With
>pros
and
<cons
in order of deadness. Feel free to add to the list.
David Graeber, USA (status: very dead)
>Caused a ruckus in the field of anthropology: "wtf, this class shit ain't normal?"
>Was right proving wrong Marx and Engels on the origin of money (although they were relying on contemporary anthropologists)
>Turned some right libertarians into """left""" lib- I mean anarchists
<Teeth status
<His most popular book, Bullshit Jobs, is proven idiotic by the first 10 pages of Theories of Surplus value by Marx
Mark Fisher, UK (status: very dead – suicide'd)
>Popularized anti-idpol
>Rather accurately detected current capitalist cultural rot & how it effects the youth
<Offered no alternatives, no vision for the future
<Le K-Punk counter-le-culture (4chan/Houdini-tier)
Noam Chomsky, USA (status: senile, very soon to die, 97yrs old)
>Consistently documented US imperialist crimes
>Consistent "voice of reason" in the country of un-reason; avenue for thousands for moving "left"
<Is in the Epstein files ("I;m thinking about thos Beans Islands!")
<Deradicalized Norman Finkelstein
<Tarnished the USSR, cheered its fall
<Very possible CIA connection
<His whole language model got proven wrong
<Voote bloo, no matter hoo (I'm a spiritual anarchist, you see!)
<Hilariously got got by Foucault, Lacan (americans will deny this)
Frederic Jameson, USA (status: 90 yrs old)
>A fellow traveler of po-mo "leftism" who consistently critiques po-mo and points to Marxism as an alternative
>A burger who actually read and understood continental philosophy
<Noted elitist ("Dat waiter offered me the wrong wine to go with my fish dish!")
<Does nothing but boring movie crit
Alain Badiou, FRE (status: 89 yrs old)
>The ONLY living philosopher proper (=developed a consistent system of ontology, epistemology, ethics, philosophy of science and mathematics, aesthetics, without devolving into a "cultural critic" status)
>Has nice things to say about Lenin and Mao while
<Devolving into anti-USSR/party/state idiocy
<80% of English native speakers can't comprehend his English
<Wants to kill Zizek, even though he admires him
Richard D. Wolff, USA (status: senile, 83 years old)
>Very accessible, consistent voice for burgers to move them left on economic issues
>An economist anti-economist, making it clear to proles that the Priestly Class of academic "economists" are charlatan cultists, sniffing their own farts
>Pro-CHYNAH
<Utopian, coop-fetishist, proven wrong by the first 10 pages of The Poverty of Philosophy and Socialism: Utopian and Scientific
Slavoj Zizek, SLO (status: 76 yrs young)
>As an orthodox Lacanian and Althusserian but heterodox Marxist developed a consistent system for understanding and critiquing ideology, pushing many to the left through cultural examples
>Has nice things to say about Lenin
>Endless source of memes, *sniff*
>BTFO'd Jordan Peterson
>Popularized anti-idpol
>Actually funny
>Doesn't buy the "USSR wasn't REAL socialism" meme
<Blatant and admitted self-plagiarist
<Consistently wrong on geopolitics since… the 1990s
<May sooner die than the others due to his unhealthy hot-dog consumption
<99% of English speakers have a hard time understanding him, only cultish followers undershtand every word he says
<Wants to kill Badiou, even though he admires him
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
>>2683266Slavoj Zizek isn't a leftist at all. He's a fiercely anti-communist and anti-soviet slovenian nationalist. In terms of actual philosophy there's also literally nothing there as all he ever does is spew meaningless word salads that bamboozle mid-wits into thinking he's smart (literally the same thing his idols, Hegel and Deleuze and Guattari, did historically). Pretty much all he does is capture the attention of alienated young people and diverts their political and intellectual curiosity into harmless and counter-revolutionary pathways. I'm like 99.99% sure he's a plant who only got famous because he's a glowie and was artificially pushed into fame as part of a psyop.
most of those "cons" are actually pros, and vice versa
>>2683285good job figuring it out
>>2683280Imagine getting filtered by fucking Zizek, fucking lol.
>>2683266>Wants to kill ZizekThis part is good though
>Slavoj Zizek isn't a leftist at all.
The very left-right dichotomy is bullshit. This is an established observation. You could see the OP list as ppl moving ppl towards communizm or away from.
>He's a fiercely anti-communist and anti-soviet slovenian nationalist.
You can call him anything but a "nationalist," lmao.
