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how valid is it to "sneak" communism without people realizing it democratically?

I think we are in the last steps of bourgeois democracy, talking to a friend about my ideologies and how they could not win democratically and he responded by saying "what if you lie to him and that's it? everyone lies anyway, you just arrive democratically and destroy democracy as quickly as possible with some emergency or shit like that

and it's really something that I always thought about, but that a person who doesn't know about politics came to that conclusion makes me think that people could really come to the same conclusion

anyway, what do you think about this? he even told me not to use the word "Communists" to invent something like Peron did with fascism (we are Argentines), what do you think about hiding your idolology so much without losing what your idolology really is? I mean… you change the name, not the ideology

Neither possible nor desirable

humans love myths and idolizing them. just need to make a new word for communism but we'll say we're anti communist and BAM nu-communist movement

the communists disdain to conceal their aims

but seriously, winning by obfuscation is not winning. we make people see the truth and give them a way to act on it, or we lose.

In chans, I call everyone who wants to cut pensions or health/education a communist since they dont want to adhere to the contract that was made under free market

R8

>>2684642
People only care about “truth” that’s either convenient or emotionally satisfying to them, what of that is there in any of Marx’s Proto Zionist screeds to anyone in the 21st century?

>>2684652
Good god you have no life huh

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How about this . Genetic engineer designer babies to be socialist with out them knowing it remove capitalist and competitive drives from the brain. Remove all individualization like loneliness and desire and fear of losing one’s self

>>2684627
>"what if you lie to him and that's it?"
No that's a bad idea. Unless you're a really good liar, but you're probably not.

>you just arrive democratically and destroy democracy as quickly as possible with some emergency or shit like that

This is the crux of the problem about why the normies don't like communists. Or at least a lot of people who identify as communists. They don't view revolution as a movement of the masses which they hope to associate with, they view it as a set of policies which THEY impose on those BENEATH them. Or that's how they're perceived by normies who are at all even aware that communists still exist beyond vague historical cartoon villains.

>anyway, what do you think about this?

Think the average normie is sympathetic to a sort of socialism that boils down to better wages and shorter working hours + nobody bossing them around. On the other hand, the theoretical Marxist might be correct that this isn't possible without a radical reorganization of society, and the normie is not, but at any rate there's a big gap there and I don't think the normies will respond well to communists if they come across as either speaking an alien language or appear like they're trying to impose themselves on the normies. The normies might fuck it up but they're perfectly capable of fucking things up on their own thank you very much.

>>2684627
You really don’t on a large scale. You’re supposed to stand tall with communism ad you push for historical progression.

>>2684652
>Marx’s Proto Zionist screeds
his what

>>2695602
anon will never elaborate. it was just ragebait

>>2684993
Lying is a bad idea, but I don't think you have to make communist symbolism central to the hypothetical Movement. I don't think the aims of socialism are that disagreeable to the average person as long as it doesn't involve establishing stalinism again or whatever. The key issue here is trust between the Movement and the workers, as well as confidence of the workers in their own strength. Another thing Marxists struggle to understand with their disdain for liberalism is the fact that society doesn't take kindly to party hegemony over politics. Many of the countries in the former Warsaw Pact face worse living standards than they did under AES yet they are more stable now. That's partially because capitalism and bourgeois society is not held together by a party of individuals or a single ideology that can be blamed for everything that happens in these countries. If socialism ever makes a comeback, it will be based on a constitution instead of a party.

You guys are retarded Fidel Castro up until he had power. He told everybody that he's not a communist and that he has no marxism in his ideas. Even in New York times, reporter who went up into the mountains with them for a long period of time, he did not believe they were communists or Marxist. It was not till after he got power that he said that he does believe in Marxism and that he's a communist

So it's like hilarious for some of you to say that this is unheard of or anti-communist to do. You guys really need to read up on history. It's evident that many of you don't read whatsoever

>>2684627
Bourgeoisie would react immediately to any kind of threat towards their properties and power status.


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