social ills of bourgeois society which they claimed to oppose.
There's an Egyptian-American academic named Hussein Aboubakr Mansour who said something like this. Up front, he really *is* a conservative reactionary who is tied up with neocons in the United States (also seems kind of high strung if you ask me), but grew up in Egypt, and was saying that Islamism rose up in the culture and on the street at the same time as the culture degenerated. Like, movies became trashier. Belly dancing also declined and some of those places basically turned into seedy strip clubs and brothels. I don't know exactly what that was like in the 1950s/1960s but apparently it was more of a moderate kind of entertainment. It was a little titillating but you could take your kids to a belly dancer show, and the dancer might invite the kid up on stage to dance and it's funny and makes people laugh. Anyways, you can hear interesting things from old-fashioned Global South reactionaries, like V.S. Naipaul.

>>2677365
I don't care about muh moral fabric and purity

I care about sex insofar as it is used to commodify women

>>2677680
>i dont care about morality
>i care about morality
hmm
why do you think Marx opposed commodification of people and relationship? Its not primarily about shoring up individual autonomy (which is Stirnerite) it is because commodification of relationship, like vampire, suck out the blood out of human sociality. And a functional human sociality requires a moral fabric to ground it.
Of course, this ignores the fact that ascribing a unique imperative to individual autonomy is already a moralist stance

> Anyways, you can hear interesting things from old-fashioned Global South reactionaries, like V.S. Naipaul
Yes. Naipaul in particular is a very good window into understanding cultural nationalism in the Third World

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>>2677305
Read Rêber Apo. :)

>>2677689
Mods, permaban this filthy idealist.

>>2677689
> And a functional human sociality requires a moral fabric to ground it.
Morality is just cooperative social behavior with lots of words stacked on top. If you disguised the species and translated their behavior into human terms beehives and ant colonies would be considered moral while chimps would be considered immoral.

>>2677689
>muh moral fabric!!1111

Well, for instance I don't care if your mom dickrides 15 men daily as long as this relationship isn't based on exchange law. Your brainlet self seems to imply that it finds your mom's act to be intrinsically reprehensible even though in a classless society it would necessarily be as sincere and "pure" as monogamy.

Pornagrahy is another thing I don't inherently oppose, as two or more adults sharing their consensual acts to the public without profit motivate is fine.

I don't believe in autonomy or individual worth, which is a remnant of feudal idealism (indivisible soul) that expresses itself today in the form of universal rights

I oppose sex work because I oppose all work :)

Funny how the vanguards of morality are the first to run prostitution rackets as long as they remain underground and approved by the clergy.
>>2677716
>read my class collaborationist ideology
No thanks

Women's rights will be elevated once economical development is a achieved and productive forced get developed. Imagine unironically believing that you can NGO a tribal shithole into a bastion of feminism. Disgusting liberal idealism at display here.

>>2677305
Denounce the Talmud and the Jewish Supremacist terror state.

>>2677319
>implying US did either of those, other than blatant imperialism

>>2677321
>soviet "imperialism"

Anti-Anti-imperialist, folks.

>>2677783
Denounce the forced prostitution of muslim women first.

>>2677781
OP here I'm against women's rights

I already outlined the sole condition to end this ancient flesh trade that remains widespread in bourgeois liberal society be it Islamist or not. You must be illiterate.

>>2677316
truth nuke

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>>2677781
Places like Iraq and Iran are objectively more developed today than back when they were secular. You're right in the sense that capital is international and will inevitably (re)open up those societies like it did in Saudi Arabia (it is already happening) but by then the clergy would find itself the gutter no longer useful for the maintenance of bourgeois order. The popular discontent today with Islamists in Iran and Iraq are of course a result of that.

This is not because those societies are at a definite civilisational stage and will inevitably evolve, they in fact went backwards by your standards, your libtard orientalist brain cannot see that they're still liberal societies under class dictatorships no different than any other place.

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The point of OP isn't to say Islamism is uniquely bad. The opposite in fact. It is nothing but a mask to hide behind bourgeois society with all of its old exploitation and misery. No movement can change the present state of things but the real movement that abolishes it. Opportunists will have have to content with that.

>>2677825
>Places like Iraq and Iran are objectively more developed today than back when they were secular.

No they literally aren't. Stopped reading right there.

>>2677305
I support MAGA because I am an anti-imperialist and the Republicans are the party of the rural poor. In the contradiction between town and country, I side with the country. I support rural American self-determination.

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>>2678138
I mean it was the 'actual Iranians' dying in the thousands and having their internet shutdown, not the diaspora.

Copesters are funny

>>2678146
damn does lack of internet really kill yuo? thats scary

>>2678172
Islamist cops are dead life is good 😹

>>2678146
>dying in the thousands
Do we have a source on this yet or is it still "anonymous officials"?


>>2678191
>Abbas Masjedi Arani, the head of Iran’s medical examiner authority, told state media that many of the casualties were shot in the chest or the head from close range or from rooftops with the aim of inflicting mortal wounds, while others were stabbed to death.

