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>video about how to start a successful insurgency
>outright says you should never have strong centralized leadership because it will lead to authoritarianism
now I don’t hate Anarchists, but it’s hard to take some modern anarchists seriously when they make claims like this. That said online tankies have some equally questionable takes on military matters, but Anarchists sometimes seem to have the worst and most nonsensical of them.

Can you make a critique or are you just going to state you don't agree

>>2690156
It's just not historically supported. Insurgent military organizations are incredibly hierarchical. I think this misconception stems from a shitty analysis of capitalist insurgencies in MENA where individually each organization is hierarchical and has leadership, but as a whole they compete with each other, making the insurgent "movement" seem leaderless as a whole. But there's no such thing as the insurgent movement, it's just various organizations with their own territorial claims, goals, beliefs, etc. And this competition leads to mergers and infiltration as well, so the stronger organizations end up eating the weaker ones, further strengthening the hierarchical aspect. So there's no real merit to the "decentralized insurgency" model outside of a very stupid empiricist reading where you just look at the situation (during civil war with many factions) and go "looks like there's no single leader and all these groups just kind of popped up in different spots". These groups aren't all working towards the same goal so lumping them in together is wrong, and additionally this is only a snapshot of a moment in time before consolidation. In the end one group wins out, and their hierarchy becomes the basis of a new state.

Things like resistance movements and organized crime will naturally crop up where the conditions are right, making it seem like they're part of some unbeatable decentralized movement. In reality it's many small centralized groups that aren't coordinated with each other, with their own specific aims, and which have very little power to do anything precisely because they don't have organization across wider geographical areas. As usual, anarchists love imagining a spontaneous "movement" out of the reality of multiple points of organized activity. Their level of centralization across local groups determines the power they are able to wield, because it means many more people acting towards the same goals at once, as compared to local groups which only serve their own interests. Nothing interesting comes out of anarchist analysis, their understanding is basically tautology, that the weakest form of organization that all juvenile organizations take is the form which has the most success because it has the most expression, when in reality it's only that it has the most expression because it's a stage all organizations pass through, while powerful and mature organizations end up requiring centralization across large geographic areas. But those are less common and do more to challenge state power, putting them in dangerous existential conflict that either ends in them being snuffed out or them being integrated with or replacing the state.

>>2690141
Just read Nechayev? Its what Lenin and Stalin did.
He told you exactly how to lead a successful insurgency.

>>2690156
Dismissing centralized leadership because it might recreate authoritarianism is a naive sentiment I’ve seen from many Western or Westernized leftists. As the other user pointed out, insurgent groups are often in conflict with one another due to ethnic, religious and regional differences, which makes it difficult to unite them. Having a widely popular leader can actually be a powerful unifying force, because even rebel factions that don’t necessarily agree with the leader’s ideology may rally behind them once they become a de-fact symbol of resistance. This dynamic was evident in Yugoslavia with Tito.

The Duties of the Revolutionary toward Himself

1. The revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no personal interests, no business affairs, no emotions, no attachments, no property, and no name. Everything in him is wholly absorbed in the single thought and the single passion for revolution.

2. The revolutionary knows that in the very depths of his being, not only in words but also in deeds, he has broken all the bonds which tie him to the social order and the civilized world with all its laws, moralities, and customs, and with all its generally accepted conventions. He is their implacable enemy, and if he continues to live with them it is only in order to destroy them more speedily.

3. The revolutionary despises all doctrines and refuses to accept the mundane sciences, leaving them for future generations. He knows only one science: the science of destruction. For this reason, but only for this reason, he will study mechanics, physics, chemistry, and perhaps medicine. But all day and all night he studies the vital science of human beings, their characteristics and circumstances, and all the phenomena of the present social order. The object is perpetually the same: the surest and quickest way of destroying the whole filthy order.

4. The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way.

5. The revolutionary is a dedicated man, merciless toward the State and toward the educated classes; and he can expect no mercy from them. Between him and them there exists, declared or concealed, a relentless and irreconcilable war to the death. He must accustom himself to torture.

