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https://www.ynetnews.com/business/article/skeqnl08wg

Members of Kibbutz Hanita are suing the Chinese-controlled Ballet Vision fund for refusing to buy their remaining stake in an intraocular lens plant, citing losses and what it says is a Chinese government ban on new investments in Israel since the war

Members of Kibbutz Hanita near Israel’s northern border are demanding $11 million from Ballet Vision, the Chinese fund that controls 80% of the Hanita Lenses plant, accusing it of refusing to exercise an option to purchase the kibbutz’s remaining shares, according to a lawsuit filed in Tel Aviv District Court.

In a response letter attached to the lawsuit, the Chinese fund said that since the outbreak of the war in Israel, Beijing has classified Israel as a “high-risk area” and imposed a ban on any new Chinese investments in the country, making it impossible to carry out the option.

“Since the outbreak of the fighting in Israel, the Chinese government has classified Israel as a high-risk zone (red category) and prohibited any new Chinese investment in the country,” the fund wrote. “As long as this restriction remains in place, there is no practical operational ability to exercise the option.”

According to the lawsuit, in 2021 the kibbutz sold 74% of Hanita Lenses, which manufactures intraocular lenses for medical use, to Ballet Vision for $35 million. Of that sum, $25 million was paid to kibbutz members, with an additional $10 million injected into the company.
As part of the agreements, the Chinese fund granted the remaining minority shareholders an option to require it to purchase their remaining shares for about $9.5 million, now valued at roughly $11 million, by early December 2025.

The kibbutz claims that its stake was further diluted in two subsequent agreements in 2022, leaving the Chinese fund with about 80% ownership. One dilution followed a $7 million additional investment, while another was tied to a future $8 million investment that has not yet been carried out.
In December, the kibbutz notified the fund of its intention to exercise the option. The lawsuit says the funds are urgently needed due to the war. Hanita, located close to the border, has endured two extremely difficult years, and the money is required for rehabilitation, particularly for older members.
The kibbutz also argues that it has been excluded from the company’s management, which it says is now run centrally by representatives of the Chinese owner, with the board no longer convening. Under these circumstances, it said, retaining shares has become “meaningless.”
The fund, however, cited two reasons for refusing to proceed: heavy operational losses and what it described as the Chinese government’s ban on investing in Israel since the war.
In a December letter, Liu Yuxiao, a Ballet Vision director and the plant’s acting CEO, wrote that the company had accumulated operational losses of about $15 million over three years and bank debt of roughly $4 million, leaving it in severe financial distress by early 2025.
Yuxiao said he took over as CEO in March 2025 in an effort to prevent bankruptcy and claimed the company is now on track to reach operational break-even this year. Still, he argued that discussions about the option are premature and could jeopardize the fragile recovery.
He also pointed again to political constraints, saying the Chinese government’s restrictions have forced the fund to rely on shareholder loans rather than fresh capital injections, limiting its ability to finance the company.

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>>2684422
POV: Your government isn't run by a cabal of child-raping and child-killing and child-eating sociopaths who are blackmailed by jews.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

they're doing that cuz israel talked shit about china and pushed for tiktok being taken over by jewish americans like larry ellison

So basically they're pulling capital out of Israel because the ongoing conflict would put their would-be assets at risk, not due to any kind of ideological line. Not ideal, but I won't bitch about it too much either.

>>2684488
>wage slavery
>rapes the third world
>Israel's 2nd trade partners
<loved by leftoid chuddies regardless
Denglets have perfected liberalism

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>>2684513
Why are dengists so powerful? Did you consider to stop losing?

>>2684531
>Did you consider to stop losing?
Idk the US kinda invaded and opened up our oil for Chinese investors who now fund the government that kill us

But we will give you something to cry "color revolution" about eventually

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>>2684532
>does color revolution
<dengists swoop in again to continue deals
Whoops

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>>2684533
>the color revolution in question
Denglets will be to busy mowing down Chinese workers to think about our now nationalized oil 😍

Wait until the anti-campists start moving the goalposts.

