Is there an inherent spiritual element to Marxist values? If you look at history you will notice that despite religious restrictions, the most diehard supporters of Marxism were religious at some point or even stayed religious afterwards.
Likewise, many spiritual traditionalist philosophers in today recognize that Marxism has "esoteric" and "spiritual" themes. And that is true even more for the Bolshevik revolution and Bolshevism.
What do you think, why is this?
>Duginslop
This man is so retarded that I'm starting to wish the Ukrainians killed him instead of his daughter. Fascist idiot has done far more damage to Russia staying alive than he ever could as a martyr.
>Is there an inherent spiritual element to Marxist values?<The history of early Christianity has notable points of resemblance with the modern working-class movement. Like the latter, Christianity was originally a movement of oppressed people: it first appeared as the religion of slaves and emancipated slaves, of poor people deprived of all rights, of peoples subjugated or dispersed by Rome. Both Christianity and the workers’ socialism preach forthcoming salvation from bondage and misery; Christianity places this salvation in a life beyond, after death, in heaven; socialism places it in this world, in a transformation of society […] The parallel between the two historic phenomena forces itself upon our attention as early as the Middle Ages in the first risings of the oppressed peasants and particularly of the town plebeians. These risings, like all mass movements of the Middle Ages, were bound to wear the mask of religion and appeared as the restoration of early Christianity from spreading degeneration […] And just as all those who have nothing to look forward to from the official world or have come to the end of their tether with it – opponents of inoculation, supporters of abstemiousness, vegetarians, anti-vivisectionists, nature-healers, free-community preachers whose communities have fallen to pieces, authors of new theories on the origin of the universe, unsuccessful or unfortunate inventors, victims of real or imaginary injustice who are termed “good-for-nothing pettifoggers” by all bureaucracy, honest fools and dishonest swindlers – all throng to the working-class parties in all countries – so it was with the first Christians.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894/early-christianity/ >>2684989Fascism is when you're anti-nationalist and want your wider civilization to have a sovereign existence.
No, God isn’t real, demons and ghosts aren’t real, if they were you would have thousands of screaming ghosts making even visiting the battlefields of WWI, the Taiping Rebellion, or the Paraguayan war would be impossible. Socialism is about real life and how you’re getting fucked over in real life, God won’t stop that, only you can.
>>2685056That wasn't the question, retard. Spirituality doesn't mean spirits, it means part of the human brain that inclines us towards spiritual thinking.
Liking nature is for example spiritual, because there is no material benefit to parks existing, but there is spiritual one.
>>2685059There’s absolutely material reasons to keep parks and bits of untouched nature, there’s the herbs, deer and bears to hunt, wood to harvest, even just being in the clean, natural air is healthy compared to stale indoor air
>>2685062There is no material value in hunting because herding and livestock provides more meat that can be better controlled for diseases. Herbs can be farmed industrially for better results.
Healthy air can also be measured through experiments and therefore a cleaning industrial device can be produced that makes the healthiest possible air.
The only reasons not to are spiritual, it is depressing and it will cause you to kill yourself
>>2684986>communism<spirituality<philosophykill yourself
>>2685065There’s absolutely material value in hunting, especially if your country eliminated predators for deer/antelope and their overpopulation causes car accidents, gophers dig holes that cows step in and break their legs, foxes kill chickens, wild pigs cause huge amounts of destruction to both nature and human agricultural infrastructure.
>>2685062Parks are not used for lumber lmfao. You're thinking of forests. In the US the two are managed by completely different departments (Department of the Interior and Department of Agriculture) and I doubt its different elsewhere.
>>2685069If there were no forests there would be no overpopulation of deer and wild pigs.
>>2685065Also human farms don’t have the biodiversity nature does, every breakthrough in medicine in the past 30 years has come from a previously undiscovered species in the Amazon that cattle ranchers would have clear cut
>>2685072Wild pigs are a problem because of pig farms, the only difference between a feral hog and livestock is what side of the fence it’s on, they’re highly intelligent, breed quickly, and get through fences all the time
>>2685073biodiversity could be better emulated in labs and closed down areas where humans are not allowed to go.
>>2685076Industrial farms typically have walls, not fences.
>>2685080Again, that doesn’t stop pigs from escaping and America is losing the fight against its invasive hog population
>>2685079Motherfucker how are you going to emulate something you haven’t discovered yet because it’s in a completely obscure corner of the Amazon or the Congo?
>>2685086You can emulate biodiversity which will according to you lead to discoveries, yes?
>>2685086Do you think a park is any place where there wasn't been development.