>According to Iranian government, armed and trained “terrorists”, not state forces, were directly responsible for the killings of thousands during the protests. They claim that people acting on behalf of the US and Israel shot and stabbed people to derail peaceful demonstrations.


>an unnamed Iranian official in the region


>Al Jazeera is unable to independently verify these figures.


nice

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>women of the popular resistance militia shouted anti-religious slogans in the streets of Baghdad during May Day of 1959

>"After this month, no dowry to show, And the jurist? Tossed to the river below."


Vgh…. what could've been

>>2678198
>Tehran, Iran – Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has acknowledged that “several thousands” of Iranians have been killed since protests started

Cope status?

>>2678201
>have been killed
his head just did that

>>2678199
imagine if islamists were lynched, and an atheist society had emerged in the aftermath….

>>2678214
Ummmm bad that would he unwholesome!! they disarmed instead following a USSR-backed popular front with the people's national bourgeoisie who ended up genociding them with Soviet armaments

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>>2677316
Karabordiğa
fun fact: the biggest section of the ICP (whichever one of the split you consider) is TURK, turkish

>>2678241
ICP theme song
Ali Rıza'nın = Bordiga
only turks and balkaners will understand this reference!


>>2678245
Aspirin legend

Saddest moment in the history of cinema

>>2678201
Reading comprehension m8. He acknowledged thousands of deaths but blamed them on terrorists who attacked protestors to turn them violent. He's basically saying there was a false flag. I won't comment on the truthfulness of this claim, but it's simply not true that the Iranian government has admitted to killing thousands of protestors.

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>>2678265
>thousands died in the protests
<source?
>here
<oh ok… but it was the mossad

>"Islamists are actually bourgeois liberals"
>"Soviets were red imperialist libs"
>proceeds to cry over societies backed by Soviets he decries as unwholesome red bourgeoise
What ideology produces such nonsense?

Soviet should've invaded Iran

>>2678562
They did with the UK and genocided their population through famine in WW2. That's why most parties there are anti-ML ultras.

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>>2678716
>They did with the UK and genocided their population through famine in WW2.
Funny how this got memory-holed from the mainstream knowledge about WWII

>>2678817
>You can't invade and kill the Nazi Germany sympathizers you fucking Judeo-Bolshevik… I mean MLoid chud!

is your specific text about islamic countries as a whole, or afghanistan per se?

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>>2678817
>source of pic: actual unironic nazi propaganda for soviet pows


>>2678859
I'm not Afghan so ye it's about Islamists in general

>>2678875
>nazis said soviets bad so soviets good :)
>nazis said US/UK bad so… uh…. um….. ah…..

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>>2677305


Ultimately these various degeneracies require changes in the base in order to be substantially curtailed. Mucking around in the superstructure and lamenting decay which, at best, is what many islamists do, isn't worth shit.

Eg. Think about how much easier it would be to shut down brothels with a fully nationalized & planned banking sector: All transactions recorded & reported, accounts seized immediately uon any suspicion. Combine this with public execution if caught and we're well on our way.

>>2677319
>>The US intervening on behalf of Afghan people's and their women's rightrinos is imperialism now???
They intervened on behalf of pederasty lmao

Islam is right about women

>>2679523
Imma about to make your mama my 4th wife :)

>>2679523
>Islam is right about women

>>2677305
>who claim to be reactionaries
Like, with that wording specifically?
>yet are nothing but impotent conservatives
How would that fall short of being reactionary?

>>2678875
wow you're telling me a people that was starved by the millions by an anglo-russian coalition in ww1, and in ww2 was forcibly occupied and looted for oil and other natural resources by an anglo-soviet coalition, would sympathise with their common enemy? no fuckin' way bro!

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>>2679539
Third positionism is liberalism

>>2679542
It's funny how the Soviet Union in WW2 fought for the same objectives as the Tsarist empire in WW1 that the great revolution negated before it crumbled.

Thread

>>2677308
>>2677314
I'm Pakistani and I will say that the Afghans and my nation would have better off with the Russians, we'd be semi-civilized and on par with central-asia then the shitholes we are right now

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>>2677308
>How's the Soviets killing a billion Afghan to save le democracy
>killing a billion
1. kys
2. madeup number
3. the US funded osama bin laden and right wing freaks in afghanistan to overthrow the socialist government in kabul, who then asked 3 times (!) for soviet support before the soviets reluctantly acquiesced… then, the same fucking bourgeois real estate freak (Bin Laden) that the CIA funded to overthrow socialism in Afghanistan got about 20 dudes, most of them saudi, to do terror attacks in America, prompting America to invade… Afghanistan….

the only equation you should be making between the soviet "invasion" of Afghanistan prompted by Operation Cyclone and the US invasion of Afghanistan is that they were both America's fault.

>>2677319
>made up greentext
>ragebait assertion
>taking bourgeois propaganda at face value


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