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>>2684563
>Denglets will be to busy mowing down Chinese workers
Mowing them down by having a 98% home ownership rate, public healthcare, sinking grocery prices, rapidly rising purchasing power, EVs, green energy, public transport, free mental health facilities, worker coops, affirmative action, basically a 1.4 billion Nordic SocDem country?
>nationalized oil
…which will still be sold to Dengchads because no country on this planet was 100% autarkic. Venezuela gifted their oil surplus to Cuba and look how they were repaid by you guys, haha.

>>2684584
Call me when your favorite neolib team stops being Israel's 2nd trade partner

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>>2684593
The nationalized oil will be smuggled to the Jasic Soviet as they fight their way to hang the class cuck Xi and his fascist clique and turn their graves into public toilets

Dead Chinese cops = Working class victory
#Soon

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>>2684621
2 more weeks. Reminder that Trotsky was right, lol.

I haven’t seen any evidence in real life that China even exists let alone opposes zionism

They will just go around it by investing in America investors in Israel

>>2684513
scroll.

>china once again proves itself 100000000000000x better than their rival on every single issue
>ultras whine that it's still not as good as the fantasy in their head and the chinese government MVST be overthrown immediately so the CIA can go in and turn it into another balkanized USSR/Yugoslavia situation.

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>Me an Arab when westards tell me I should be grateful Chyna is only Israel's 2nd trading and tech partner and not 1st

OP, imperial-core ultras don't give a shit. The whole "why does China trade with Israel?" was a cope, you can see how they move the goalpost immediately when China stops.

It's always been about their bad conscience and fearing that they will be imperialized upon instead in favor of. You can see this in their replies. There are no rational criteria by which they could accept China, because AES' mere existence is a threat to their class interests.

>>2684773
>AES' mere existence is a threat to their class interests.
It is threat to my class interests as a global south worker. Thank you for recognizing the material roots (le criteria) of my opposition to red liberalism.

>>2684775
Your mentally already a gusano, no matter your location.

>>2684777
>gusano
Define this

>>2684779
An expatriate from an imperialized country who becomes rabidly anti-communist to fit in the West. Comes from the Spanish 'worm.'

>>2684783
I'm a communist and I wish for the total genocide of western libs like you, your ruling class and their partners like denglets

I'm the antithesis of that term but you have nothing against me so I understand why you're brain broken enough to call me that

market socialists tongue my anus


I'm Afrikan communist n' Choynah is killing us! Please help, IMF! 🙏

>I'm literally Arab!!!
Anti china anon is always going on about this. Why are ultras such NPCs? Materialist explanation?

>>2684794
Chyna wouldn't be there without the IMF

>>2684749
>USA gives israel weapons, intelligence, logistical support, defense from iranian strikes, billions of dollars every year, in addition to trading with them, including selling them weapons
<i sleep
>china sells israel non-military commodities
<WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF

btw what arab country do you live in… or are you an arab in the USA?

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>>2684798
china bails african countries out of their IMF loans regularly by giving them 0% interest loans and then forgiving those loans later on. the west calls this "debt trap diplomacy" because it traps the USA by bailing africa out of debt. cheers.

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Man come on
Seething about Israel and glazing the PRC are like THE two biggest topics on /leftypol/
But pointing out the very obvious China-Israel trade relationship doesn't even get a HINT of a reaction?
So fucking stupid, it's impossible to troll people with brains as smooth as this, fucking dumbass website


>>2684749
Arab countries literally help Israel shoot down Iranian missiles, either with AEW&C and hosting American bases or directly participating like Jordan.


>>2688311
They're also installed by the US and backed by China, your point?
Iran has killed 3 US soldiers in the past decade, when Iraq has thousands around, in fact Iran helped the US invade Iraq.

kys brainlet

>>2684422
Based china

>>2688386
Arabs lack agency completely? They are not responsible for their own actions because they are noble brown savages?

>>2688425
>muh free will
>muh personal responsibility

>>2684488
>They banned him because he spoke the truth
replace jews with mossad and epstein and boom you are 100% correct.

