Tried posting this on 4chin pol but it immediately got archived. I feel like I'm going insane and I wanna know if the people here might be more sympathetic to what I'm trying to get at
Studies have shown: something like 1-10% of people are pedophiles. Pedophiles aren't inherently child abusers, in fact the majority of people who sexually abuse children are not attracted to minors sexually or romantically but are getting off on the exploitation of someone vulnerable they have power over, usually parents or people known to a child and not strangers. People from vulnerable categories (trans, gays, foreigners etc.) get scapegoated as child abusers but are actually more likely to have this kind of abuse perpetuated on them
4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful. Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right project
Is it fair to say at this point it's pretty clear that a significant portion of MAGA are self-hating pedophiles who genuinely believed Dementia Don would get rid of child abusers, trying to blame liberal elites as the sole perpetrators of this abuse as a form of absolving themselves from their own attraction, when in truth it's the entire yankee ruling class who take part in this type of systemic abuse and the spectre of the stranger danger baby snatcher is a political cudgel carefully crafted for the sake of deflection
I feel like at this point half of them are at the point where they're defending child rape while the other half are schizoposting about how none of it is real. I feel like I'm going crazy. Can I get some other perspectives here instead of just getting shut down? If I'm terribly wrong then that's that but at least tell me why..
>>2679084You're basically right about everything you've mentioned, especially where you say that pedophilia isn't about pure sexual attraction, but more about power dynamics.
The reason why a growing number of MAGA are starting to call pedophilia "based" is because, ultimately, they don't believe in anything. All they want to do is own da libz because they're basically a bunch of children who can only get satisfaction from being a contrarian edgelord. They've essentially dug their own grave.
If it's any consolation, I've come to basically the same conclusion as you, I have no idea what to do about any of it.
>>2679098>>2679107Alright, thanks folks
>I have no idea what to do about any of itYeah same here. I figured this would be more of a wakeup call but I underestimated how terminal the brainrot is for a lot of them
Just don't fuck kids bruh how hard can it be
Reactionaries ultimately want to marry little girls and live like feudal nobles, with their estates and horses
But they weren’t even fucking children if we actually go by the definition of the word. They were fucking 14 year olds.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>2679152They were just eating the entrails of toddlers 😹
>>267915214 year olds don’t come across as children to you because you are yourself mentally stunted.
>Tried posting this on 4chin pol but it immediately got archived.
<ah shit, here we go again.wav
Yes, the conflation of child abuse and pedophilia is lazy and harmful. Death to child abusers. Pedophilia, like other -philias, is an unfortunately common sexual attraction. Research has consistently shown that does not need to be a pedophiles to sexually abuse children (many are more interesting in the sadistic aspect) and pedophiles often have no interest in abusing children (repressing a sexual attraction is a very normal human activity).
A (disillusioned rightoid) user on /siberia/ mentioned last year there's a general left-right split in their community over lefties those who think pedos should avoid "contact" (I don't know or care exactly what that means) with children, and righties who are "pro-contact". And while that's anecdotal, looking at the overall base values closely associated with left-wing ideologies (society liberating those in it) and right-wing ideologies (individual liberation at the cost of society), this trend makes perfect sense.
I also draw attention to the epidemic of child abuse in neo-Nazism, going all the way up to leadership. pic2rel, from nukechan's /eses/ thread. As OP mentioned, academic studies and anti-CP groups report that pedophilia is surprisingly prevalent in society, and it's very common for women to report their first catcalls and other sexualization in their preteens, but right-wing ideologies see systematic and sometimes even ideologically accepted child abuse or child abuse advocacy in their institutions. When I say 'ideologically accepted', an example are the many neo-Nazis I've seen saying that the purpose of women is to produce white babies by any means, including marrying a 30 year old to a 13 year old because muh catholic law or some other bad-faith bs. note: there was also an OP here, probably still in the catalog, about The Playground leak - a snippet of a darkweb invite-only text-only forum for enthusiastic right-wing pedophiles to offer services and discuss. Many of them were drooling over the Trump regime's policies, including their defending of educational services. It's disgusting shit, but very insightful.
>4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful.
An oversimplification, audio rel, but yes, one of the conditions of the person who offered them a server was to have a /l/olicon board, which it had for the first few months. One cannot divorce 4chan's foundational years from it.
>Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right project
Personally, I'm yet not convinced of this theory. It's not absurd either, but it's not as if /news/ didn't previously exist and that weev wasn't already probably grooming moot.
Also, both these points on 4chan are more vibes rather than proving anything about your (reasonable!) hypothesis.