<In terms of actual philosophy there's also literally nothing there as all he ever does is spew meaningless word salads that bamboozle mid-wits into thinking he's smart
I'm OP and I've read some to most of the significant works from them and this couldn't be further removed from the truth. Just because said academics are wrong all the time on one issue, it doesn't automatically follow that they are complete hacks. For example, Chomsky's language model, which turned out to be shit eventually, was very productive in the sense of pushing further the discipline of linguistics. I honestly think that you have a bad grasp of… well… the development of human thought, sciences.
>idols, Hegel and Deleuze and Guattari
Innfluences arennot idols. Would you dare call Hegel Marx's idol?
>Pretty much all he does is capture the attention of alienated young people
Everybody is alienated, you fuck. Turning the attention of alienated individuals towards class terror is great.
>I'm like 99.99% sure he's a plant who only got famous because he's a glowie and was artificially pushed into fame as part of a psyop.
Occam's razor, you filthy schizo. He published a very successful book that made him famous and kept maintaining that status.
You've only confirmed ITT that you have no idea what you are talking about (=haven't read shit), but you are VERY oppinionated on the things you haven't read or understood.
wasn't badiou a maoist in his youth?
>>2683285He wasn't significant enough to get the Chavez treatment.
>>2683288Giga-tard.
>>2683293Yes. Badiou was a follower of his pro-USSR (Trot-neutral, pro-Mao, pro-Lenin) prof Althusser, then '68 happened and a lot of his students got retard-pilled. To this day Badiou describes the '68 (stool) movements as his revolutionary period, which is objectively fucking retarded.
>>2683296>Giga-tard.USSR was still a capitalist failure, no two ways about it, the only successful ones just embraced it harder
>>2683298Read Badiou, tbh. Even with his tard takes he's the most prominent of the bunch.
>>2683301>USSR was capitalistAnd your favorite hero being criticized in OP was?
Your nationality? (Presumed 5 Eyes)
>>2683301Boomer-pilled, McCarthy-pilled.
Laugh at this idiot.
>>2683285Honestly, irradiating his house or something wouldn't have been a big order for glowies.
>>2683308He was a literal nobody outside of academic circles and a very little radicalization potential, plus no actual political movement organized by him.
Graeber will have no statue in the Eternal Communist Cemetery, as opposed to… a lot of names.
>u said bad of Graeber, now I revolt
Children.
>>2683305Thank you, I will keep your advice in mind.
>>2683274Homie still got laid
>>2683292>The very left-right dichotomy is bullshit.1. Normie-tier take
2. You're the one who called him a leftist, you fucking retard. I'm pointing out why you're wrong. You're at post-modernist levels of "words have no meaning" here.
>You can call him anything but a "nationalist," lmao.1. He said it himself that he enlisted into the slovenian military at some point
2. Spends like 80% of his time telling anedoctes about how living in the soviet union was le bad
3. Talks about every single anti-soviet color revolution in a positive light
4. Supported euromaidan and other sus CIA shit
5. Clearly gestures towards european anti-immigrant sentiments
>I'm OP and I've read some to most of the significant works from them and this couldn't be further removed from the truth. Just because said academics are wrong all the time on one issue, it doesn't automatically follow that they are complete hacks. For example, Chomsky's language model, which turned out to be shit eventually, was very productive in the sense of pushing further the discipline of linguistics. I honestly think that you have a bad grasp of… well… the development of human thought, sciences.The point is that he literally talks and writes like Hegel and Deleuze and other such pseudo-intellectuals and posers. There's no substance to anything that's being said anywhere. It's just a form of sophistry to woo mid-wits such as yourself into thinking you engaging with something deep, as I have already stated. FFS I'm using the simplest and most straightforward language I possibly can, is this really that hard to understand?
>Innfluences arennot idols. Would you dare call Hegel Marx's idol?If Marx's entire point wasn't to showcase how Hegel was a retard who got everything exactly backwards, then yes absolutely. And if Marx wrote like a sophist who has nothing of value to say, instead of clear prose, then yes also absolutely. You can very reliably tell if a philosopher isn't totally worthless based on their stance on Hegel. If they call Hegel out on the fact he's an idiot then they're worth reading (Marx, Schoppenhauer, Nietzsche, etc…).
>Turning the attention of alienated individuals towards class terror is great.Yeah it'd be great if Zizek ever did that. Shame he never does though.
