/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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Constant attempts at outside western undermining does do that to countries doing real-communism. That do be true.

>>2683186
Its just the best lesser evil, its not perfect, a lot of it still continues policies derived from America and bourgeois laws enforced through the UN. China has to kill and repress western propagandists, because they have been trying to swindle the world through the internet and media for millenia.

If anything, China is not doing enough to surpress foreign influence. It has not exterminated abrahamic cancers, it has not stopped obiding bourgeois UN laws, it does not wholly reject western bourgeois science and propaganda, it does not prohibit TNCs (transnational corporations) and so on…
What China is trying to do is keep the problematic elements under control instead of doing away with them, and trying to rub up to foreign standards rather than thinking for itself. It is pragmatic, extremely so. If the UN were to do a convention requiring all member states to destroy their nuclear energy or be sanctioned / kicked out - China would comply and even run a propaganda campaign against nuclear energy, just to be in line with the majority.

I have one peculiar example that certain people on here don't like and tend to ignore or ridicule, of China adopting anti-scientific laws from the US pushing them through the UN, but its pointless to write about it since the morons who challenge the fact have a false consciousness and believe themselves to be combatting western slander. Most China fanboys are willing to die on the hill of China being a flawless perfect heaven or try pseudo sophistry i.e. "Nobody is saying China is perfect, you're just strawmanning." whilst refusing to provide any meaningful critiques or address the problems being brought.

MLs are Moronic Liberals, but China really is the best option to cheer for. We have to defend China because the western narrative that dominates information space is the root of all reactionism carried over in China.

It's because of reddit. No one is willing to admit but it's true.

It's doing pretty well.
>What about the vanished political journalists?
idk but I haven't seen a source on that that wasn't from a country that also disappears journalists. I assume China does that shit less than the US if at all.
>The cadaver museums?
Plural? Also not a china specific issue, Amsterdam also has a few.
>The coffin homes?
[wikipedias that]
<A coffin home is a temporary coffin depository where the coffins containing the cadavers of recently deceased people are temporarily stored while awaiting transport to the place of burial.
That's just normal deathcare logistics lol
>The social credit score?
Not real in china, but very real in the US.
>whenever I see a hardcore leftist speak on China they just salivate over the trains
Trains are cool tho. Also the cost of living is low there and you're basically guaranteed a house and a job.

>>2683206
Why didn't the Chinese cops shoot Haz on sight for his ties to the Heritage Foundation / Epstein?
>>2683209
That sounds like something someone with a reddit / twitter account would assume.

>>2683201
In spite of all my criticism of China I have written on here throughout the years being disregarded by its western defenders, I intend to make a diplomatic visit to present my views directly to representatives of the CPC within China itself.

I have already been to China's foreign embassy in my country, they have no control or opinion over legislation in China so even if they agree with my criticism they cannot do anything about it. The only thing ambassadors can contribute to is provide connections.

A log of the dialogue translated into english will be made avaible for all to read. I intend to go as a representative of the organization I am a part of which is not a member or an observer of the IMCWP.

My biggest concern is that of the policies and laws implemented by the americanophile Jiang Zemin that continue to be in effect, and international laws brought by conventions that stunt societies and have devastating effects on development.

>>2683186
Have you been?
It's fuckin awesome.

>>2683186
Literally where? Every online space is basically calling them bugmen that are gonna zergrush le west while we discuss if they are even socdem on /leftypol/. Fucking liar lmao

>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
I would but it is not, there are hella China supporter but right here you will see more Left-wing criticism of China then praise for the most part
>What about the vanished political journalists?
America does that too, look at Don Lemon, or look at all of the journalists Israel has killed, Im not saying its good when China does it but you gotta keep an open mind.
>The social credit score?
That's not real

>>2683201
Does bourgeois have any meaning at all for you people besides anti-national?

>>2683250
If the bourgeois were anti-national we would be living in a Proudhonian world.

>>2683186
>What about the vanished political journalists? >The cadaver museums?
>The coffin homes?
>The social credit score?
Imagine believing in all of this western slop

>>2683265
By you people obviously I mean Dengists like the anon I replied to. I know you guys are under the illusion that you're very arcane and perplexing for "MLs" but everyone's heard the Proudhon rant a million times by now.

>>2683215
>Heritage Foundation / Epstein
explain yourself

>>2683265
China has a Proudhonist system of republicanism.

The problem with China is its the new Post War Japan and has already run into the exact same problems

>coffin homes
genuinely a good point. They should bulldoze all of these fucking things.

>>2683186
>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
Depends on how you look at it. There are a lot of China stans now from the U.S. or wherever who look at China and say "this is what we should do" when it's really just (capitalist) development that the U.S. also did, and that can (does!) lead to higher wages, improvements in standards of living, developments in healthcare, education, and transportation (notably other capitalist countries have this, they are important for capitalist development). Really it would make a lot more sense if those people just had globe emojis in their avatars and were like "hell yeah, line go up, look at GDP and cute boutique stuff we love like in Japan and the E.U., why be anti-capitalist," it would make more sense. A lot of wishful thinking about that. At the same time, Chinese worker-on-boss violence is like 1000x the America level so maybe China is where the next 21st century socialist revolution is gonna happen!

>>2683186
look at USA and then look at China and then come back to me.

