I never understood the puppy-eyed look American and European leftoids and even self-proclaimed marxists do with Latin America. It is just a bunch of bourgeois states with western institutions, languages and religion. Just because it is mostly filled-up with both white and ambiguously white people doesn't make it anymore "non-western" than Kenya is.
Are we supposed to ignore the fact that the region's languages (French, Spanish, and Portuguese) owe itself to Iberian and French imperialism which included both settler colonialism and the genocides and democides of the indigenous peoples of the Americas, or are we supposed to gloss over it because the perps weren't Anglos?
I mean, some of the shit supposedly "leftist" idpol-tarded Latinx race hustlers come up with to hate on Anglos is just hilarious. Like "linguistic colonialism"? That’s rich coming from them, given that Latin America as a whole wouldn’t even be a thing without Spanish and Portuguese colonialism. That the vast majority of people there speaks Spanish is a legacy of that. For language? No dog in the fight (except that there's no reason why the X can't be adopted, or the language be made more gender-neutral) but it does illustrate how deep the average Latinx leftoid, chicano or not, is into idpol, to the point that it seeps into their geopolitics. Should we surprised that much historical amnesia and inferiority complex coming from a people whose ancestors were the rape babies of the conquistadores and their squaw captives? I think not.
Inb4 "Dats not thru gringo. Hey was singing kumbaya n shieet in peace before Murica ruined it".
Machismo and femocide? Two problems for which we "gringos" have to look over lest we become rayciss against the poor and hapless "brown" criollos. After all, performative feminism means that LatAm doesn't have an issue with women's rights, homophobia, etc… and if you say otherwise then it's "legenda negra" and that marks you as an American imperialist even if you're just applying the same standards to America as the rest of the Americas.
Doesn't matter that Latin American culture enables prostitution, the commodification of sexuality, sexual hierarchies, CSA, etc… pointing those out makes you "imperialist" and hence le bad guy. Because, as we'll soon learn, everything bad that happens in Latin America, be it a white man killing a black man, some guy deciding to beat his wife out of the blue, etc… is all America's fault, for blaming the USA for LatAm's ills has been the common leftist narrative in the region since forever.
Moving on from gender relations, who can forget the performative anti-racism (be it Brazil's Racial Democracy dogma, or HispanicoAmerica's Hispanidad) that serves to mask a racism deeper than that of America?
Whether it's Brazil and Panama maintaining the ban on black immigrants for far longer than America did, or the various genocides that have occurred then and now across the region that led to the extinctions of countless peoples, the current racist hierarchy that maintains the whites as the top elite of every Latin American country (a.k.a., white supremacy) to the point that skin color is highly predictive for class status, hate speech laws silly leading to racism against non-whites being normalised in ways that wouldn't pass in America (the 2022 Los Angeles City Council scandal is a microcosm of how Latinx in the USA feel about African Americans and other non-whites not like them), every societal norm favoring European ideals over that of the indigenous or the African in spite of claims of mestizaje, etc… On and on, LatAm isn't any better on race relations than America in spite what both the Latinx race hustlers and the American leftists would like you to believe, and might actually be worse depending on the country.
And the economic side isn't any better. Whether it's the abysmal status of leftist parties there in the region after the first pink tide, political repression, common tendencies towards dictatorships due to the region's historical volatility, HUGE Catholic Church influence to the extent that atheism there is a taboo outside of Chile, the overall corruption and wealth inequality endemic to the region which is tied to race, or domestic collaboration with the America empire that includes the criollos (LatAm's brahmins, cognitive elite and foundation for the region's intelligentsia) selling out to the empire willingly, natural resources being extracted at the expense of the environment with the profits serving the white elites while the costs are externalised to the blacks, ambiguously white, and indigenous peoples… Shit ain't looking great, I'll tell you that.
All in all, your average Latin American country is less of a nation-state (barring Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay) and more of a colony run by white people with a penchant for internal imperialism. Essentially, pre-1994 South Africa but with a more fluid conception of race, and lacking de jure racial segregation.
Point being: It's time for leftists to realise that Latin America is a part of the west, not apart of, and that alongside the EU and Japan it's a co-partner with the USA in the imperialist war machine plaguing the world. Peace.
Interesting stuff OP, but I think you forgot to mention some details:
- The “mejorar la raza” meme that is so prevalent there, which pretty much demolishes the notion that LatAm is some post-racial paradise
- The fact that Latinx isn’t some burger-shitlib project, as much as a Latino project to the point that the first mention of Latinx comes from a Puerto Rican libfem mag:
https://people.wku.edu/inma.pertusa/encuentros/FemUn/newsletters/FemUn_Fall2004.pdf- You forgot to mention Quebec which follows a line of colonisation more common with that of Argentina but with the caveat of having the same principle of laicity as France and being broadly atheistic.