>what do
My guesses? In the long term (not easy!):
- Do what we can to remove the mega-millionaires and billionaires from society. They are increasing alienated from humanity. It's no surprise some people compare them to lizards.
- That basically demands socialism. Reformism itself is a nice idea, but we've seen time and time again that it's a dubious tactic. The current electoral system was build by the bourgeois class, for the bourgeois class, and is attacked ruthlessly the moment any socialists get real power (see: coups in LATAM).
Medium term:
- Distinguish child abuse from pedophilia in popular consciousness. They're overlapping concepts, but neither implies the other. This hopefully reduces the chances of that harmful self-hating projection you mentioned and better enables the next point:
- Develop and normalize therapy for both pedophiles and sadists to reduce chances of acting on antisocial impulses. I believe it's reasonable to use the BDSM community as an example of taking an antisocial impulse (sadism) and fulfilling it in a consensual, safe outlet. Obviously, pedophilia provides more challenges, but I wouldn't be surprised if things like ageplay and illustrations (plus non-realistic image gen) could provide a similar harmless outlet. That said, I am not a psychologist and don't know if e.g. these would act to re-enforce fetishism. That's why formal research is needed!
>>2679207tbh it seems like the feds planted cp on all those guys hard drives
It’s no coincidence that back in the day any forum that criticized the Jews would have lots of cp spammed there
>>2679214One of them was a series of photographs that the nazi said they'd sue the sheriff to get them back.
Your instinct was to deny and deflect, instead of learn and develop. You obviously don't care about the issue endemic to your political movement, and the serious harm that will do to the white children you're trying to raise. It looks like you only care about some vapid childish feeling like "winning the argument" or "optics".
When you're serious about making a better world, the worker's movement will be here for you. But until then, stfu>fo.
>muh cp adsConfirmation bias. Those hit all imageboards they could find, even ones that banned politics like plus4chan, which received hourly CP spam. Read:
https://trashchan.xyz/meta/thread/374.html and first reply.
>4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful.the early history of 4chan has been somewhat documented (see links) and it's the most mundane 2000s BBS drama shit ever, and it mostly exists because moot wanted it to exist with all his 15 year old heart could muster.
>>2679207As far as I can tell, the original host was Apis (apex?) which was, at the time, SA's host as well, I don't see anything about needing to host /l/, in fact the existence of the lolicon board put them in hot water with their name registrar, godaddy, and thus 4chan.net died a second time. this is why the domain is currently 4chan.org
https://w2ch.14get.helioho.st/wiki/4chan.htmlhttps://shii.bibanon.org/shii.org/knows/4chan.html Also it doesn't matter if /pol/ was made at epstein's behest, it's more or less an established fact that the current reaction was fueled by a literal pedophile cabal, there should be no confusion here
>>2679107(I forgot to type it earlier it but that is somewhat reassuring, thank you)
>>2679230>Distinguish child abuse from pedophilia in popular consciousness. They're overlapping concepts, but neither implies the other. This hopefully reduces the chances of that harmful self-hating projection you mentionedIs that possible though? The topic gets treated as utterly radioactive by the political establishment as well as the vast majority of online discussion regardless of where people fall along ideological lines. As for the gropyers, I'm guessing theyre too far gone to reason with at this point?
>>2679214Oh hey there's the schizoposting I was thinking of
Basically unless a lot of powerful people (and their minions) go to prison for life, nothing will change.
MAGA voters are cattle and will quietly change all their opinions around when their leaders no longer have any power. Much like how they all suddenly hated the Bush family after Trump shit on them in 2015.
>>2679084>Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right projectthat's akin to claiming r/news was created at the behest of ghislaine maxwell
obviously mossad agents want to control the narrative by burying themselves in news aggregates, anything more is reaching
>>2679276My claims come from UAE Falconry and Finance, who is talking in that first attached file. [relevant part starts at 1:38]
There's enough details in there which make me assume it's true, but if there's any contradictory evidence you've heard than I'd like to know about it, so I can be appropriately critical about UAEF&F's expose`s.
When /l/ was deleted, moot's post (I can't find it) is basically saying "fuck all lolicons" which would be a weird thing to say for someone who personally decided to allow it. So it supports the claim that moot wasn't in charge of the project in its early years.
https://wiki.bibanon.org/4chan/History#Pre-History talks about that Apex Solutions owner, 'nem' from SA (as well as #raspberryheaven).
So if UAEF&F is telling the truth, nem might have demanded lolicon be allowed in return for donating server hosting. (My point being that these claims don't contradict each other)
>>2679280Yes.
Pedtriots in control.
