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I thought I'd start a general thread about sexism in sci-fi.

The first issue I'd like to address is from the Voyager episode Fair Haven where the crew use their recreational time to occupy a holodeck program set in 19th century Ireland.

At somepoint in the episode Janeway adjusts the parameters of her holographic lover to make him taller and also deletes his wife. Imagine if that was a male character making a female holodeck character's breasts bigger. Everybody would be crying sexism, saying they are objectifying women etc.

I think that there's some severe double standards at work here, what do you guys think?

>>2681115
Christo-fascists don't actually want to emancipate women by making sexuality taboo. Christo-fascists and the libertines cooperate together to keep women ghettoized as prostitutes and de facto prostitutes. Monogamy is monogamy for women and polygamy for men. Read Engels. It's more obvious with queer people how bourgeois society supports rape and pimping. Sex tourists benefit from keeping sexuality a secret and furtive affair.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/index.htm

Clowns to the left of me
Jokers to the right

>Imagine if that was a male character making a female holodeck character's breasts bigger.
There are TNG episodes where Riker basically does this and nobody seems to care. He doesn't make her boobs bigger but he does make the holodeck generate baddies he can play the trombone for.

>>2681115

I don't know about that episode in particular, but Mulgrew herself complained about the way her character was written, comparing her someone with BPD since her attitude and values changed so much from episode to episode. She even said the only clue was whether Janeway's hair would be up or down in that episode.

I would say that Star Trek, at Least TNG, DS9, and VOY were all pretty good about sexism, aside from women in tight jumpsuits (but that's just standard fashion in the 23rd century)

The Star Wars universe has about 3 or 4 women with lines in it, which is pretty sexist, but the only in-universe sexism I can think of comes from Jabba, who we are supposed to hate anyway.
If you're looking for less sexist scifi authors, I'd recommend Samuel Delaney and Ursula LeGuin

Based anti-manlet Janeway

>>2681290
>at Least TNG, DS9, and VOY were all pretty good about sexism

TOS upon the other hand, had the episode Turnabout Intruder in which women aren't allowed to be captains, although to be fair Kirk admitted that the rule wasn't fair.

Some say that the character of Lester represents women being irrational for being angry at the glass ceiling and wanting to be promoted.

Also in the pilot episode The Cage, there was a female first officer called number 1, but the network executives refused to keep her and focused upon Spock instead.

>>2681430
The late 60s were a different time and Gene Rodenberry was a different man, they even make fun of how the Klingons looked in TOS in one of the TNG holodeck episodes

>>2681115
This is a leftist political discussion forum.

>>2681457
Star Trek is utopian socialist fiction, therefore it’s on topic.

>>2681464
Lie. Yankee 'world's policeman' propaganda.

>>2681575
If you view episodes like TNG's The Neutral Zone, then you'd know that Picard explains to the 20th century humans that in the future Earth is a post scarcity moneyless utopia.

As for world police, yes the Federation fight wars but they rarely start them. They do expand their membership, and DS9 portrays opposing points of view to the Federation, particularly Eddington likening the Federation to the Borg "at least the Borg tell you of their plans for assimilation".

Can you give examples of the Federation being world police?

>>2681115
>Imagine
>Everybody would
>I think
fighting strawmens and making up stupid shit to get mad about, you're worthless

>>2682307
Not the one you're responding to, but I would argue the fast-and-loose way that captains use the Prime Directive counts. Sometimes they interfere (especially TOS) with non-Federation worlds' economies that way.

>>2682591
Janeway interfered with a pre warp civilization in False Profits, although to be fair, the Ferrengi were posing as gods.

Kirk interfered with a ~20th century planet in A Piece of the Action.

What would you do in these situations (not just the ones I listed but any of them)?

>>2681290
>but the only in-universe sexism I can think of comes from Jabba, who we are supposed to hate anyway
Leia also literally strangles her oppressor with her own chains in that one so I wouldn't count it ad sexist.

>>2681290
>I would say that Star Trek, at Least TNG, DS9, and VOY were all pretty good about sexism, aside from women in tight jumpsuits (but that's just standard fashion in the 23rd century)

It is, and it isn't. On the one hand, it is clearly trying to portray a future where things are different and more equal. TOS is a really great piece of work to examine because it makes strong gestures at this, while also carrying serious baggage from the time.

To give you an example of what I mean, you first of all have women operating on a space ship(!!) independently, as professionals whose competence isn't questioned based on gender, and even in positions of authority. It's even underscored by making one of the bridge officers a Black woman.

On the other hand, the prevailing views on women at the time are still plainly present. Most of the female roles we do tend to see are what I think would be fair to call traditionally feminine. I forget the episode, but there's one where Kirk and the boys are commenting on a particularly gifted female officer. They praise her initially, but in the very next breath lament Starfleet losing such a talented officer once she "finds a man."

But there are other interesting aspects too, like how the female starfleet uniforms are miniskirts. Today it's seen as really outrageous and sexist, while at the time it was bold and progressive. Not only were women portrayed in something considered at the time provocatively sexual, but it was also shown to be considered perfectly okay in a professional environment, not at all undermining the assumed competence of the women, but also not treated as a justification for lurid advances from their male counterparts. One of the really interesting things from the first season of TNG, when they were still using old TOS scripts, was that the miniskirt thing not only carried over, but that it included MEN too.

Star Trek is a pretty interesting body of fiction to examine for this, at least the old stuff. At times it does make bold attempts to imagine a different, better future, while at the same time having these pretty significant tumors from the current or previous age.

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Have you noticed in Star Trek which is basically a western in space sex is not taboo it’s rather boring sterile due to holodeck sex why make effort for any relationship with anyone . when you can just feed true narcissist drives and desires with a illusion? Sex would be boring and a transaction and you can just make toir partner better at any moment . Star Trek is a world of sociopaths . But the actual taboo in Star Trek is death . When people die people never talk about it they just move on and repress it and pretend to go on . people are numbers .” hes dead Jim”

>>2683167
So you've never watched star trek

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