With that said, I think that both Latino and European leftists have this uncanny inability to be self-critical leading to these unironic notions that every ill in their region is due to Amerikkka and that those would be paradises if America didn’t exist. It’s really a victim mentality plus capeshit-level self-delusion of grandeur where they self-infantilise themselves into victimhood without backing it up with material analysis. It’s really weird, but I’m not sure why.
My guess is that the rampant classism and bourgeois character of Latin-American and European society makes them unable to engage in self-introspection the way American leftists can due to a better tradition of healthy debate, self-criticism and general relatively egalitarian attitudes in American society compared to its European and Latin-American counterparts.
>imperialism is when people are bigots
Just last month, the USA invaded a LatAm country to kidnap its president because he wouldn't bend over to the US. This has got to be the most stupid thing I've read in 2026, and we're still in February.
Fucking anticampists, man.
>>2704293By doing the whole “America bad” routine to every critique of le Latinidad, you’re just proving OP’s point.
Just because that dumb mestizo of Maduro was kidnapped doesn’t invalidate OP’s points with regards to how Latin American leftoids dishonestly portray a noble savage-type infantilised image of contemporary Latin America as a dindu nuffinz despite the fact that it commits both internal and external imperialism.
Defending partners-in-crime of the GAE doesn’t make your case justice solely because of an exception to the rule.
"America bad" is just a mantra to explain away why they live in sewage in a way that lets them forego taking collective responsibility.
America bad is the real truth of this world, it's something all people across the world, not infected with the amerinoid mindvirus that is american culture themselves, immediately understand, know and feel in their bones. You could meet the most isolated inuit in the arctic, spend 15 weeks tracking down uncontacted tribes in the amazon, swim to sentinel island and tell them "America bad" and they would nod their heads in agreement, perhaps even be a little perplexed as to why you would even say such a plainly true and obvious thing, like telling them fire is hot or the sky is blue.
>>2704359Looks like ICE missed one. Oof, too bad. Better luck next time yer idpol tard
Shitty thread. I'm not aware of any Latin American Marxist who glosses over all these issues. Who is this directed at exactly?
>>2704369Incomprehensible response, Im sorry my simple statement of fact dazzled you so anon
>>2704372Its literally in the first sentence of ops post, you cannot be this brain dead
>>2704251>HUGE Catholic Church influence to the extent that atheism there is a taboo outside of Chile,> is less of a nation-state (barring Chile, Argentina, and Paraguay) just say you're a faggot fromo cono sur
>>2704251Okay, gimme my imperial superprofits then.
>ignore local elites
Who tf did that that a whole part of the narative
The colombian army shot the workers because united fruit bought the goverment
The cannea strike was violently repressed because the mexican elite saw the USA as an ally agaisnt the workers
The chilean army killwd allende because rich people would rather give up their nations sovereignty than their wealth.
>>2704399The first sentence of OP's post is made up nonsense. Again, you won't find any Marxist analysis of Latin America that doesn't address these things.
All based and true. LatinXmutts are literally just whiteoids, but browner and in time they'll join their North AmeriKKKan, Euroid and Nipland brethen in GULAGs, while the region is given to Natives, Africans, Chinese and Indians. Can't wait.
Sure but they’re not the ones with 800 military bases all over the world and a deathgrip on the world financial system, in that context your anger isn’t just silly, it’s an endorsement of anglo NATO domination
I feel like people would post way less stupid shit if you punished stupidity with state mandated rape camps
>>2704292>>- The fact that Latinx isn’t some burger-shitlib project, as much as a Latino project to the point that the first mention of Latinx comes from a Puerto Rican libfem mag:But Puerto Ricans are Americans.
>>2704372It's gaslighting
>>2704553They’re literally an occupied colony without the right to influence US politics
>>2704571Yh, because the average Puerto Rican would rather be a US territory than be a US state just to pay taxes and having to choose between the two sides of the uniparty. Get real bro
>>2704541 Neither do Germany, Italy, Ireland, the UK, France, Denmark, Poland, Canada, and Switzerland. Doesn’t mean that they’re victims of US imperialism.
But still, I love how all you simps have shown is that communists have no reason to support any Latinx country other than Cuba.
Time to grow up, this ain’t the seventies anymore. The pink wave has already died out.
>>2704582Average rican wants to be a state, I asked my grandma and she said that's what everyone back on the island says
>>2704547What’s stupid is pretending that Latinx aren’t just yuropoids but tanned.
