Tried posting this on 4chin pol but it immediately got archived. I feel like I'm going insane and I wanna know if the people here might be more sympathetic to what I'm trying to get at
Studies have shown: something like 1-10% of people are pedophiles. Pedophiles aren't inherently child abusers, in fact the majority of people who sexually abuse children are not attracted to minors sexually or romantically but are getting off on the exploitation of someone vulnerable they have power over, usually parents or people known to a child and not strangers. People from vulnerable categories (trans, gays, foreigners etc.) get scapegoated as child abusers but are actually more likely to have this kind of abuse perpetuated on them
4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful. Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right project
Is it fair to say at this point it's pretty clear that a significant portion of MAGA are self-hating pedophiles who genuinely believed Dementia Don would get rid of child abusers, trying to blame liberal elites as the sole perpetrators of this abuse as a form of absolving themselves from their own attraction, when in truth it's the entire yankee ruling class who take part in this type of systemic abuse and the spectre of the stranger danger baby snatcher is a political cudgel carefully crafted for the sake of deflection
I feel like at this point half of them are at the point where they're defending child rape while the other half are schizoposting about how none of it is real. I feel like I'm going crazy. Can I get some other perspectives here instead of just getting shut down? If I'm terribly wrong then that's that but at least tell me why..
>>2679084You're basically right about everything you've mentioned, especially where you say that pedophilia isn't about pure sexual attraction, but more about power dynamics.
The reason why a growing number of MAGA are starting to call pedophilia "based" is because, ultimately, they don't believe in anything. All they want to do is own da libz because they're basically a bunch of children who can only get satisfaction from being a contrarian edgelord. They've essentially dug their own grave.
If it's any consolation, I've come to basically the same conclusion as you, I have no idea what to do about any of it.
>>2679098>>2679107Alright, thanks folks
>I have no idea what to do about any of itYeah same here. I figured this would be more of a wakeup call but I underestimated how terminal the brainrot is for a lot of them
Just don't fuck kids bruh how hard can it be
Reactionaries ultimately want to marry little girls and live like feudal nobles, with their estates and horses
But they weren’t even fucking children if we actually go by the definition of the word. They were fucking 14 year olds.
>>2679152They were just eating the entrails of toddlers 😹
>>267915214 year olds don’t come across as children to you because you are yourself mentally stunted.
>Tried posting this on 4chin pol but it immediately got archived.
<ah shit, here we go again.wav
Yes, the conflation of child abuse and pedophilia is lazy and harmful. Death to child abusers. Pedophilia, like other -philias, is an unfortunately common sexual attraction. Research has consistently shown that does not need to be a pedophiles to sexually abuse children (many are more interesting in the sadistic aspect) and pedophiles often have no interest in abusing children (repressing a sexual attraction is a very normal human activity).
A (disillusioned rightoid) user on /siberia/ mentioned last year there's a general left-right split in their community over lefties those who think pedos should avoid "contact" (I don't know or care exactly what that means) with children, and righties who are "pro-contact". And while that's anecdotal, looking at the overall base values closely associated with left-wing ideologies (society liberating those in it) and right-wing ideologies (individual liberation at the cost of society), this trend makes perfect sense.
I also draw attention to the epidemic of child abuse in neo-Nazism, going all the way up to leadership. pic2rel, from nukechan's /eses/ thread. As OP mentioned, academic studies and anti-CP groups report that pedophilia is surprisingly prevalent in society, and it's very common for women to report their first catcalls and other sexualization in their preteens, but right-wing ideologies see systematic and sometimes even ideologically accepted child abuse or child abuse advocacy in their institutions. When I say 'ideologically accepted', an example are the many neo-Nazis I've seen saying that the purpose of women is to produce white babies by any means, including marrying a 30 year old to a 13 year old because muh catholic law or some other bad-faith bs. note: there was also an OP here, probably still in the catalog, about The Playground leak - a snippet of a darkweb invite-only text-only forum for enthusiastic right-wing pedophiles to offer services and discuss. Many of them were drooling over the Trump regime's policies, including their defending of educational services. It's disgusting shit, but very insightful.
>4chan was founded because Lowtax banned lolicon from something awful.
An oversimplification, audio rel, but yes, one of the conditions of the person who offered them a server was to have a /l/olicon board, which it had for the first few months. One cannot divorce 4chan's foundational years from it.
>Pol was founded at the behest of Epstein to further the alt right project
Personally, I'm yet not convinced of this theory. It's not absurd either, but it's not as if /news/ didn't previously exist and that weev wasn't already probably grooming moot.
Also, both these points on 4chan are more vibes rather than proving anything about your (reasonable!) hypothesis.
>what do
My guesses? In the long term (not easy!):
- Do what we can to remove the mega-millionaires and billionaires from society. They are increasing alienated from humanity. It's no surprise some people compare them to lizards.
- That basically demands socialism. Reformism itself is a nice idea, but we've seen time and time again that it's a dubious tactic. The current electoral system was build by the bourgeois class, for the bourgeois class, and is attacked ruthlessly the moment any socialists get real power (see: coups in LATAM).
Medium term:
- Distinguish child abuse from pedophilia in popular consciousness. They're overlapping concepts, but neither implies the other. This hopefully reduces the chances of that harmful self-hating projection you mentioned and better enables the next point:
- Develop and normalize therapy for both pedophiles and sadists to reduce chances of acting on antisocial impulses. I believe it's reasonable to use the BDSM community as an example of taking an antisocial impulse (sadism) and fulfilling it in a consensual, safe outlet. Obviously, pedophilia provides more challenges, but I wouldn't be surprised if things like ageplay and illustrations (plus non-realistic image gen) could provide a similar harmless outlet. That said, I am not a psychologist and don't know if e.g. these would act to re-enforce fetishism. That's why formal research is needed!