>Occam's razor, you filthy schizo. He published a very successful book that made him famous and kept maintaining that status.Congress for Cultural Freedom, fucking retard. The CIA has been promoting lefty anti-communist pseudo-intellectuals ever since the 50s. Zizek has contributed to every usual suspect imaginable, such as USAID and Soros backed foundations. He's friends and has little debates with other propped pseudo-intellectuals like Yuval Noah Harari. He almost certainly has dark money behind him, he glows in the dark.
>You've only confirmed ITT that you have no idea what you are talking about (=haven't read shit), but you are VERY oppinionated on the things you haven't read or understood.You have done nothing but use ad hominem attacks and insult me while I (originally) simply engaged with the flawed premised you put. You don't know anything about me and you don't know what I do or do not understand. You just looked at a simple paragraph with a pretty straightforward argument and immediately failed not only to understand it, but immediately construed an immense amount assumptions about someone who you fundamentally do not know. You're clearly a person who who's quick to lay judgement via superficial premises and assumptions; you live in the world of doxa. A prime target for a sophist like Zizek.
>>2683310>>2683294The point is that Thiel would have done it for personal offense and for his own ego, rather than structural/systemic motivations. He's pretty much the kind of petty psychopath that would do something like that, imo.
>>2683319He will change your life. Start with The Concept of Model.
>>2683323>NormieStopped reading there, idpol obsessed labor aristocrat "leftist"
>>2683347Shit, forgot this irrelevant loser shilled for Rojava. What a fucking stooge, hahaha
ussr was shit. otherwise it would still be here. that they tried some decent things doesnt mean it wasnt shit overall. Learn from this and make something better, dont repeat the same mistakes.
>>2683528>Good things last, bad things disappearIs that really your experience in life, lmao?
>>2683266<Wants to kill Zizek, even though he admires himThat's good though
<Utopian, coop-fetishist, proven wrong by the first 10 pages of The Poverty of Philosophy and Socialism: Utopian and ScientificHe's not, he's pro-revolution. He uses co-ops as a way to explain socialist production to dumb burgers and supports proletarian organizing for revolution, including co-ops.
<Blatant and admitted self-plagiaristHow do you plagiarize yourself?
Also OP seems to think criticizing the USSR at all makes you an anticommunist lol
>>2683285Didn't he die while traveling in Europe? I always assumed he got covid.
>>2683266frederic jameson is already dead you fucking idiot
god what a fucking shit thread, reported for low quality
>>2683622yeah? Stable things last. Unstable things disappear…It was shitty, so shitty nobody wanted it to remain. Lets take the good parts and not the bad parts and make something better.
>>2683824This anon will die someday therefore by their own logic they're shit and nobody wants them. kek
>>2683622Nah if the eternal socdem empire had lasted 1000 years it would have been great
>>2683824>It was shitty, so shitty nobody wanted it to remain.That's just demonstrably false. Many people supported its continued existence, is was dismantled from above by its own leadership because Soviet institutions and the Soviet system were a check on their power and ability to become bourgeois.
Hey OP, I don't necessarily agree with your opinions but I appreciate you putting some effort into your post.
>>2683952Imagine such a shitty system that it lets a bunch of people abolish it. Absolutely no checks and balances…
>>2683266><Wants to kill Zizek, even though he admires himwanting to kill zizek is a big point im badiois favor, especially over the last 10 years or so
>>2684507>>2684507>>2683266actual good post tho, i basically agree with all of this
>>2684462Capitalism can be abolished by a bunch of people as well, the proletariat for example
All just old utopians and social-fascists, none of them contributed at all to the science of Marxism and we will only be stronger once these decrepit men finally expire.
Also rightoids can’t get enough of the Roman Empire, that it no longer exists is never marked against it.
>>2683266>Wolf>Utopian, coop-fetishist, proven wrong by the first 10 pages of The Poverty of Philosophy and Socialism: Utopian and Scientificelaborate on why he is utopian um uhh not for me, no sir, definitely not me, i already know why, umm uhh for the audience
I had no idea Zizek was that old. I thought he was like early 60s. I just always assume eastern European fellas don't age amazingly
Liberal Arts colleges and Humanities departments in the USA are the main enemies of American communists. Even before actual fascists.
>>2683266>>Was right proving wrong Marx and Engels on the origin of money (although they were relying on contemporary anthropologists)He wasnt even the person that discovered this. By early 20th century economists had already known about Sumeria's use of debt as money instead of the meme of money coming from barter.
>>2685049as cockshott says, he was a Madman
>academioids
why even add the -oid like academics have anything to do with communism at all
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