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>B-b-but Ukraine is run by Nazis!
Ukraine wasn't ran by Nazis, that's just what Putin wants you to believe while he sold Russia out to "traditional" patriotism. How the fuck am i going to explain to a Russian nationalist puppet that Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada is composed of this -

Putin? Really? The president of the United States is a zionist pedophile part of a larger international bourgeois conspiracy.

>>2683426
Well…..

>>2683419
The government of Ukraine is the idealized epitome of anti-communism in Brazil, where a coup d'état was used to persecute all communist, socialist and workers' union movements in Ukraine with the Maidan coup in 2014.

In this coup regime of fascist reactionary puppets of finance capital several militias of the right sector together with the Azov battalion terrorize, kidnap and silence who they consider a threat to the buyer government with an organization called The Peacemaker ( Myrotvorets ) which is used by neo-Nazis with names, data personal and family members to intimidate, silence and eliminate outlaw journalists and citizens who are considered a "threat to national security" with neo-Nazi paramilitary groups. Just so you know, the president of Brazil Lula himself and several left-wing DCM journalists who are Brazilian have their names noted there. Remembering that they scratch the name on the list as the individual passes away as if it were a people elimination list. Don't forget the various white supremacist neo-Nazi organizations that have a direct connection to Ukraine in the world.

The role of the reactionaries was to depoliticize the population so that a false opposition that uses only the discourse against corruption financed by the bourgeoisie in a puppet party of imperialism with Zelensky as a friendly figure for the international propaganda starts the destruction and privatization for the financial capital of the agricultural cooperatives that it was unpopular to just hint at this kind of action before the coup, but Zelensky's opposition party is not opposed and hides this from the public, all public property is being destroyed and labor rights are being attacked. The various reactionary groups are integrated throughout the Ukrainian government in all sectors of the state and Zelensky just put the reactionary doormat on the line to attack anyone who opposes neoliberalism and the Ukrainian supremacy policy against non-Ukrainian language minorities living in the country and have been repressed since the coup.

The communist party of Ukraine had 13% of the vote before the coup at the time, where the left was seen as the main enemy immediately even though that party was in protests at the time no ukrainian chauvinism and racism against russians, no glorification of the european union, NATO and the IMF, with the defense of the country's economic sovereignty, public enterprises, cooperative sector, workers' rights, legacy of the Soviet Union and solidarity among the workers of other countries come together with neutrality and a desire to restore the Soviet Union. Party general secretary Petro Symonenko has been in exile in Belarus for a long time due to persecution.

This speech is the same coup speech that was had in Bolivia pretending that it is not a coup and the same scenario in Brazil where they tried to persecute and banish the left after the impeachment of Dilma Rousseff with the anticommunism of the lackeys servants of financial capital.

Russia does not participate in the export of finance capital like the IMF according to Lenin's description. The fall of dollar hegemony is boosting the financial sovereignty of third world countries so they may not have to follow the international rules of sanctions and patents that keep them indebted and dependent.

Here is an archived Communist Party of Ukraine opinion link: https://web.archive.org/web/20220219162903/https://kpu.life/ru/101027/petr_symonenko_ynytsyatyva_ukrayny_po_sozdanyju_trojstvennogo_sojuza_uhodyt_kornjamy_v_nedra_my6_y_tsru

Here is an article with a narrative against the coup-plotters' capitalist innocence propaganda from Ukraine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171107144346/https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2017/10/11/on-russia-todays-liberals

The current Ukrainian government is a continuation of the reactionary collaborators who served as puppets for the German Nazis and served the imperialism of financial capitalism under US hegemony, serving NATO in the Cold War against the Soviet Union, as Ukrainian nationalists have always been.