6. Tyrannical toward himself, he must be tyrannical toward others. All the gentle and enervating sentiments of kinship, love, friendship, gratitude, and even honor, must be suppressed in him and give place to the cold and single-minded passion for revolution. For him, there exists only one pleasure, one consolation, one reward, one satisfaction – the success of the revolution. Night and day he must have but one thought, one aim – merciless destruction. Striving cold-bloodedly and indefatigably toward this end, he must be prepared to destroy himself and to destroy with his own hands everything that stands in the path of the revolution.

7. The nature of the true revolutionary excludes all sentimentality, romanticism, infatuation, and exaltation. All private hatred and revenge must also be excluded. Revolutionary passion, practiced at every moment of the day until it becomes a habit, is to be employed with cold calculation. At all times, and in all places, the revolutionary must obey not his personal impulses, but only those which serve the cause of the revolution.
The Relations of the Revolutionary toward his Comrades

8. The revolutionary can have no friendship or attachment, except for those who have proved by their actions that they, like him, are dedicated to revolution. The degree of friendship, devotion and obligation toward such a comrade is determined solely by the degree of his usefulness to the cause of total revolutionary destruction.

9. It is superfluous to speak of solidarity among revolutionaries. The whole strength of revolutionary work lies in this. Comrades who possess the same revolutionary passion and understanding should, as much as possible, deliberate all important matters together and come to unanimous conclusions. When the plan is finally decided upon, then the revolutionary must rely solely on himself. In carrying out acts of destruction, each one should act alone, never running to another for advice and assistance, except when these are necessary for the furtherance of the plan.

10. All revolutionaries should have under them second- or third-degree revolutionaries – i.e., comrades who are not completely initiated. These should be regarded as part of the common revolutionary capital placed at his disposal. This capital should, of course, be spent as economically as possible in order to derive from it the greatest possible profit. The real revolutionary should regard himself as capital consecrated to the triumph of the revolution; however, he may not personally and alone dispose of that capital without the unanimous consent of the fully initiated comrades.

11. When a comrade is in danger and the question arises whether he should be saved or not saved, the decision must not be arrived at on the basis of sentiment, but solely in the interests of the revolutionary cause. Therefore, it is necessary to weigh carefully the usefulness of the comrade against the expenditure of revolutionary forces necessary to save him, and the decision must be made accordingly.
The Relations of the Revolutionary toward Society

12. The new member, having given proof of his loyalty not by words but by deeds, can be received into the society only by the unanimous agreement of all the members.

13. The revolutionary enters the world of the State, of the privileged classes, of the so-called civilization, and he lives in this world only for the purpose of bringing about its speedy and total destruction. He is not a revolutionary if he has any sympathy for this world. He should not hesitate to destroy any position, any place, or any man in this world. He must hate everyone and everything in it with an equal hatred. All the worse for him if he has any relations with parents, friends, or lovers; he is no longer a revolutionary if he is swayed by these relationships.

14. Aiming at implacable revolution, the revolutionary may and frequently must live within society while pretending to be completely different from what he really is, for he must penetrate everywhere, into all the higher and middle-classes, into the houses of commerce, the churches, and the palaces of the aristocracy, and into the worlds of the bureaucracy and literature and the military, and also into the Third Division and the Winter Palace of the Czar.

15. This filthy social order can be split up into several categories. The first category comprises those who must be condemned to death without delay. Comrades should compile a list of those to be condemned according to the relative gravity of their crimes; and the executions should be carried out according to the prepared order.

16. When a list of those who are condemned is made, and the order of execution is prepared, no private sense of outrage should be considered, nor is it necessary to pay attention to the hatred provoked by these people among the comrades or the people. Hatred and the sense of outrage may even be useful insofar as they incite the masses to revolt. It is necessary to be guided only by the relative usefulness of these executions for the sake of revolution. Above all, those who are especially inimical to the revolutionary organization must be destroyed; their violent and sudden deaths will produce the utmost panic in the government, depriving it of its will to action by removing the cleverest and most energetic supporters.

17. The second group comprises those who will be spared for the time being in order that, by a series of monstrous acts, they may drive the people into inevitable revolt.

18. The third category consists of a great many brutes in high positions, distinguished neither by their cleverness nor their energy, while enjoying riches, influence, power, and high positions by virtue of their rank. These must be exploited in every possible way; they must be implicated and embroiled in our affairs, their dirty secrets must be ferreted out, and they must be transformed into slaves. Their power, influence, and connections, their wealth and their energy, will form an inexhaustible treasure and a precious help in all our undertakings.