>>2679354
>There are studies
No there arent, but there is a fake 4chan produced graph that claims so.
>>2679286>The topic gets treated as utterly radioactive by the political establishment as well as the vast majority of online discussion regardless of where people fall along ideological lines.Absolutely. There's enough of the shitty proud ones online (or even just edgy trolls) barging in and advocating for child abuse that online discussion ends in flames, and in any political situation it's such an easy thoughtless attack that most ways to cross the bridge are suicidal.
I've seen threads (rare but I've seen them) with people calling themselves minor-attracted persons and posting a pride flag for their sexual attraction. And being a forum where bad-faith false-flag actors are common, and with right-wing politics frequently trying to associate queer peoples with child abuse, it's very easy for anything but the most careful wording to be dismissed as abusers seeking to cover of the LGBT+ movement or trolls associating it with abusers.
Add in that plenty of people are victims of molestation themself, and will have understandable strong reactions to an already strong topic. This isn't as much of a problem with other sex discussions.
And even at the base level, there's a general revulsion to the idea, like we see with furry fetishists online (who seem to generally avoid being conflated with zoophiles and bestiality, but again, one can easily find that similar false equivalence online). And a part of that hate might come from fetishists (furries, lolicons, fart posters, whatever) who post their shocking material online in spaces where most people don't want to see it.
>>2679349The timing of /pol/ being made right after moot meeting with Epstein is too big of a coincidence.
And much as moot/hiro liked to pretend, making a new board is not hard. Can be done in a matter of minutes. Plus it was essentially a rebranding of /new/ which had previously been deleted.
>>2679354
Check this guy's hard drive.
Going off the recent files it didn't even seem like they were fucking the kids most of the time, just torturing them. So yeah it's mostly the power dynamic.
>>2679350>My claims come from UAE Falconry and Financethat guy is legit a schizo who is trying to insert himself into 4chan's early history, and literally role plays as a clintonite glowie. he has blocked me twice for just clearing up early history i've corroborated with 0037 when his board was not defunct and separately with other anons when society for the study of the modern imageboard was still alive. there's nothing that points at early 4chan being some sort of op, indeed, it was fashioned after futaba channel, which did have (still has?) a lolicon board. i mean, if it was an op, then paypal wouldn't have banned 4chan, when receiving donations was extremely vital for its survival. it's just what it is, pedophilia was normalized in the 90s and late aughts, especially among weebs, that was the zeitgeist at the time.
>>2679354
Most of this post is bullshit, many parts already refuted by previous posts.
One small kernel of truth is that we should be calling Esptein and Trump "child abusers" and "child rapists", at least. We have already seen the radicalizing effect of them being declared pedophiles because the two terms are somewhat synonymous in mainstream thought, but more powerful words are better.
>>2679383>he has blocked me twice for just clearing up early history i've corroborated with 0037 when his board was not defunct and separately with other anons when society for the study of the modern imageboard was still alive.moar deets pls
What kind of history did they block you over? Where can we find some of these corroborated claims?
>>2679394sorry just saw this, he blocked me because he insists that the whole project was just fronted by moot but developed by glowies, which basically falls apart if you think about it for 10 seconds. i cleared up the following:
1. original author of the php code that ran world4chan is shii, per his own account. the falconry guy just didn't know there was a difference between world4chan (a clone of world2ch, a text only anon BBS, you may know it as dis (dot) 4chan), and 4chan (a clone of futallaby, the actual imageboard) until I explained it to him, twice.
2. the gazou.php script futallaby is based on is like 200-lines, it's painfully barebones, but still functional, makes total sense a child would be able to run it
3. the original version of 4chan sucked dicks, as you'd expect of software developed by a child, it couldn't even make thumbnails correctly
most of my claims can be corroborated with bibanon, as I said, it's very straighforward early aughts internet drama, 4chan just happened to take off by sheer coincidence and insistence from moot.
>>2681783Would you say moot insists upon himself?
>>2681788Very much so, I never interacted with him but he seems like a particularly kind of industrious, thanks for asking mr griffin
>>2681790god that's an insane tree, to think that it all stemmed from a japanese guy making php tutorials lmfao
>>2679170Where do you draw the line, maturity never ends until you die and setting the age of consent at 25 for 'brain development' is just absurd enforced inceldom on mass scale.
>>2681790>>2681797note: Leftypol's software is a lainchan fork (see the bottom of this page) and my name is only there because I was the active maintainer at the time that graph was made.
daily reminder to leave vichan behind
>>2681783he did correctly predict that moot was on the epstein files though. hes not a complete schizo-moron
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