The Marxist position is to not finance any puppet of financial capital without exception, therefore withdrawing all debts and weapons from abroad from the so-called "democracies" so that they all collapse. This is non-negotiable so that there is solidarity with the workers of the world and unproductive imperialist capitalism cannot profit from armaments, mining, indebtedness, austerity, reconstruction, acquiring data and experience for use in the surveillance of the bourgeois state and repression that maintain dependence and are obstacles for communists who need international chaos to prevent sanctions against a country that might have a communist revolution in the future.

>you call them nazis, yet they're not members of the National-Socialist German Worker's Party, checkmate

Uyghur you is retarded kys

>>2683771
>You say they're National-Socialists, eh?
<They're actually Social-Nationalists!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social-National_Party_of_Ukraine
<Checkmate, vatnik!

>>2683774
>It's not a wolfsangel, it stands for the Idea of Nation
>Okay but what is that idea?
>Uhh it's
<the organization of a future Ukrainian state on the principles of authoritarianism, corporatism, and solidarism closely resembling those of Fascist Italy
ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Stsiborskyi

>>2683419
>>2683760
>words words words
I do not care.


The Ukraine war was gonna happen anyway because the EU/NATO needed to be forced to commit to salvaging US hegemony in the cold war. I'd rather NATO lose, but I have no illusions of good things coming out of the war.

The liberals in charge of either side will strive for the worst possible outcomes for the workers in search of profits. The best I can hope for, is that the competition is fierce enough that the bourgeois don't find it profitable to reach big compromises among themselves.

>>2683784 (me)
Given that, the left is basically absent from world affairs. AFAIC US hegemony collapsing is the lesser evil, even if it's other liberals making it happen for a bigger part of the imperialist pie.

Don't care. Nazi removal is good.

>>2683419
Well, at least you correctly labelled your thread "slop".

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>>2683419
You're right OP, Ukraine is not run by Nazis. It's worse, it is run by the khazarian foreskin mafia.

>>2683419
>not single left party
Is this supposed to impress leftypol?

>>2683784
Wrong. The Marxist position is to cut all money and aid to Ukraine so that the Ukrainian government collapses and the laws created by the Euromaidan coup d'état can be reversed, laws that fuel Ukrainian chauvinism. Ukrainian nationalism, by cutting the rights of minorities in Ukraine and persecuting communists, socialists, and workers' organizations, allows the Russian population to secede, following what Marx and Engels wrote about the Irish. A communist revolution with Russians and Ukrainians would be preferable, but separatism is an acceptable alternative if Ukraine insists on maintaining prejudices that prevent the workers from uniting due to Ukrainian chauvinism since the 2014 coup d'état.

A post-collapse Ukrainian government that cannot use anti-Russian prejudices will be weak and will have to make concessions to communists, which is the best option for the Ukrainian communist party, which is exiled in Belarus. Therefore, sabotaging the factories that are arming Ukraine and other puppets of imperialist capitalism is an obligation. This will also prevent the profit-making through wars that is used to control the imperialist core countries, accelerating the fall in the rate of profit, thus benefiting the communist cause.

>>2683419
>Ukraine wasn't ran by Nazis, that's just what Putin
explain euromaidan in your NATO-approved manner.

>>2683419
Dare to use even that flag, son of a sewage drain. Never forget the martirs of Odessa or all those who have perished in the fight against fascism

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>>2683798

what's the difference?

>>2683419
harsh reality, the fact that neonazis exist does not make ukraine a country of neonazis, ukraine has an active communist movement as well

>>2684740
>ukraine has an active communist movement as well
If you consider the Russians in Donbass to be Ukrainian, sure.

>>2684741
If someone is residing in a country then they are of that country, simple as.

>>2684740
>ukraine has an active communist movement as well
In jail. GTFO Nafo glowtard

>>2684814
might not be a nafoid, could be a time traveler

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>>2683419
>centre right
>honor nazis
do not be deceived. it happens elsewhere in Europe too. Out of all neonazi influencers we have in Slovenia, most of them are associated with SDS and NSi center right parties, or "ex" associates of these parties.
Among the hitler worshippers, hardly anyone is from the SNS which is our "far right"
The center right is the most pro-nazi phenomenon currently in Europe.