>>2688426
In the context of nations, if you had a chance to industrialize but didn't, it's your fault.

>>2688425
> lack agency
i swear to god this is the retarded cope brought in any time imperialism happens and some comprador is installed
<the CIA couped X!
>ummm are you saying X lacks agency and didn't want that?
it's just "she wanted to be raped" but on a country wide scale

>>2688430
>replace idpol/idealism with materialism/class struggle and you are 100% correct
trve.

>>2684749
>Me an Arab
cool it with the identity politics remarks

>>2688432
What? What are you talking about?

>>2684749
Trading with Israel helps China and thus socialism. In contrast arab nationalism has nothing to do with socialism.

>>2684775
how is it against your class interests as a global south worker that china bans all new investment in israel

>>2688430
Isn't it just sementics then?

>>2684800
>USA gives israel weapons, intelligence, logistical support, defense from iranian strikes, billions of dollars every year, in addition to trading with them, including selling them weapons
<i sleep
Who is sleeping on that? Even the most libbed up Western leftists are vehemently opposed to it. You're just trying to deflect legitimate criticism.

>>2684749
China is everyone's 2nd or even 1st trading partner. The stat is meaningless because China shares it with every other country. China trades 10x more with Mexico than they do with Israel (100 billion compared to 12 billion). I would even wager that as percentage of GDP the Arab countries trade far more with Israel than China does. This is just deflection and cope to cover for the fact that almost every Arab government in the region has given up and decided to make peace with Israel and that the workers in the West are too impotent to stop weapons deals between their countries and Israel (which is the real hard power propping up Israel - not China exporting fucking electric cars). If you think Palestinians can't get their state because Zionists wanted to buy electric cars you are retarded.

>>2688461
Delusional

>>2688461
Sobering post

>>2688425
They have agency. That's why they react to their material conditions with stuff like this.

>>2688461
Also the eu gets to cheat by counting each tiny irrelevant nom-country separately instead of as a bloc

>>2688452
using the word jew as a collective noun is a hecking antisemitism and will get you into problems with the amerikkkan thought police

>>2688488
>posts color revolution pic from the booru as an example of agency
this is exactly what we mean


>>2688495
>They are not responsible for their own actions because they are noble brown savages ITS DA CIA
Ok then 😹

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Iraqis hate Bush because the CIA convinced them to

>>2688461
also once again, I've said this in previous threads. using the same website from your screenshot, oec.world, I was able to observe that in 2023 alone, China only sold 2million worth of weapons to israel, mostly civilian firearm replacement parts, not even completed firearms. meanwhile the USA that same year sold israel something like $670 million of weapons, mostly explosive ammunition used in Gaza, in addition to what they give Israel for free (lots of of logicstical supportm, intelligence, and defense from retaliation). So it's not even close. In addition to all the good points you made.

>>2688497
nobody denies the agency of the compradors in accepting help from the CIA, they deny that the results of such collaboration are popular among the rest of the population in the targeted country. you're playing dumb here.

>>2688497
>muh agency
>muh freedom
kys liberal
i bet you think wage labour is voluntary as well


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>>2688502
>libtards actually believe this

Hilarious that thirdie worldists can claim arabs have no responsability, or "free will" or "freedom" at creating the powder keg that the middle east has been for centuries, even before the CIA was created, yet they can't t even bother to point out that this post (and one if them probably wrote that post in the first place) >>2688461 claim that the shipment of military aid towards Israel is solely the responsability of western workers

Truly shows the moral and intellectual inconsistency of these "people".

>>2688430
>>2688436
Usa controls israel, not the other way around

>>2688532
What do retards not get about a dialectical relationship?
They both have effect on each other.