19. The fourth category comprises ambitious office-holders and liberals of various shades of opinion. The revolutionary must pretend to collaborate with them, blindly following them, while at the same time, prying out their secrets until they are completely in his power. They must be so compromised that there is no way out for them, and then they can be used to create disorder in the State.

20. The fifth category consists of those doctrinaires, conspirators, and revolutionists who cut a great figure on paper or in their cliques. They must be constantly driven on to make compromising declarations: as a result, the majority of them will be destroyed, while a minority will become genuine revolutionaries.

21. The sixth category is especially important: women. They can be divided into three main groups. First, those frivolous, thoughtless, and vapid women, whom we shall use as we use the third and fourth category of men. Second, women who are ardent, capable, and devoted, but whom do not belong to us because they have not yet achieved a passionless and austere revolutionary understanding; these must be used like the men of the fifth category. Finally, there are the women who are completely on our side – i.e., those who are wholly dedicated and who have accepted our program in its entirety. We should regard these women as the most valuable or our treasures; without their help, we would never succeed.
The Attitude of the Society toward the People

22. The Society has no aim other than the complete liberation and happiness of the masses – i.e., of the people who live by manual labor. Convinced that their emancipation and the achievement of this happiness can only come about as a result of an all-destroying popular revolt, the Society will use all its resources and energy toward increasing and intensifying the evils and miseries of the people until at last their patience is exhausted and they are driven to a general uprising.

23. By a revolution, the Society does not mean an orderly revolt according to the classic western model – a revolt which always stops short of attacking the rights of property and the traditional social systems of so-called civilization and morality. Until now, such a revolution has always limited itself to the overthrow of one political form in order to replace it by another, thereby attempting to bring about a so-called revolutionary state. The only form of revolution beneficial to the people is one which destroys the entire State to the roots and exterminated all the state traditions, institutions, and classes in Russia.

24. With this end in view, the Society therefore refuses to impose any new organization from above. Any future organization will doubtless work its way through the movement and life of the people; but this is a matter for future generations to decide. Our task is terrible, total, universal, and merciless destruction.

25. Therefore, in drawing closer to the people, we must above all make common cause with those elements of the masses which, since the foundation of the state of Muscovy, have never ceased to protest, not only in words but in deeds, against everything directly or indirectly connected with the state: against the nobility, the bureaucracy, the clergy, the traders, and the parasitic kulaks. We must unite with the adventurous tribes of brigands, who are the only genuine revolutionaries in Russia.

26. To weld the people into one single unconquerable and all-destructive force – this is our aim, our conspiracy, and our task.


(This is the real anarchist position btw, not the faggy liberal fake modern "anarchist" position on warfare)

>>2690171
See >>2690172 for the real anarchist position on warfare.
Plus the real anarchists have realized four more things:
-Human experiments are good and you should do as UNIT 731 did
-Chemical warfare is good
-Biological warfare is good
-Disregard all GENEVA conventions, they're bourgeois

I can confirm this because I know the real anarcho-communists. They're all in Bulgaria. They approve of all of this. And they will fix the IFA and make all anarchist federations great again.

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>>2690172
Decent, but this is probably the best and most realistic, least ideological and most grounded approach to guerrilla warfare, probably even better than Che and Mao.

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I think the issue comes down to the fact that the people who advocate for a revolution in the West are often the least qualified to carry one out. They tend to place more importance on who they consider more marginalized rather than on who is actually more capable. Isolated indigenous communities are not all natural guerrilla insurgents and especially not various urban ethnic enclave populations.
You need experienced military personnel, both Infantry soldiers and Officers, to train the population. You would also need able-bodied, physically fit people willing to be trained, along with financial resources (either from an external power or acquired by force). On top of that the state you are fighting against would likely need to be significantly weakened, already engaged in another war, internal conflict or suffering from severe Instability. Without those conditions, success would be not possible.

