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Without him, UKKKraine and LGBT EU Neoliberalism would fully declare war on Russia. Vote for Viktor Orban without him, Russia would deal with EU invasion of Russia.

Pic related is why you should vote for him and I encourage every Hungarians do that.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

This is just Orban using his favorite negotiating tactic with the EU where he wants to be bribed with a few billion euro slush funds before he allows the aid to go through anyways. Orban is not at all opposed to a Ukrainian victory against Russia he just seeks to use the situation for his benefit to milk as much as he can out of everyone.

>>2706783
Any opposition to the banderites is good opposition

>a tax rate policy where the richer you are, the lower your tax rates are
>lowest corperate tax rate in the EU
https://feps-europe.eu/orbans-centaur-state/
>family first policies
>baby loans
https://abouthungary.hu/blog/hungarys-family-policy-a-future-built-on-families?sharetype=link
>car purchase subsidies with a focus on SUVS and minivans
https://www.elfac.org/hungary-prime-minister-viktor-orban-announced-a-seven-point-family-protection-action-plan/?sharetype=link
>preserving "Christian culture" and "ethnic hegemony"
>LGBT families excluded from benefits by design through technitalities in the legal definition of marriage.
>benefits requiring employment history, disproportionately excluding minorities
>nationalist
>neoliberal

Reactionaries love to hi-jack multipolarist language, as though their epsteinite ghoul is somehow meaningfully opposed to the imperial core.

>>2706808
oh no, family first policies, the horror
agree with the rest of your post though plus he's a zionazi

>>2706783
>plz vooot
>for my pet reactionary because he want eu gibs and cheap gas before helping ukraine
fuck off back to pol retard your kind aint welcome here

>>2706808
Similar like Putin policy and its based, Russian girls needs to breed more at least 5 children and I support Othrodox traditional values unlike degenerate westoids with LGBT for UKKKraine flags. Stalin did the same btw and it was smart idea for banning abortions and repopulate Soviet Union.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2706854
abortions don't have a lot to do with birthrate. ppr had legal and widely available abortion for most of its existence yet a higher birthrate than the rsfsr. fuck off with that reactionary bullshit

>>2706854
>My epsteinite is based because his policies are similar to another epsteinite I like.

>>2706808
Orbán wants national capitalism, he created his own businessmen that back him and depend on him. This is preferable to Western capitalism, because even if they still exploit you, at least their investments are tied up in their own country and have no interest in turning them into dust in a war with Russia or any other country.

>a tax rate policy where the richer you are, the lower your tax rates are

Progressive income tax has nothing to with socialism if it groups skilled workers and actual big capitalists into the same group (just as bourgeois sociologists would want it). This is how it works usually, including under governments preceding Fidesz.

>>family first policies

>baby loans
Funded by special taxes on banks. Not a bad thing per se.

>car purchase subsidies with a focus on SUVS and minivans

That's like all new cars. The average Hungarian can't afford a new car anyways and doesn't really need to when it's so easy to import used cars from Western Europe.

>preserving "Christian culture" and "ethnic hegemony"

>LGBT families excluded from benefits by design through technitalities in the legal definition of marriage.
Who cares? If it's popular, a politician will say it. Nothing to do with socialism.

>benefits requiring employment history, disproportionately excluding minorities

I see, this bit is about gypsies. First of all as a foreigner you need to understand that almost every Hungarian hates gypsies and almost every gypsy votes for Fidesz. Only a liberal activist (like the author of the first article who is member of a party that peddles identity politics to the urban youth, their only identifiable policy being the legalization of marijuana) would (pretend) not (to) know this in Hungary.

When privatization created massive unemployment, gypsies came to be the people that primarily constituted the newly created lumpenproletariat. Fidesz actually expanded benefits under the guise of public work programmes, which in some cases literally meant digging holes and filling them back (in exchange for votes which makes liberals mad). They also placed special taxes on non-productive corporations in banking, energy, telecommunication, the media, retail and insurance while giving subsidies to productive investment, fitting into the already existing trend of Western European corporations outsourcing production to Eastern Europe. Is this exploitative? Yes. Does this meaningfully increase the sovereignty of Hungary? Obviously no. But they identified a positive trend, stuck with it and mobilized the people who benefited from it to secure votes. Under the current government it was the lowest 10% which saw the largest proportional increase in income, even bigger than the richest 10%.

Orbán is an extremely competent manager of capitalism who doesn't just think in terms of election cycles or short-term profit and won't bankrupt his own nation just because this is what Western finance capital desires at the moment and he is independent enough to be able to pick and choose between which faction of capital from which nation to support.