>>2688493
>amerikkkan
Ah yes.
Luckily the rest of the world isn't restrained by such pedantic measures.
Long live China and The Islamic Republic of Iran

>>2688551
Yeah, the same way there's an effect between the gravity of the earth having an effect on my turd as it falls into your mouth and vice versa

>>2688577
It does.
There's a formula for gravitational pull between 2 bodies calculated from mass.
So poop and the earth+me both have pulls.
Much like Israel and the US pull each other

>>2688583
but the relationship is massively asymmetrical which is why the sun revolves around the earth and not vice-versa. orbit is the manifestation of an asymmetrical relationship between two graviational fields. Israel is a moon of the burger reich, but people pretend it is the planet and the burger reich is the moon.

>>2688532
Literally false and making this argument makes you look like a shill

>>2688461
If China's trade with Israel is so insignificant then what justification do they have to continue it?

>>2688671
China is not in a position to commit sanctions in regards to things that are not directly related to their own sovereignty and interests

>>2688671
1. How would they enforce the sanctions on the rest of the world?
2. If they can or get in a position where they can, why shouldn't they wage direct economic war on the US instead of israel, its puppet?

>>2688594
Does the moon not cause the tides to change?
Can the moon not block out the sun?
We are entering an eclipse now or a change of tides.
That is what is going on.

why do ultroids cry about china trading with israel but not with the US?
the US is worse than pissrael tbh

>>2684749
Meet potential based Arab state
>self-destruct every decade over a petty ethnic issue
>do absolutely nothing about Zionism
>actually most of them are fine doing business with Zionists
>even while theyre blowing up Palestine and like three Arab countries
>continue to neglect socialist and workers rights for Islamic slop
>defend Israel whenever they get attacked (whore out to Israel to backstab other Arabs while they're at it)
>collapse after tenth civil war again and beg for money from China again
>see China do business with Israel like every other country
>UHUHURHURRR DURRR CHYNA IS WORKING FOR DUH ZIONISTA JEWISTA AAAAIIEEEEE Y U NO GIBS ME MOAR MONEY DURKADURKA KABOOM

why are they are like this

>>2688989
They do

>>2688989
>the US is worse than pissrael tbh
The US is less risky for China to trade with, it makes sense dengistly for China to trade with the US.

Trade with Israel is blatant gambling and unlikely to have returns worth the risk.

>>2689479
You're just spouting copium nonsense
Israel and the us are the same entity

>>2689127
Meet Arab state
>self-destruct every decade over a petty ethnic issue
>do absolutely nothing about Zionism
>actually most of them are fine doing business with Zionists
>even while theyre blowing up Palestine and their own country
>continue to neglect socialist and workers rights for Islamic slop
>defend Israel whenever they get attacked (whore out to Israel to backstab other Arabs while they're at it)
>collapse after tenth civil war again and beg for aid from Israel again
>do business with Israel like every other country
>UHUHURHURRR DURRR KURDS ARE WORKING FOR DUH ZIONISTA JEWISTA AAAAIIEEEEE Y U NO GIBS ME MOAR KURDISH/DRUZE/ASSYRIAN/YAZIDI/ALEWI HEADS AND SEX SLAVES DURKADURKA KABOOM
Why are they like this?

>>2689507
>oh allah we are weak…

>>2684422
>"The Chinese government bans all new investment in Israel"
>*reads article*
>Some Israelis are claiming that China banned investment in Israel as an economic "high-risk zone".
Y'all will grasp at any kind of straws to pretend China gives anything approaching a shit about Palestine.

>>2689563
Apparently hamas itself is grasping at straws to prove a white maoist from america wrong, lmao

>>2689564
Haitian, actually. But nice try at a lame idpol dismissal though.
>Hamas
Hamas' obviously (and reasonably) self-interested statements and attempts at getting whatever out of China they can doesn't absolve you of responsibility to form an independent Communist analysis of China's tacit collaboration with Zionism.

>>2689563
The Chinese people do, it’s government snd communist party don’t

>>2689574
>The Chinese people do
I never disputed this.
>it’s government and communist party don’t
That's the issue I've already stated, yes.

>>2689571
Wait, why would hamas try to get something out of a zionist collaborator, their mortal enemy?
Are they stupid?

