OR what's less reactionary?
Rooting for China / Supporting China or Doing Your Own Thing?
If you do your own thing you are small and weak, but if you're with China you're reaping the benefits and are big.
What will it be? Will you become a sinophile or a sectarian?
Listen Left Fichteans, THERE IS NO SYNTHESIS. You're either an ultras or you're not. You either support China or you don't.
There is no muhdik bothsides-ing it, there is no fencesitting.
Its one team versus the other.
The choice is yours.
What’s the point of being a cinephile if you aren’t Chinese or at the very least living in China? They’re not gonna give you money or guns or scream in your name at the UN secure council, they’re only interested in manufacturing treats for westerners, it’s made them rich, to be rich is great.
>>2691239To make your country Sinophilic and hope that it will one day become a colony for China.
If China won't invade us then its our duty to make ourselves invaded for China.
If China won't spread a revolution here then its our duty to make ourselves part of China.
We want our cultures, beliefs and histories to be completely trashed and replaced with that of China.
But there is one problem, China's language is fucking shit, so most sinophiles quit before they can spend 10-15 years of their life mastering the chinese language.
Its not that english is better, its that england colonized the world before China did, so we have to somehow convince people to learn chinese, once they learn chinese the sunk cost will be too great for them to turn their backs on China, they will have to go the full way and become sinophiles.
And while we understand chinese ethnonationalism and that no cringy foreigner can ever become a naturalized chinese man, we would gladly be China first foreigners.
>>2691231Let's not have another cold war.
China is awesome, their culture is rich, they have a solid government which by most standards is better than the American. No reason to shit on them.
If you live in the imperial core it's like my mom used to say "if you don't got nothin nice to say, then don't say nothin at all"
>>2691306Marx isn't a god and Marxism isn't a dogma.
You're critique does not exist in a vacuum, you are most likely a burger treatlerite much like myself. No one except the western bourgeoisie wants another cold war. I see no reason till tonhelp accomplish their goals. It is not strategic.
>>2691291>But there is one problem, China's language is fucking shit, so most sinophiles quit before they can spend 10-15 years of their life mastering the chinese language. the tvrthnvke that kliled /prc/…
>>2691545This genre of writing that certain socialist authors partake in - what I would loosely call the "Yes, and?" smugposting really pisses me off because it's the writing equivalent of clickbait since every time you read these articles you instantly find out that the title is not true, and actually the author does want to build a better culture and civilization, and doesn't want to actually "destroy" the good things, he just redefined all terms so that he could claim that building something better was destroying, in order to grab the attention of random readers.
If there is a role to be played by chins is that of a non interventionist super power. That is their mantra. They wont help ypu but they wont stop you.
>but if you're with China
It often is detrimental to be a communist, if you want Chinese support, so doing your own thing is the only way.
>>2691575>They wont help ypuThey are helping Iran militarily. Same goes for Russia.
>>2691654Er i mean they wont provide support for government change but theyre not trying to dictate how people should govern their countries… as long as they can still conduct business… really im not a sinophile but theyre us would try to spread their version if capitalist democracy and get countries indebted to the imf i mean.
China is so non interventionist that China they brokered a deal with trump to sell tiawan 1 billion in US arms to fight china and will keep buying soybeans to help the American war machine going . China wants to be accepted by the US so bad it’s hilarious they are falling over themselves to support American imperialism
>>2691231neither.
progress means bringing us closer to communism
in fuedalism capitalism is progressive because it creates industry and productive forces bring us closer to communism.
in imperialism national bourgiosie is progressive because it creates industry and productive forces bring us closer to communism.
in china dengism is progressive because it creates industry and productive forces bring us closer to communism.
"suppoorting" more accurately "rooting for" china is not progressive, but china is progressive.
unless by "support" you mean material support, like getting a job at a defense contractor and sending schematics to the cpc
>>2693222The toothless criticism without material action is a contradiction we see with many armchair Marxists
>>2691231Why do you think these are mutually exclusive?
>>2693259If you're not rooting for China you're doing your own thing, if you're doing your own thing you're not rooting for China. If doing your own thing is rooting for China then you're not doing your own thing - you're rooting for China.
>>2691231>If you do your own thing you are small and weakIn what? Criticism of China doesn't entail a lack of wider unity in the revolutionary movement or blind sectarianism. History shows us that it's struggle that generates unity.
>if you're with China you're reaping the benefits and are bigWhat benefits? Can't be funding, as China has long maintained a policy of not directly supporting any Communist Parties or forces outside of China. Can't be credibility, as no genuine revolutionary movement has had its popularity with the masses pinned to its support of an external force. In fact, as many of you have observed with color revolutions, export of an internal struggle like national revolution to an external force is a deeply reactionary position.
>>2693341Lol you don't understand what you're doing
>>2693341those are good points
>>2693347why is he wrong
>If you do your own thing you are small and weak, but if you're with China you're reaping the benefits and are big.
You're small and weak either way, cheerleading China on the internet doesn't entitle you to claim ownership of their accomplishments, despite what some people on leftypol seem to think.
What the fuck is this retarded binary system?
>>2693369> cheerleading China on the internet doesn't entitle you to claim ownership of their accomplishmentshow
phucking
dare
you
Why would you cheerlead for a fictional creation of the US military to justify their budget? You might as well be playing and debating the factions in Fallout New Vegas
I don't see how rooting for China like /leftypol/ or left twitter does is progressive. I like China and I just want my own country to have good relationships with China instead of sucking US dick. But that's not for me to decide. I can't change this.
When you are in Beijing, the striking thing is that it's not that different from the West. There are some differences of course, and we could spend a lot time enumerating them all, from using AliPay instead of cash, to security checks in the subway and train stations; from China having the highest rate of electric vehicles use in the world, to statistical details regarding SOEs and co-ops.
But there is a reason why the CPC says "Socialism by 2050": it implies China isn't socialist right now.
Sit down and watch. Let them do their own thing.
If you want to change the world, start with your own country and local community instead of being the spectator of your own life.
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