Serious question. Capitalists hate it, the bourgeois hate it, idpol cucks hate it, the reactionaries hate it. Just because they want to carve their own niche within this pedophobic zeitgeist doesn’t make them consistent.
It should also be noted that all the current nominally communist countries have magic age lines below the Hollywood one of 18, as well as Stalin, Mao, Evo Morales, etc… got laid with JB (with Evo still being persecuted for having sex with someone below the bourgeois magic age line), as well as that the USSR didn’t have a formal age of consent even under Stalin.
I should also point out that being against bourgeois norms isn’t some trendy Tumblr fad, as the Spartacist League opposes the magic age line (a.k.a., the age of consent, which was literally invented by feudal nobility because they found extramarital sex among peasants too icky) and the communist party of Britain (CPB) used to oppose it as well.
On the top of that, since there’s no evidence that intergenerational intimacy is inherently harmful, therefore this isn’t a materialist question of harm as much as a bourgeois dialectics of moralisms after moralisms that only serve to attack working class men.
So again…
Why is youth-love bad?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
If 18 is arbitrary, what age do you propose as the limit then?
>(with Evo still being persecuted for having sex with someone below the bourgeois magic age line)
this was literally fake news manufactured by Bolivian rightards who were covering up for one of their own being a prostitute who got caught filming a sex tape with her driver (Jeanine Anez)
>>2700372Please end your life,
Relationships between children and adults are bad because children are stupid and the adults manipulate them, also why would you be attracted to anyone under 16 as an adults or even under 18
>>2700374Ideally none since there’s no conclusive evidence that age of consent laws have any effects on sex offending rates. So it would be best to just decide on a case by case basis, like we do with heterosexual couples anyway, with most cases going to civil courts. I mean, rape would be illegal with or without age of consent laws anyway. What their point beyond laying the foundations for shit like KOSA?
But I fail to see how the lack of objective standards for ages of consent across multiple jurisdictions would justify the kind of punitive regime reserved solely for working class men that violate bourgeois sexual mores. To put it in perspective: Despite having lower recidivism than theft even before the SOR, there is still no registry for thieves or murderers, whereas it exists for people whose crime ranges from something as benign as public nudity. Even if you dislike it, would that still merit both jail AND having to live as a second-class citizen in your own country for crimes that are no worst than murder?
But if I was forced to choose a limit, it would be menarche for females, but none for boys, with greater statutes of protection for girls (but not boys). And even then, the violations for it would be nothing more than a fine if the female below the magic age line was a willing partner.
>>2700377Libtard detected LOL
>pedophobic
>17
Behead ephebophoids and hebephoids. I sympathize only with pedofriends.
>>2700382How is what I said not true
>>2700372 From Engels:
>What, then, does promiscuous sexual intercourse really mean? It means the absence of prohibitions and restrictions which are or have been in force. We have already seen the barrier of jealousy go down. If there is one thing certain, it is that the feeling of jealousy develops relatively late. The same is true of the conception of incest. Not only were brother and sister originally man and wife; sexual intercourse between parents and children is still permitted among many peoples today. Bancroft (The Native Races of the Pacific States of North America, 1875, Vol. I), testifies to it among the Kadiaks on the Behring Straits, the Kadiaks near Alaska, and the Tinneh in the interior of British North America; Letourneau compiled reports of it among the Chippewa Indians, the Cucus in Chile, the Caribs, the Karens in Burma; to say nothing of the stories told by the old Greeks and Romans about the Parthians, Persians, Scythians, Huns, and so on. Before incest was invented – for incest is an invention, and a very valuable one, too – sexual intercourse between parents and children did not arouse any more repulsion than sexual intercourse between other persons of different generations, and that occurs today even in the most philistine countries without exciting any great horror; even “old maids” of over sixty, if they are rich enough, sometimes marry young men in their thirties. […]In a letter written in the spring of 1882, Marx expresses himself in the strongest terms about the complete misrepresentation of primitive times […] Marx replies: "In primitive times the sister was the wife, and that was moral."
>Frederick Engels. Origins of the Family, Private Property, and the State (1884).Sauce:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1884/origin-family/ch02.htm >>2700384Not even an argument. What you did was the equivalent of a CRT idpol-tard calling something “racist” and thinking that’s a solid debate strategy. Your moralisms aren’t based on logic. Keep that in mind you libtard.
It's statistically improbable that OP will ever be involved in a relationship with a 17 year old minus a month.
Why even debate such irrelevant nonsense unless you want to feel better jerking off to cp
>>2700397Only because op is unlikely to have sex at all, underage rape is normalized in the west otherwise
>>2700377>children are stupid and the adults manipulate themAdults are stupid and children manipulate them as well.
>>2700372I told several times our anglo puritans that under fully developed communism there will be no state, hence no laws, hence no age of consent . It broke their minds.
>>2700372>Capitalists hate it, the bourgeois hate it, idpol cucks hate it, the reactionaries hate it.Every one of these groups engages in paedophilia on an industrial scale lol
its bad because children need to be sufficiently nurtured and protected in order to grow into well-functioning adults, not exploited for sexual gain. literally every single adult who was diddled as a kid will have some kind of debilitating mental health issue which is guaranteed to fuck their lives up to varying extents.
What makes you think that a post-state society would self enforce some AoC rules themselves?
someone post that CPUSA propaganda piece where they glazed that NAMBLA guy as a gay rights hero hahaha. Fuck these sick freaks.