Do they make similar statements about the US, another ally of israel, hoping to get something out of them as well?

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>>2689507
>>2689127
>>2689516
Oh allah we are weak….

>>2684422
Fact Check!
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202602/1355318.shtml

>Recently, when covering an investment dispute between a border-area kibbutz in Israel and a Chinese investment fund, some media outlets claimed that “China prohibits investment in Israel.” The Embassy of China in Israel has issued a clarification on this matter through Channel 12, said the embassy in its WeChat account.


>The embassy noted that after the outbreak of the Gaza conflict on October 7, 2023, China adjusted the travel risk level for areas within Israel in line with international practices…The embassy emphasized that strictly limiting personnel movements and economic activities in extremely high-risk areas is an international practice. Restrictions on economic activities in small, extremely high-risk areas should not be confused with the normal economic and trade exchanges between China and Israel.


>China encourages Israeli personnel to engage with us in various forms of economic and trade cooperation, and hopes that all sectors will actively safeguard bilateral relations and play an active role in advancing China-Israel friendship and practical cooperation.


>China remains Israel's top source of imports in 2024. China kept its position as Israel's largest source of commodity imports for the fifth consecutive year in 2024, according to data issued by Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, the Xinhua News Agency reported. Israeli imports from China reached a record high of $13.53 billion in 2024, a 19.8 percent increase from the $11.29 billion in 2023, per Xinhua.

China is perhaps the country most supportive of Palestine in real terms rather than in just sloganeering and Trots will never stop cheerleading the imperialist encirclement of them "for Palestine".

>>2694381
They have the exact politics as Barack Obama in 2006, stop with this nonsense

China doesn’t exist, it was created in 1905 by the fu manchu novels to justify British naval spending

>>2694323
lmao

Nice struggle session everyone

>>2694401
facts are irrelevant, the theoretical insight into considering such a hypothetical event is more valuable in itself

as LLMS and image generators get more advanced, you'll have to develop the skill to substantiate everything from base principles, because the empirical method will no longer work

>>2689624
Tens of thousands of Jews fled to Sweden to escape the Nazis. Sweden also tacitly collaborated with the Nazis by supplying them with critical war materials throughout WW2. These two things are not mutually exclusive. China's position on the Palestine conflict is (not unlike Sweden's) essentially neutral, so it makes sense that Hamas would try to extract some assistance from them just as Jews fleeing the Holocaust managed to get some help from Sweden. This doesn't change the fact that any trade with Israel is tacit support of Zionism, just as any trade with the Third Reich was tacit support of Nazism.

What's telling about this whole debate is that defences of this policy almost never actually make an argument for why it should continue. The two main responses are either deflection ("America supplies way more to Israel than China does!") or whitewashing ("It's not even a big deal guys don't worry about it"). Nobody can ever come up with a reason why China should continue trade with Israel, just reasons why we should ignore the fact that they do.

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>>2684683
>random out of context quotes

are people actually convinced by this ?

>>2694476
It shouldn't be done because the benefit would be 0 because you can't sanction a proxy without sanctioning its master, while destabilizing the region and world politics in general, which the west would be happy to exploit.

We keep saying this but westoid labor aristocrats are deaf to any new arguments due to their class interests.

Also "why are you saying this at this point in time" is a valid critique, marx himself talks about how petty bourgs like yourself will unconsciously whine and crow about abstract "principles" at the exact moment when it concretely benefits them. Ultras suddenly start bleating about "uh… trading is complicity with genocide through tetriary downstream effects because having a dishwasher frees up an idf soldier's time for genocide" at the exact moment when the west is committing open genocide, sending bombs by hiroshimaload, and exposed to have been engaging in baby rape cannibalism.

You're the mirror image of gusano sympathizing libs who suddenly start caring about "human rights and democracy" in a country they've never heard about at the exact moment when usa is doing regime change ops there.

Also, trade under capitalism does not generate value for either party, marx says it right there at the beginning of capital vol. 1

Labor does, and your vampire society is the one sucking it out of china. Victim blaming



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