What’s funny about this whole pretense of LatAm being dindu nuffinz and “non-western” is that, socdem and performative anti-imperial chauvinism aside, the average Latinx in the states was a white maximalist before the minority grants that came with the civil rights package led them to seek minority status, and that’s how “Latino” as a POC identity and federal category was born. Even honest Latinx admit it ffs:
https://www.aei.org/research-products/speech/the-invention-of-hispanics-and-the-reinvention-of-america/Ofc, there’s more pertaining to this reactionary “la raza”-type race-hustling leftists are all-too-well accustomed to accommodating sadly for “campism”. See:
https://forgottenlatinohistory.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-sum-and-substance-of-white-race.html?m=1 >>2704608>What’s stupid is pretending that Latinx aren’t just yuropoids but tanned.Not even going to read the rest of your post.
>>2704610Because you’re too dogmatic to question your “noble savage”-type assumptions pertaining to Latinxtopia
You’ve got psy-opped by Latinx race-hustlers. Wake up bro.
>>2704591Because the yanks physically liquidated the vast majority of PR nationalists in the 50s
>>2704293so much this, these retards have 0 idea what imperialism is for marxists
>>2704306retard
>>2704635You've got no argument, hence why ad hominem are all you've got. Fact is, OP is right: Latin America is western and, far from being the periphery, is core part of the American empire much like the EU and Japan are. There's no way around it honestly.
If you're going to simp for any Latinx country, you should simp for Cuba. That is, if you're an actual communist as opposed to just being a mill-of-the-run pan-leftist shitlib or third-wordlist tankie who would support a state like Israel if it was thoroughly anti-American.
Seriously, how are y'all Latinx-suckers any different than chuds if all it takes for any country (no matter how capitalist or reactionary) to gain your support is vague socdem disguised as "communism" and performative anti-American jingoistic rhetoric?
I'm uruguayan and I know I'm the enemy of the world, there is no way to stop being a yankee colony, my country was literally made up by the british to fuck with the region.
So pan latin american socialist union with no white elites because no elites?
>>2704647Name a third world country that gets exploited by a latam country or corporations
Honkies really desperate for another scapegoat
Is this a new psyop to justify epsteinland taking control of "their" hemisphere?
>>2704251Focusing on the global hegemonic power that has laid claim to the Americas since its very founding is perfectly valid.
>um sweaty just ignore the most powerful military in the world that's constantly interfering in our politics and economies>they've been embargoing you for decades? git gud>they just invaded your country and took away your leader? check your privilege >>2704750Unironically yes. No serious anti-Imperialst would sit there and essentially dismiss any country in Latin America as just inevitable and totally willing pawns of the USA.
The far left is absolutely infested with noj-what racists. This guus hatred of anything European, whether it's an institution like electoral democracy or just the population being part white, os a dead give away. No actual leftist would hate all things Europeam lile this since leftism is itself European, which is your clue that this guy isnt actually left wing.
>>2704750Doesn’t answer OP’s point on how LatAm is an imperialist bloc the way the EU and Japan are.
That’s why I, a communist, can’t bring myself to endorse any other Latinxland apart from Cuba. Campism is how you get shit like “we must give phull sapport to capitalist Russia to defeat capitalist Ukraine” and “we must give phull sapport to Serbian reactionaries who want to colonise Bosnia and ethnically cleanse Bosniaks to own Amerikkka.”
LatAm being anti-imperialist is just a fairy tale cooked up by Latinx reactionaries and western woketards to hide the fact that LatAm is both as western and imperialist as USA. Time to wake the fuck up morons.
This kind of argument is literally the left wing version of the Falun Gong scam. Just as the Falun Gong doesnt hate communists because theyre communist but because communism is European, ultra third worldists like OP dont hate America because theyre anti capitalist, they hate America because they hate all things European. They secretly hate all of you because socialism is European, but youre a useful idiot if they can get you to side with them in the mean time.
>>2704748There’s plenty of imperialism the mestizo, castizo and criollo classes do inside their region that leftists oh so like to ignore because they just reflexively hate America.
The funniest part? They’ll defend Spanish and Portuguese colonialism because it’s progressive, but apparently American doing a fraction of what the Iberian empires did but in LatAm is a big no-no to the same wannabe-materialist moralisers.
As for LatAm external imperialism, the non-Latinx part of the Caribbeans and the USA are good examples, especially considering how Florida is now a financial centre for Latinx’s financial world.
But of course it’s just “imperialism” the way US pushing culture war slop on Europe while the European tethers manage to lobby their interests to America (as is the case of Ukraine) is both sides of the Atlantic doing imperialism to each other.
As such, LatAm isn’t even in the periphery, but core part and parcel of the western globalist order of freedom/human rights/democracy the way Japan and the EU are. Facts not feelings amigo. Have a nice one dude ;)
>>2704761OP here. Not sure what you’re blubbering. I know I hurt the sacred cow of the “anti-imperialist Latinx” that hasn’t been true since the 1970s, but nowhere did I say “Yurop bad”, I was merely going against the NPC brainrot of “LatAm good” noble-savage type third-wordlist campists love to dogmatically believe in, by pointing out that Latin America is just the duskier version of the EU.
