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>"As a leader, one of the things that you need to understand is you need to stop looking at generative AI and AI and AI agents and all these things as just technical things that you go and approach. You need to think of them fundamentally differently. And I think the model you need to think of is that AI is labor. You wanna think about AI as the future that you use to augment your workforce and to give your workforce additional capacity. Every person in your workforce is going to be using AI to give them additional labor to support them. They're gonna become leaders. Now, some people think, well, this AI stuff, it's only really isolated to certain specific roles."

Dr. Jules White
Professor of Computer Science
University of Maryland, College Park
Vanderbilt University

>>2694130
Le dead labour?

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>>2694132
Yes. Constant capital.

>>2694136
So what is that egghead saying? Everyone has phones and computers already. Whats the difference?

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>>2694132
No. Undead. Robots are zombies

>>2694136
How does AI not have labour power?

>>2694145
Because it just doesnt okay!?

>>2694139
Phones don't do labor either.
Not even can openers.
Dare I say not even fleshlights do labor.

>>2694148
Yes, so whats the difference?

>>2694151
Not really sure what you're expecting. It's all constant capital.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant_and_variable_capital

>>2694145
Because it's a tool.
Maybe in 10 years it will be fully autonomous and this discussion will actually have some legs, but as it stands LLMs arent even close to even being able to mimic human speech flawlessly, let alone being able to sell their labour.

>>2694165
I mean, it mimicks speech just fine. It's the content of the speech that's the issue. Mimicking speech is the only thing it can be perfect at.

>>2694130
The way he frames this interaction is simply ridiculous on the face of it. It proves nothing, except that the repair process is already streamlined to the point repair workers post on reddit about it. His example of a "second expert opinion" is strictly equivalent to someone making a flowchart on their website, which would likely already exist if the average person had gas leak measuring equipment just lying around.

>>2694130
>[Welcome to hell.]
What exactly is so horrible about this?
>>2694136
>still parroting debunked LTV

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>>2694145
because machines are not humans, and they never will be. machines are objects of human society, not subjects of it

>>2694247
marx often makes the opposite point. if labour is objectified by entering into capital, then it is capital which acts as a subject that determines labour as an extension of itself.
>>2694145
marx's point is that labour-power must be sold as a commodity for it to possess "value". so to marx, a slave or animal cannot produce surplus "value" even if they produce a surplus product (otherwise employing them would be entirely irrational). a machine is then analogous to a slave, since it is not personified by the social relation of wage labour. if machines could sell their labour-power, they would then take the place of man.

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>>2694248
>marx often makes the opposite point. if labour is objectified by entering into capital, then it is capital which acts as a subject that determines labour as an extension of itself.
true, Capital itself has a will of its own and we are but slaves to it, including the bourgeoisie. but that doesn't really explain why workers create value and machines don't
>so to marx, a slave or animal cannot produce surplus "value" even if they produce a surplus product (otherwise employing them would be entirely irrational).
this is honestly one of my biggest gripes with Marx. to Marx slaves do not create value - value is merely transferred from the slave itself to the product through depreciation, not through the creation of fresh value. why then bother with slaves at all? you could create as much value employing slave catchers in other industries, without having to deal with all those unsightly slaves
>if machines could sell their labour-power, they would then take the place of man
big if

>capital has will?
What?

until llm's start demanding social product above the constant capital advanced to maintain them, then it's just automation, and automation is a good thing.

>>2694318 (me)
which of course assumes these things actually work as well and are advancing as quickly as the silicon valley propagandists would have you believe, which we should all be very doubtful on both counts.

>>2694307
>that doesn't really explain why workers create value and machines don't
value is a social construct and machines dont have society. thats the simplest way of understanding it. value only appears as a commodity, not anything else.
>to Marx slaves do not create value - value is merely transferred from the slave itself to the product through depreciation, not through the creation of fresh value. why then bother with slaves at all?
its certainly a contradiction in marx's system, since it implies that slavery is unprofitable, which we know is false. its doubly controversial since if slaves create surplus value, then this also existed before capitalism. if we would accept that slaves produce surplus value then we must also see that a machine equally pays for itself, since it is more productive than any slave is.

>>2694130
If AI was labor, it could choose.
AI is a tool, a machine that economizes labortime.

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>>2694237
>debunked LTV
every capitalist in a commodity production industry believes in LTV because it's how they make profit off the commodities.


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