1. Ukraine has effectively banned socialist parties which makes it fascist in practice even if it still retains many features of a liberalism.
2. The Ukrainian security apparatus and military is riddled with open fascists who use Nazi imagery.
3. Fascist ideas and figures are made mainstream in Ukraine and even upheld by self-identified liberals.

>retard spends 2 minutes on a Wikipedia entry and acts smug about it

>>2685045
Smug poster

go join the banderites then

>>2683419
>Opinion on Putinist slop
It's impossible to have a rational debate with anyone involved in a war. Russian nationalists are just as delusional as French conscripted to discipline 90% Algerians who hated them or Israelis telling Palestinians it's in their best interest to surrender.

It's interesting how Russia has managed to hold on to the allegiance of a chunk of the leftists who swore allegiance to the USSR but they're dreaming of some communist third force which isn't actually there (and mostly can't be). It's not obvious how the situation ends but it's possible there will be no positive ending, none is possible, there is no good outcome in this story from the very start for everyone. Everything will just get more retarded. People think Russia will magically turn back into the USSR rather than losing a huge part of its military and acquiring a few million unproductive people and a fiscal blackhole for decades while the Russian political system turns a bit more criminal than it is so it can live somewhat longer with a demoralized population that doesn't care.

Weebs getting turned into cannon fodder whose enemies are weebs. Weeb War II. Like imagine that instead of Azov we have the Asuka Battalion and people are posting about how liking Asuka is a sign of Nazism and Ukrainians will then start going out with pictures of Asuka.

>>2684740
Uyghur they genocide ethnic Russians fuck Ukraine to hell and back

>>2695609
No one thinks that shit.
Most just want to see a multipolar world where people aren't constantly under the boot of US imperialism.
Supporting other super powers does this.

>>2695621
and instead of licking the old, gross american boot, they can lick the clean and squeaky russian, chinese, indian, brazillian, or south african boot! (and many more!), really a great innovation for socialism and not just another stablization of capitalism, in which no one but the ruling classes of each of these powerful nations benefits at the expense of a more and more impoverished proletariat

>>2683419
The leadership of all post-Soviet states are fascist in character, and rely on the rehabilitation of fascist historical figures and the construction of anti-communist historical narratives to justify their existence. The idea that Ukraine isn't a fascist state, or that Putin and the Russian state aren't fascist, is patently absurd. The present war is a tragedy that would break the heart of any Bolshevik, not just because it's happened, but because of what fascism and social fascism have done to once-fraternal nations.

>>2683419
>its not run by nazis ! (plz ignore the nazis in charge of the army, security services, and secret services, and all the rehabilitation of historical nazis)

>>2683419
I agree with you that Ukraine is not a nazi/fascist state (in the sense that it's not even remotely similar to Nazi Germany and/or Fascist Italy). But one can't deny that in the ukrainian state apparatus there people who are either literal nazis or sympathetic to neonazism and that there is ongoing rehabilitation of nazi collaborators.

>>2683774
>Ackschyually, they are Socialist Nationalists
I remember getting this kind of response on twitter, lol. (Plus obligatory: B-but Zelensky is a Jew!!1)

>>2695609
>there is no good outcome in this story
the US EU split that seems to be happening could be a good outcome, but im not sure if its really happening

>>2695628
when was the last time the US bombed your country?

>>2695724
>I agree with you that Ukraine is not a nazi/fascist state (in the sense that it's not even remotely similar to Nazi Germany and/or Fascist Italy)
what a retarded thing to say lol
you do know you can be fascist without doing the "WE WUZ ROMANS AND SHIT" larp, right?

>>2695761
To tell a fascist to stop being cringe is an exercise in futility.

>>2695628
Uyghur have the Chinese or the Russians done anything close to the imperialist slaughter the US has done?
You are retarded that doesn't understand historical materialism.


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