He won't be removed anytime soon because he knows what workers are like and how to talk to them. Hungary has the most arrogant petit-bourgeois and petit-bourgeois-minded workers (PMCs) in Eastern Europe and when they see that Orbán doesn't pander to them and even intentionally antagonizes them (not the heckin' LGBTerinos!!!!), they go mad and support whatever is against him. Workers in turn see this and opt to support Fidesz. It's always like this. NGOs start talking about how poor gypsies are, and the liberal commentariat answers "I fucking hate gypsies they all vote for Fidesz". Opposition politicians promise that they will increase funding this or that public service (without explaining how will they achieve this in an economy that is extremely dependent on foreign countries), and then one of their arch-neoliberal advisors crawls out of a hole and says that "We. Should. Privatize. EVERYTHING.". This is when Fidesz points to one of their few social programmes like subsidized electricity so that can claim that they are against "Western capital".

The groups that benefit from Fidesz hate Fidesz so much that the current liberal opposition is actually made up of former members of Fidesz who were kicked out because they were too pro-Western or too corrupt. The only people who seem to care about workers in this country are in Fidesz or in the far-right opposition, unfortunately. Even hoping that Fidesz will slowly reform itself is more probable than the liberal opposition getting anything done at all. In fact anything good about Fidesz comes from them coopting the actually anti-capitalist far-right. That is probably where their (very Hudsonian) policy of taxing natural monopolies comes from.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2706783
>LGBT
this is how I know it's bait

>>2706987
He posts the same bait thread constantly and it stays up for days on end, but make a thread strawmanning leftcoms and it will be deleted or bumplimited neae instantly

>>2706784
>milking the UE
Based multipolarista, everything that weakens the UE is based

Anyone who thinks LGBT is inherently anti family never had a cool gay uncle or aunt

someone forgot there's no nazis in the Verkhovna Rada xD

>>2707006
Any couple can have kids. Straight or not.

>>2706784
>when your country is supposed to get the same gas/oil from the USA at the double of the price as opposed to fucking Russian gas whose delivery and infrastructure was laid down during Soviet times
<Orban is an [insert term]
Bruh. Hungarians are not willing to pay double for their fucking heating bills and car fuel.

Get fucking real, you eternal Goblin.

>>2706808
The FACT of multipolarity has no bearing on cultural policies, for your information.

>>2707013
Something something solidarity surrogacy something something adoption

>>2707006
Gomosexualtiy is only present in 5% of the population (not counting bisexuals since 90% are with the opposite gender)
>>2707013
Gay partner less to begin with

>>2707022
If abortions are banned and you don't want a child, hold it up for adoption so other childless couples with a dream of having kids can have their dreams fullfilled.
I'm not one of those Chagos Poster robots doe

>>2706986
Ultimately what Westernoids don't understand regarding ex-soc countries is this. You have three options:
>1) primitive accumulation for the comprador class
>2) primitive accumulation for the national bourgeoisie
>3) re-socialization through revolution

Fidesz's opponent is 1), Orbán is 2), and no real 3) is available at the moment.

Yes, 2) is more progressive (in the Marxist sense) than 1), even tho 1) might offer more (culturally) "progressive" gibs.

That's it, basically.

>>2707029
In Hungary universal healthcare covers abortions. I have no idea why you'd post such dribble here.

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>>2707024
That matters why?

>>2707020
There is no reason for multipolarism to need fascist epstein islanders to carry it out. If China can do multipolarism without being some nukeworthy abrahamist think tank comprimized ancap shithole then that should be the standard.

If we forgive bourgoise superstructure purely on the basis of giving minor friction to the imperial core, we'll just end up with another imperial core down the line. Bourgoise base and superstructure maintain and shape each other, and letting one exist will allow the other to respawn.

>>2707039
mind you, EU transfers for Hungary has been halted for like the last 4 years, lol

the EU is an economic extortion racket benefiting the imperial core and sucking on the blood of the periphery.

>>2707054
>There is no reason for multipolarism to need
Multipolarism does not "need". It is an established fact. This is the aspect that blows your ass the most.

>If China can do multipolarism

China doesn't "do" multipolarism, instead, it is a part of it.

You are terminally burger-brained and I refuse to read your post further. Fuck you for polluting this space with your ignorant takes, I hope you die.

Bye

>>2706784
Orban is to NATO what Ceaușescu was to the Warsaw Pact. Also nobody understands Hungarian, it's an impenetrable language, it might not even be a real language, they made it up for a fantasy book and film franchise.

>>2707054
>There is no reason for multipolarism to need fascist epstein islanders to carry it out.
Orban was in the Epstein files? Prove it.

Stopped reading here, btw.

Any European who opposes Russia is bad
Any European who supports Russia is good

Whether Russia is good or bad is a moot point
Russia serves as a litmus test for the European


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