>>2690141
>I don’t hate Anarchists
Problemo numero uno

>>2690141
guerilla warfare and insurgencies sucess rate is overrated

>>2690213
yeah, the vast majority of them aren't like vietnam or cuba, if they were then insurgents would have overthrown every latin american dictatorship, cuba only won in part because of the non-insurgent population not supporting or joining in on the revolution

right argument for the wrong reasons.

the reason why you don't want centralized leadership is to keep every cell acting independently so there's no way to sever the head of a movement, a vanguard party could work in theory but should still keep the interference to a minimum, so not to cause a delay on direct action with bureaucratic hellscape.

thus training and proper education and establishment of a modus operandi and overall doctrine should be in a perfect world; the way to go for any kind of organization.

by definition i will always be an anarchist, no matter how "tankie" my opinions get and my stance against independentism.
i'm just a dreamer like that, even if the dream turns to nightmare sometimes, i can wake up and dream another dream.

it's not even idealism at this point, i might not ever see it happen in a couple lives, or maybe ever, i won't cry about it, that dream keeps me fighting and that's what keeps me alive.

freedom of association implies freedom to allow leadership so long as the relation to said leadership is based on said freedom of association and consent, this leadership typically based on expertise, ie the person in the group with the most experience with firearms, leads the firearms class. this is voluntary.

there's this specific sort of individualist anarchism that was almost certainly fermented in the types of discussions we read in the Epstein files by CIA spooks in the 80s and 90s

>>2690213
>>2690214
It only works when you have a comically incompetent state whose Army is basically a glorified extra police force, whic pre-revolutionary Cuba was. When Che tried a similar thing in Bolivia, he failed because it had a half-decent Army.

>>2690221
Esse anime é muito bom, mas por vezes fica bastante pretensioso kkkkkkk. Acho que só perde para Ergo Proxy nisso.

>Comrades who possess the same revolutionary passion and understanding should, as much as possible, deliberate all important matters together and come to unanimous conclusions.
<Beat and murdered a comrade who disagreed with him about distributing leaflets.

>>2690265
And despite its reactionary coup, Bolivia’s 1952 revolution gave peasants a certain stake in the political system unavailable to Cuban sugar farmers.

>>2690265
Hell, Bolivia was perhaps the single worst country he could have tried this in. Its leader, Rene Barrientos was actually popular with the peasantry due to land reforms and the fact that he was part Quechua and could speak the language. From the perspective of the Bolivian peasantry, he was one of their own and a man of the people. These factors would have made an insurgent revolution basically impossible in Bolivia.
Che may have had a better chance in the Congo, but the problem there was the congolese themselves. Cultural attitudes made military discipline and training extremely difficult. Men from different tribes refused to work together, even men from the same villages but from different social castes avoided one another. they considered manual labor to be something done by slaves or servants, not free men like themselves and viewed it as an insult when Che and the other Cubans tried to teach them how to build trenches.

>>2690172
too few people meet the very strict criteria Sergei Nechaev lays out in his catechism. in real life you will have to form a coalition with people who have endlessly variable needs and levels of commitment. One day your best organizer might suddenly have a kid or an elder to take care of. Some might get cancer and be stuck in the hospital for years. Real life is messy. Sergei Nechaev did not live up to his own catechism, though he came close, and even someone like Lenin still has a wife and family members who were thankfully also revolutionary.

>>2690221
You’re so based and sexy Sabinyak uwu

>>2690344
More significantly, he worked with former Tsarist officers, as well as Imperal professionals, bureaucrats and engineers, despite the wishes of some of the other Bolsheviks and that's the only reason the USSR ever managed to survive. Hell there were more Tsarist officers and NCOs with the Red's than on the White side.

>>2690214
The revolution in Cuba was incredibly situational and anyone who thinks it can be applied to any nation is retarded. Pre-Castro Cuba was barely a state. The small Army that existed was concentrated in a handful of large cities, while the rural regions were largely isolated plantations.
In the very first battle, Castro's forces fought against an Army barracks, they lost 60 of the 82 men they came with. It really could have ended there for them, but they retreated to the most isolated regions of Cuba, where neither the Army nor the police had much presence. They would attack individual plantations, free the peasants, ask for whatever resources they could and recruit capable men to join them. They trained these men and slowly, gradually built up a power base.
By the time Batista realized how serious the situation had become, the rebels controlled the eastern part of the island and his American business backers had lost faith in him and the Army was too poor and corrupt to mount an effective response.
You cannot replicate that method in the United States. If a handful of rebels tried taking over a small farm, they would be shot. The police would respond quickly and they would either be dead or arrested.

>>2690170
lenin mocked nechayev tho


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