CPUSA leadership is infested with FBI and various other related groups, after a lot of interaction with them my calculations / observations assess they are basically an FBI ran honeypot and cointelpro network at this point; this is the case with a lot of leftist and liberal organizations that inherently function as COIN for the state.
>>2700397It is relevant considering how much of the current reactionary streak is based around treating child rape as this spectacular event. Remember how back in 2021 the American right went on panic mode over LGBTQ+ acceptance lessons in schools with the notion that trans people are all child molesters? Same goes with the European right which uses the spook of child molestation as part of their agitprop against non-white immigrants. That, combined with how pedophobia is used to push for the coming surveillance state (think "online grumers are coming for ya keeds, so better ban VPNs and implement age ID" or "trans Discord groomers want to turn your keeds trans, so better allow the pigs to break encryption") makes it more relevant than you give credit for.
Or do you think that your bigotry towards the minor-attracted people justifies the implementation of a police state in the same way that chuds are calling for a police state over Charlie Kirk memes?
>>2700400>underage rape is normalized in the west otherwise[citation needed]
>>2700455LOL that's not true at all. If you're going to make something illegal, of course the people who engage in it will be to some degree anti-social or prone to rule-breaking th way under-21s who drink in the US are often the ones that couldn't care less about adhering to social norms. It's a self-selection process.
I should also point out that even then, that wouldn't justify the extremely carceral and cruel and unusual punishment for adults whose only crime is having willing sex or even romance with a person below the magic age line.
I swear you liberals are just as theocratic as the average fundie ROFL
>>2700455>literally every single adult who was diddled as a kid will have some kind of debilitating mental health issueHighly doubt it. If we are talking about pre-pubertal kids, I think you would be right. If we are talking about teenage girls, then absolutely not. It was well known in my high school that teenage girls would never date guys in their own grade, and would almost always date several grades above, or men in their 20s or 30s. They were actively seeking out older men.
>>2700477>the minor-attracted peoplekys
>>2700483>muh libruuuuuullllskiddy fuckers go straight to the gulags you jewish nigger
>>2700488They were being preyed on, by the blue blazes there's reactionary chomos here? The new methods and concepts of the gulag cant arrive soon enough, let me tell you.
>>2700492If they were being preyed on, then why were they getting illegal IDs to go to night clubs and drink? Makes no sense. And if they are ignoring peers from their own grade, it's cause they get off on dating someone more "mature" and established than people their own age. To attribute it totally to exploitation by the older person is a distortion, especially if they are sleeping with multiple older people it's just a preference.
>>2700494Also, this isn't to say that I endorse the practice. A lot of the rise of incels actually has to do with this distortion too, where females write off their male peers as "immature", and then proceed to date older men, which then perpetuates a cycle whereby males are shut out of socializing with females.
>>2700490>>2700491
>Make reasonable argument>Get welcomed with encouragement for suicide and racial slursI think you chuds are in the wrong site. Y'all should go back to 4chan's /pol/, where you belong.
Sigh, I guess it's true that scratching a liberal, you get a nazi.
>>2700495>Also, this isn't to say that I endorse the practice. A lot of the rise of incels actually has to do with this distortion too,Not at all. i was in school 20 years ago and this was still the case.
>>2700381>>2700372Everything you said is true but the mods can't handle the truth.
>>2700523Maybe it took some time for that to occur? A slow burn if sorts.
Capitalists don't hate it, the bourgeoisie doesn't hate it, and reactionaries love it.
>>2700517shut up. you are clearly straw manning. to say that there is a particular section of adults that is minor chasing and calling them "minor attracted persons" as if they are some type of neurodivergent group is some hideous mental illness on your part, or deliberate muddying of the waters. take your loli shit to another site, because that actually belongs on /pol/.
>>2700523I was in school at that time too, it was just before the internet was widespread and the incel subculture arose, but incels already existed before the subculture, the internet is just the first time crystallized it into a massive grievance group you see today. before that incels were atomized and persecuted losers who were never in a position to find a collective voice by their very position in the social hierarchy of grade school.
>>2700494also, all of this is to say that teenage women are pubertal, and if you are pubertal you are horny and will sleep with people. Just like younger boys will watch adult porn and jerk off to adult women, so teenage women will also be attracted to older teenagers and adults. The idea that because they are intellectually and emotionally immature, therefore they are not ready for sex, and any sex they have will somehow impede their development and cause permanent trauma, is a bit of an odd argument and I believe is simply just the post-facto justification of the current taboo that arose after age of consent laws were passed and internalized by society at large. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it only just tells us that adults have internalized the rules of society, and that those adults who are against it are usually like
>>2700483 says prone to anti-social behavior. However, it is also just as plausible that the waters are muddied by anyone who has an attraction to younger women, because the spectrum of women from roughly 16- 22 can look very similar physically (though mentally the latter is more developed than the former… not by much admittedly, it is only at 25 I would argue that you have the development of an adult brain, and even then the degree of "adult brain" really begins to come together in the early 30s).
>>2700799In other words, sexual libido and development far, far precedes mental development, it is simply a awkward biological fact that societies handle in a variety of ways. I do not think there is one "correct" way to solve it. Each way of attempting to regulate it comes with its own benefits and downsides. Imposing an age of consent at 18 will have its own pros and cons, and lowering it will also have its own.
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