So y’know, you’ve got to be retarded to think any Latinx country other than Cuba is worth simping for. This isn’t the 70s anymore, grow up boi.
The average lat am white is whiter than the lightest italian, spaniard or greek swarthoid. You gringos sure got a stick up your ass.
>>2704762Bro you’re bad at this argument, if you’re gonna critique Latam and especially Southam as imperialist to each other (despite having the fewest inter nation state wars of any region in the past 200 years) at least bring up shit like Bolivia having its coastline taken by Chile or 97% of Paraguayan men die to the Triple Alliance.
>>2704769Not true, also brown and black and white are all beautiful
>>2704771The current president of chile is white and people joke saying exports dont count but newsflash dumbo exports are common.
>>2704772Argentina and Chile weren’t liberated by Bolivar, that’s probably part of why
>>2704771Anon, the Latinx you replied to is just the typical Latinx in that they are both as chauvinistic as the average “gringo” they claim to hate sans the self-awareness the average burger has, whilst having a bizarre obsession with whiteness. I might recommend you to look up “mejorar la raza”. It’s really instructive about their mentality.
>>2704776I thought that was only a thing in mexico
>>2704776No just stating the facts. What you consider fidel castro or che guevarra hue white. Get over yourself.
>>2704781And next you'll try to dupe others here that Evo Morales and the king of Morocco are white as well.
I'll never understand this complex you Latinx have with whiteness whilst simultaneously going over rants over how proud y'all are of your "mixed" heritage. Absolute schizo.
Then again, I'd do the same if I was a Consquistadores' rape baby.
>>2704485the latam left is literally the same as this, guys like lula and boric are 90% the same
>>2704809And Jacobo Arbenz was basically trying to be FDR, and his overthrow led to a genocide so I wouldn’t be too quick to celebrate the downfall of either Lula or Boric
>>2704817they both deserve to rot in gulags
>>2704820Even if what comes after them is the deaths of millions of the poorest in both places?
>>2704809How are they same?
>>2704821the entire region will be unhabitable in less than 50 years because of comprador neoliberals like them
>>2704822in the same way democrats and republicans are the same
i do give lula credit for at least locking up bolsonaro tho, it was pretty funny, good spectacle
>>2704821So be it. Maybe they need to learn about the necessity of sovereignty the hard way.
>>2704770Imperialism isnt when war happens
But i know you are giving a wrong rebutal on purpose
Fact is, no latam country is exploiting anyone
outside their region, no matter how many culture war bs you can come up with
>>2704359post wallsocket if not your lowkirkuinenly a an antisocial crakkker-american lmao
>>2704756Another purpusefully wrong counterargument
No, "leftism" isnt european, anti-capitalism isnt european, capitalism is
>>2704864Bolivia’s repeated loss of land wasn’t just for the land’s sake, they already started off at a disadvantage being the poorest of all spanish speaking nations (most of the population being both indigenous and mountainous plays a big part here), a position made infinitely worse by being landlocked, Evo and Arce both campaigned on Chile giving the Bolivian coast back. The Chaco war was very much a war over oil.
>>2704860>travels to amazon(now a savanna undergoing desertification)>tells some random dispossessed native and a farmhand they deserve this cuz muh sovereigntyThis is what happens when you only care about the superstructure and moralism lmao
>>2704251>dissident groups>extractuvismCommunists don't use these words, liberal. Go back to brunch with your small business owner friends.
You don't make a single materialist point. Latin America isn't imperialist because it's imperialized. The nature of economic relations it's in siphons value from the continent and that's been the case as long as it existed.
Every single country has "problematic" culture and it will for 200 years more, but you'll whine about socialist construction 10 years in and beg to go back to capitalism because you imagined something completely different and impossible. That's why you whine about actual socialist projects.
>there's no reason why the X can't be adopted, or the language be made more gender-neutralBecause that's not how the language works, you moron. No sane person who speaks a gendered language thinks it means shit about actual gender relations. Mutilating a language because of your terminal angloid liberal brain is just not happening. For all the whining about diverse cultures you don't seem to understand that different people groups may not care about your bullshit.
>Point being: It's time for leftists to realise that Latin America is a part of the west, not apart of, and that alongside the EU and Japan it's a co-partner with the USA in the imperialist war machine plaguing the world. Peace.1. How many Latin American countries invaded China and took part in the treaty port system?
2. How many Latin American countries invaded the Soviet Union during the civil war?
3. How many Latin American countries have international corporations that extract value globally at scale?
4. How many Latin American countries have invaded Korea or Vietnam?
5. How many Latin American countries gave military aid to Ukraine?
6. How many Latin American countries gave military aid to Israel?
Read a book please.
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