>>2683317
Look at dog diarrhea and then look at dog vomit and then come back to me.

>>2683355
Vomit is way better.

>>2683355
China is socdem which makes it 1000x better

>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
Only on the most online spaces filled with people who've been crushed by lonelines alienation, the bar is in hell and all the basement dwellers are desperate for any change that doesn't require them to do anything or meet up with anyone.

>>2683186
>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
Picrel. If you know anything about Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin you know they WISH they had picrel. The material foundations of socialism are by far the most important part of communist work.
>What about the vanished political journalists?
Which ones? Freedom of expression is not desirable for reactionary elements and reaction includes "leftists" that benefit imperialism.
>The social credit score?
+15 credit score. Get your head out of the gutter.
>I'm sure it does a lot of good but whenever I see a hardcore leftist speak on China they just salivate over the trains
I salivate over all the stuff they produce. As would MELS.

In truth, China looks like it has its problems. Most important of these appears to be "the growing middle class", what I've seen of them is not great. The very idea of a middle class is anti-proletarian. Chinese culture I see is also very concerning. But that's to be expected in a country with 5000 years of property ownership.
CPSU got too cocky because they were seemingly able to root out bourgeois and petty bourgeois elements very quickly but the material foundations weren't eliminated and so they sprung back up. That's how we got into this shithole of a world where America can just strike any country with zero consequence and bourgeois feel so comfortable they just release the Epstein files to rub it in the working class' faces and laugh about it.
CPC is taking the slow way and it seems to be working. They are demonstrably a socialist state, bourgeois are bitching about it all the time.
But my words here don't affect China in any way. What "supporting" China does is show that you have a basic knowledge of what socialism is and what communist priorities are. Or that you at least have the smallest measure of humility to accept that a nonwhite/nonliberal country is doing better then wholesome white/liberal ones. Western left and right fail to do either at about the same rate.

>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
Uhhh it's a socialist country, led by a communist party, with a highly advanced economy. Ofc communists and leftists are gonna like it

>What about the vanished political journalists? The cadaver museums? The coffin homes? The social credit score?
Retarded nonsense only the most braindead victims of occidental mass psychosis fall victim to

>whenever I see a hardcore leftist speak on China they just salivate over the trains
Trains are good

>>2683186
Because it's a foreign country with a communist government. Really, China is about the best one you could pick. It's got a solid chance of going somewhere rather than clearly (a) having its peak be in the past or (b) following the China economic development strategy without any illusion that doing so will boost its status as a world power and make future communism more likely.

The problem with China-worship isn't the "bad" stuff, that's easy to deflect as foreign propaganda or a price worth paying for the good stuff. A little internal tension like that is good for the mind anyway. No, the problem is the neglect of how mundane China is. By which I mean "of this earthly world rather than a heavenly or spiritual one." rather than to say China is boring per-se. Even granting all the ways China exceeds the west, these won't resolve most of the actual problems that push people into fantasy. In China you still have to get up in the morning, still have to work, still have to make an effort if you want to have friends, still have to do chores and so on. You have to put all that out of your mind, to forget the real actually-existing China in order to project your fantasies of China on to it.

CPC's treatment of LGBT people is why I won't support them.

>>2683186
>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
Doubt any communists view them like this. Its about China developing towards socialism.
>What about the vanished political journalists?
Based
>The cadaver museums? The coffin homes? The social credit score?
Imagine believing this liberal propaganda.
> I'm sure it does a lot of good but whenever I see a hardcore leftist speak on China they just salivate over the trains
Im more interested in their industrial and military development. There is nothing more anti-imperialist than supporting CPC.

>>2683186
>China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires
Cuz the chinese COMMUNIST(!!!) party is the ruling party in china. It also has a fucking RED flag. Only a fucking lunatic wouldn't say china is a communist state.

>What about the vanished political journalists? The cadaver museums? The coffin homes?
Yet another part of making communism. The next step is robbing all rich people, making people starve. If you had read Marx you wouldn't mind. Gtfo, liberal.

Why would you feel sypathy for journalists of all people

>Can anyone explain to me why China is viewed as a wonderland that reflects all communist/leftist desires?
Wrong. China is Communist—a nation where working peoples have liberated themselves. This is far from wonderland. Communism is not fairy tale.
>What about the vanished political journalists?
Who
>The coffin homes?
Per capita floor area of Chinese urban residents exceeds 40 square meters https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202408/23/content_WS66c88eb4c6d0868f4e8ea341.html
>I'm sure it does a lot of good but whenever I see a hardcore leftist speak on China they just salivate over the trains
China is the engine of history.

No one wants to admit to it, but it really comes from a place of desperation. Communism and worker's movements are pretty much dead so people place their faith on an alternative world order with china in the lead because it might be better than America's wall street led world order.

>>2683286
i like how they left a little plot for gardening

>>2683186
Extreme alienation and delusional projection + kneejerk reactions against anti-China brainlets.
It is interesting that we're (finally) getting pro-China left liberals in the USA and EU though. The PRC is basically the Germany of Asia and people should recognize it as such.

>>2683431
>China is the engine of history.
True. The Chinese island of freedom and liberty (Taiwan) is the true engine of history and god damn everything. Don't care about separatists on the mainland