>>2685090And what’s really fucked up is that it’s losing this fight because ranchers in Texas and Arkansas profit off hunters trying to cull the pig population, the state will pay you for hog ears but the rancher capitalist wants you to pay anywhere from $500 to $3000 to do HIS PEST CONTROL depending on if you already own an automatic rifle or if you want to use the helicopter
>>2685093Real life doesn’t work like computers where you download zsnes and boom, you can play all the Mario World and Metroid that you want, scientists don’t even live the thousands of years you would need for an in lab Amazon or Congo
>>2685100That sounds like an artificially created problem to extract money from people again. If you have to pay ranchers to do work for them, then I am inclined to believe that they are perfectly capable of doing it themselves but don't want to.
>>2685101No, but you could *transfer* populations of all those species in some closed off area and then industrialize that land.
>>2684989only westoids think dugin is important and relevant in russia
>>2685103They want to make money off the feral hogs, not actually eradicate them like what’s necessary. They’re one of a few animals that actually deserve something like Mao’s Four Pests Campaign.
Communism in a word is the material application of Christianity with the asiatic mode of production, to deny the spiritual element is peak idealism
>>2685129That's eleven words
>Is there an inherent spiritual element to Marxist values?
No.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Yes Marxists worship the World Spirit.
>>2685100>the state will pay you for hog earshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Meridian>>2685882>Marxists worship the World Spiritnative Americans developed a ecological dialectical view of history with their understanding of the Great Spirit
<The Cherokee of North America feature the ghost plant in some of their creation stories. The legend states that the plant was named "Indian pipe" due to a group of chiefs quarreling without resolution, while passing a pipe around during the dispute; the Great Spirit then turned the chiefs into the plant, as they should have smoked the sacred pipe after making peace with each other. The plant is said to grow wherever friends have quarreled.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotropa_uniflora>Unlike most plants, it is white and does not contain chlorophyll. Instead of generating food using the energy from sunlight, it is parasitic, and more specifically a mycoheterotroph. Its hosts are in the Russulaceae family. Most fungi are mycorrhizal, meaning that they grow symbiotically in association with tree roots. Through the fungal web of mycorrhizae, the M. uniflora roots ultimately sap food from where the host fungi are connected to the photosynthetic trees. The clustered node roots of this plant are covered in hairs called cystidium. The cystidia found on these roots allow easy attachment to fungi hyphae, such as can be seen in ectomycorrhiza. Since it is not dependent on sunlight to grow, it can grow in very dark environments like in the understory of dense forests. The complex relationship that allows this plant to grow makes propagation difficult. mycorrhizal fungi is praxxxiiiiissssss
Animism kinda.
Communists are the least spiritual people in the world.
>>2686308There's nothing wrong with this
>>2686320People don't want to be governed why weird soulless freaks
>>2686321Most people don't care about things like "soulless" and "spiritual"
Most world governments are secular
>>2684996>Implying Dugin is a Marxist, or likes Lenin or any other Bolshevik leaders, when he constantly shits on them on his telegram page>>2685050>Fascism is when you're anti-nationalist and want your wider civilization to have a sovereign existence.Fascism is capitalism in decay. Dugin supports capitalism, invites fascist parties to coordinate within Russia, and is the head of an institute named after a Russian fascist who supported Hitler during WW2 (Ivan Ilyin).
Death to Fascism.
Death to Capitalism.
Death to Dugin.
>>2684989Sorry you got filtered.
I'm already a Worker at The Church of The Holy Carpenter. Christian Marxism is flourishing.
>>2686339>fascism is capitalism in decayHow does capitalism decay?
>>2686362You really, really should read Imperialism The Highest Stage of Capitalism by Lenin. Its essential reading. He describes the features of moribund capitalism there.
>>2686365Did Lenin word for word say that capitalism was "decaying"?
>>2686371I'm pretty sure Lenin wrote in Russian.
>>2686373Was it translated as "decaying"?
>>2686339>>2686362>>2686365"capitalism in decay" is easily the most fucking retarded and vibes-based """"definition""" of fascism lmfao and reducing lenins analysis and critique to braindead sloganeering is about what id expect from this pseud hole
fascism is a bit more difficult to pin down because fascism isnt even a form of production, its literally just an ideal, and as an ideal its far more abstract than "socialism" or "capitalism" could ever be
like per the standards of classical/italian fascism hitler would not even be considered a fascist, and most natsocs that are literate (exceedingly few) explicitly recognize the distinction between the two btw
>>2686362people will say this shit with a straight face under perfectly normal capitalism, with no challenge to capital, with no destabilised government but uhhhh theres like some trade disputes between the two big capitalist superpowers of today or something lol
>>2686825>"capitalism in decay" is easily the most fucking retarded and vibes-based """"definition""" of fascism lmfao and reducing lenins analysis and critique to braindead sloganeering is about what id expect from this pseud holeThat would actually be Umberto Eco's utter garbage 14points
>>2684986I almost died from reading that OP, who let bro cook
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